Consolidated off-the-beaten-path Burgundy TNs

[dcornutt]

Kent.
it is a great value and great wine to me.

[Scott_Watkins]

Great thread Martin! educational and not hard on the pocketbook…

[Ed_Murray]

@Howard Cooper

@PCLIN

Not exactly Burgundy, but…

2010 Domaine des Terres Dorees (Jean-Paul Brun) Fleurie

Alluring aromas jumping from glass. Floral, earthy, and sweet tone. Very sweet on entry, almost too sweet. Firm mid-palate with smooth tannins. Good acidity level. Ever so slight warmth at finish. Very good balance overall. Delicious wine and great QPR, average price on Wine Searcher is $13 pounds, no kidding. Worth every penny. Will buy more, idea house pour. 90-93 pts.



How does one link the text from CT?

“…really don’t think of it as a Burgundy substitute, more apples and oranges. What do others think.”

I completely agree!!!

[Nowell_Karten]

@Howard Cooper

I like Beaujolais but really don’t think of it as a Burgundy substitute, more apples and oranges. What do others think.

I agree. A different grape variety grown in a different soil structure does not produce the same wine.

[Martin_Steinley]

@AlexS

One of Dan’s label suggestions from the other thread:

• 2010 Paul Pillot Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Clos St. Jean - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru (10/5/2015)
  Popped and poured, medium ruby. Initially quite reticent, this slowly unfurls after about an hour or so of aeration to show broodingly elegant aromas of wild raspberries, blood orange, thai basil, sandalwood, smoke/oak and subtle hints of spice (crushed cloves?). A touch of heat as well. Medium to medium-plus body, deceiving weight. Fresh red fruits are complimented by herbaceous flavors which veer more autumnal than green along with a somewhat saline, almost savory impression of minerals. The fruit keeps expanding with air, so lovely. And really, just so much going on, such transparency…and although there’s still a touch of heat it’s tempered by balanced acidity and moderately astringent tannins on the lingering close.
  A quietly wonderful wine to savor over the course of evening, one which demands contemplation and introspection as it continually evolves. Give this a two hour decant or cellar for a few years.

Obviously 1er Cru, this kept crescendoing and is truly a wine geek’s kind of Burg. Made me think of Volnay with a bit more power.

Thank you for this good note, Alex. These are really old vines - 100 years plus.

@dcornutt

2012 Roty Marsannay Les Ouzeloy

Opens primary pinot. Lots of red fruit. With some decanting, there is that extra gear of truffle that wines of greatness have on the nose and finish. (What is it doing here? Not supposed to happen. ) The palate is so soothing. Gorgeous silky fruit. Great verve and energy. The finish is satisfying. Did I say that the element of truffle is here? I am totally in love with this. Not cerebral. Sensual.

It might be a one off. I know the Clos de Jeu is supposedly in this league. This is very special stuff for the appellation.

If the truffle is from the oak regimen or other treatments, I don’t really care. Bring it on!

Good note here, too, Don. Thank you. I understand that this is the pick of Roty’s Marsannay holdings. You have now prompted me to chase it down.

[Keith_Levenberg]

@Nowell Karten

@Howard Cooper

I like Beaujolais but really don’t think of it as a Burgundy substitute, more apples and oranges. What do others think.

I agree. A different grape variety grown in a different soil structure does not produce the same wine.

Whenever someone says that wine X is not a good substitute for wine Y, the question I ask is, how comfortable are you that if you were tasting a blind lineup of 10 X’s and 10 Y’s, you’d be able to identify which was which 100% of the time? If you can’t, it means that at least some of them are good substitutes.

[Kent_Comley]

2008 Domaine Dublere Savigny-Les -Beaune ‘Les Telmettes’ is quite mature in hue and in taste. Showing some beef stock and hoi sin and a gentle, soft palate. A good restaurant wine ready to go.

Agree sentiments re Beaujolais not being a direct sub for Burg, but massive price hikes of Burgs pushes us into new territory as we seek mid week values.

[Jeremy_Holmes]

There’s also great value to be had with some old ‘no name’ negociant bottlings from top vineyards.

Last night we had a 1986 Rene Lecuelle Meursault-Charmes 1er Cru. It poured out looking fresh and alive. It was rich and heady with the scent of almond butter and truffles. It was dense and sappy and loaded with orchard fruit flavours. There was a drizzle of honey and a strong suggestion of minerality to the finish. One of the best whites of the year for mine.

