Court of Master Sommeliers Expels 6 Members after Sexual Misconduct Investigation

[blarmston]

This .

Too many people out there just posting and then hiding behind their keyboard.

[Philip_G]

Wow … much more discretion in posting is needed. Where are the admins? Distracted by NewbiePalooza?

Blocked long ago but unfortunately people quoting trash like that it still shows up

[Matt_K1]

Just because you know a lot about wine does not mean you are a balanced human being.

Can we get this emblazoned on the masthead of WineBerzerkers?

Words to live by

[JohnP]

The Court of Master Sommeliers Is Expelling Six Members. Is It Enough?

[John_Danza]

Did I misunderstand something? I thought Victor wasn’t making a joke but was actually describing (at least in part) what happened and why these people were expelled from the organization.

Precisely. Some people I guess are just waiting for an opportunity to be offended.

[Rich_Brown]

Did I misunderstand something? I thought Victor wasn’t making a joke but was actually describing (at least in part) what happened and why these people were expelled from the organization.

Precisely. Some people I guess are just waiting for an opportunity to be offended.

Come on man. Victor tries to make everything into a joke, so you can’t blame peeps for assuming the same with this comment.

Thst said, I do apologize for my post Victor, since I defintiley misread what you were saying.

[Victor_Hong]

Did I misunderstand something? I thought Victor wasn’t making a joke but was actually describing (at least in part) what happened and why these people were expelled from the organization.

Precisely. Some people I guess are just waiting for an opportunity to be offended.

Come on man. Victor tries to make everything into a joke, so you can’t blame peeps for assuming the same with this comment.

Thst said, I do apologize for my post Victor, since I defintiley misread what you were saying.

No offense taken. Thank you.

[K.C0LBURN]

Just because you know a lot about wine does not mean you are a balanced human being. Tragic, but all too common in any industry where people are famous and powerful and exploit that power. Very sad indeed but perhaps a much needed corrective action that will hopefully lead to a change in the restaurant culture.

Agreed.

It is sad / depressing but I knew one of the 6 who were expelled. It was about 15 years ago but I have quite a lot dealings and interaction with him. He seemed like a nice guy; just goes to show that you can never really know someone. I had no idea that any of this crap was going down. I am totally appalled by the whole thing.

Men who are abusers rarely prey on their victims where they can be seen. They look for opportunities to do so unobserved.

I’m always resigned whenever I hear from male friends that “he seemed like a nice guy.”

Dude? You’re a dude. You’re literally not the target demographic of misogynist sexual harassment. Don’t be surprised that you’ve never seen it.

[brodie_thomson]

Just because you know a lot about wine does not mean you are a balanced human being. Tragic, but all too common in any industry where people are famous and powerful and exploit that power. Very sad indeed but perhaps a much needed corrective action that will hopefully lead to a change in the restaurant culture.

Agreed.

It is sad / depressing but I knew one of the 6 who were expelled. It was about 15 years ago but I have quite a lot dealings and interaction with him. He seemed like a nice guy; just goes to show that you can never really know someone. I had no idea that any of this crap was going down. I am totally appalled by the whole thing.

Men who are abusers rarely prey on their victims where they can be seen. They look for opportunities to do so unobserved.

I’m always resigned whenever I hear from male friends that “he seemed like a nice guy.”

Dude? You’re a dude. You’re literally not the target demographic of misogynist sexual harassment. Don’t be surprised that you’ve never seen it.

OK - help me out here. What should I have said that be have been more appropriate / acceptable? Of course I am aware that I don’t get to experience it 1st hand as a male. But that does not mean I lack empathy to those who do. My partner of 34 years has experienced it, my nieces have experienced it and I have female friends who have experienced it. I see it thru the volunteer work I do.

My intention was simply to express the horror of finding out someone I knew was doing this. I am always surprised when I find out that people I know have done bad (or worse) things.

I would value your guidance on helping me understand why my comments are (seemingly) offensive to you.

Thanks

Brodie

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

Did I misunderstand something? I thought Victor wasn’t making a joke but was actually describing (at least in part) what happened and why these people were expelled from the organization.

You have it exactly right.

[JBrochu]

Agreed.

It is sad / depressing but I knew one of the 6 who were expelled. It was about 15 years ago but I have quite a lot dealings and interaction with him. He seemed like a nice guy; just goes to show that you can never really know someone. I had no idea that any of this crap was going down. I am totally appalled by the whole thing.

Men who are abusers rarely prey on their victims where they can be seen. They look for opportunities to do so unobserved.

I’m always resigned whenever I hear from male friends that “he seemed like a nice guy.”

Dude? You’re a dude. You’re literally not the target demographic of misogynist sexual harassment. Don’t be surprised that you’ve never seen it.

OK - help me out here. What should I have said that be have been more appropriate / acceptable? Of course I am aware that I don’t get to experience it 1st hand as a male. But that does not mean I lack empathy to those who do. My partner of 34 years has experienced it, my nieces have experienced it and I have female friends who have experienced it. I see it thru the volunteer work I do.

My intention was simply to express the horror of finding out someone I knew was doing this. I am always surprised when I find out that people I know have done bad (or worse) things.

I would value your guidance on helping me understand why my comments are (seemingly) offensive to you.

Thanks

Brodie

I was wondering the same. I know tons of guys who, sadly, are openly pigs. Like I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they got caught up in something like this. Of course, there are many guys I know where something like this would shock me. I see nothing wrong with expressing that at all.

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

Wow … much more discretion in posting is needed. Where are the admins? Distracted by NewbiePalooza?

Blocked long ago but unfortunately people quoting trash like that it still shows up

Assuming you understand English grammar and sentence structure, now we have you, here, calling another member “trash.” If anyone in this thread has crossed a line, it’s you.

[Steve_Costigan]

Agreed.

It is sad / depressing but I knew one of the 6 who were expelled. It was about 15 years ago but I have quite a lot dealings and interaction with him. He seemed like a nice guy; just goes to show that you can never really know someone. I had no idea that any of this crap was going down. I am totally appalled by the whole thing.

Men who are abusers rarely prey on their victims where they can be seen. They look for opportunities to do so unobserved.

I’m always resigned whenever I hear from male friends that “he seemed like a nice guy.”

Dude? You’re a dude. You’re literally not the target demographic of misogynist sexual harassment. Don’t be surprised that you’ve never seen it.

OK - help me out here. What should I have said that be have been more appropriate / acceptable? Of course I am aware that I don’t get to experience it 1st hand as a male. But that does not mean I lack empathy to those who do. My partner of 34 years has experienced it, my nieces have experienced it and I have female friends who have experienced it. I see it thru the volunteer work I do.

My intention was simply to express the horror of finding out someone I knew was doing this. I am always surprised when I find out that people I know have done bad (or worse) things.

I would value your guidance on helping me understand why my comments are (seemingly) offensive to you.

Thanks

Brodie

Of course some are adept at hiding the evil they do from even those closest to them. But vast majority of seemingly good people are in fact so. It’s therefore completely normal to experience and express disappointment, dismay, or pain at finding out that someone you thought you knew engaged in awful behavior. No need to apologize or suppress that reaction.

[B_Davies]

Just my 2 cents. Being a male does not exclude you from being sexually abused. Let’s just say this is not just a theoretical statement for me.

[DougS]

Men who are abusers rarely prey on their victims where they can be seen. They look for opportunities to do so unobserved.

I’m always resigned whenever I hear from male friends that “he seemed like a nice guy.”

Dude? You’re a dude. You’re literally not the target demographic of misogynist sexual harassment. Don’t be surprised that you’ve never seen it.

OK - help me out here. What should I have said that be have been more appropriate / acceptable? Of course I am aware that I don’t get to experience it 1st hand as a male. But that does not mean I lack empathy to those who do. My partner of 34 years has experienced it, my nieces have experienced it and I have female friends who have experienced it. I see it thru the volunteer work I do.

My intention was simply to express the horror of finding out someone I knew was doing this. I am always surprised when I find out that people I know have done bad (or worse) things.

I would value your guidance on helping me understand why my comments are (seemingly) offensive to you.

Thanks

Brodie

Of course some are adept at hiding the evil they do from even those closest to them. But vast majority of seemingly good people are in fact so. It’s therefore completely normal to experience and express disappointment, dismay, or pain at finding out that someone you thought you knew engaged in awful behavior. No need to apologize or suppress that reaction.

Agreed.

[Siun_O_Connell]

OK - help me out here. What should I have said that be have been more appropriate / acceptable? Of course I am aware that I don’t get to experience it 1st hand as a male. But that does not mean I lack empathy to those who do. My partner of 34 years has experienced it, my nieces have experienced it and I have female friends who have experienced it. I see it thru the volunteer work I do.

My intention was simply to express the horror of finding out someone I knew was doing this. I am always surprised when I find out that people I know have done bad (or worse) things.

I would value your guidance on helping me understand why my comments are (seemingly) offensive to you.

Thanks

Brodie

I’m not a dude and thought your comment was fine.