[Kirk.Grant]

@Howard Cooper

@PCLIN

Not exactly Burgundy, but…

2010 Domaine des Terres Dorees (Jean-Paul Brun) Fleurie

Alluring aromas jumping from glass. Floral, earthy, and sweet tone. Very sweet on entry, almost too sweet. Firm mid-palate with smooth tannins. Good acidity level. Ever so slight warmth at finish. Very good balance overall. Delicious wine and great QPR, average price on Wine Searcher is $13 pounds, no kidding. Worth every penny. Will buy more, idea house pour. 90-93 pts.



How does one link the text from CT?

I like Beaujolais but really don’t think of it as a Burgundy substitute, more apples and oranges. What do others think.

Now, if you had said Brun’s Beaujolais Blanc, I could see that.

I had a 1996 Château Thivin Côte de Brouilly that was VERY "Burgundian about a year ago. I think if people pick the right ones…and age them close to 20 or more years it’s possible to use them as a substitute. It would take a lot of storage space.

[Martin_Steinley]

Kent, the couple of early Dublere wines that I had struck me as being somewhat “easy” wines. Your 2008 Telmettes seems to be in that mold. Not bad, just easy going. I know little about the wines, however.

Jeremy, that Lucuelle must be one of gems from your sleuthing in France. Sounds like a beauty.

Kirk, for my palate, Thivin’s Cote de Brouilly is the most Burgundian Beaujolais going. It doesn’t have the brambly, up-front fruit of many, but is instead dominated by a granite core, that makes for a leaner, focused, more upright wine. The 2014 last night was no different, and it has the stuffing to age for a long time.

Thank you for the notes, gentlemen.

[Kent_Comley]

2010 Jean-Marc Bouley Pommard is stupendously good. Bright Pomegranate and cranberry with bags of energy and a mineral core with blossoming tannins. Very youthful and vibrant. Structurally reminds me of Roumier Chambolle. Of course now the secret is out and the '13s have taken a quantum jump in pricing.

[Jeremy_Holmes]

Great wines Kent.

[Jeremy_Holmes]

Claude Maréchal’s wines are somewhat still under the radar. He was good friends with Henri Jayer and learnt a lot from him. Savigny-Les-Beaune is still a good value source.

2012 Catherine et Claude Maréchal Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Les Lavières: Ripe and juicy with fleshy black cherry fruit. There’s floral nuance and plenty of mineral and earth just below the surface. The wine is rich and powerful with great structure and super length.

[Scott_E_Wade]

Great thread. Lots of ideas to check out. I’m learning a lot.

I’ve enjoyed Audoin and Pillot too. Pavelot should get a mention.

I’ll throw in a little ringer. 2003 Tollot-Beaut Corton-Bressandes GC. Wait! $60. Cheap in Switzerland too. Dark cherries, soy and red meat. 12 years old. Vintage ripe, but not roasted. WS 93, CT 92, My 93.

Keep ‘em comin’.

[Robert_Panzer]

@Kent Comley

2010 Jean-Marc Bouley Pommard is stupendously good. Bright Pomegranate and cranberry with bags of energy and a mineral core with blossoming tannins. Very youthful and vibrant. Structurally reminds me of Roumier Chambolle. Of course now the secret is out and the '13s have taken a quantum jump in pricing.

His Pommard villages is gorgeous. Upper upper slope from Vaumuriens.
Pommard is one of those villages with an out of date/out of touch stereotype : Pommard=foursquare and rustic.
There are many faces…

The price increases in '13 are not just because of his rising reputation. HAIL. Ouch.

[Robert_Panzer]

<$45 less known wines that would be suitable in this thread, sans tasting note:
Belland Santenay 1er Graviers
Belland Santenay 1er Beauregard
Belland Chassagne 1er Clos Pitois rouge
Maltroye Chassagne 1er Boudriottes rouge
Maltroye Chassagne 1er Clos St Jean rouge
Maltroye Chassagne 1er Clos du Chateau de la Maltroye rouge
Nicolas Rossignol Bourgogne l’Heritière
Gerard Julien Cotes de Nuits villages
Dureuil Janthial Rully 1er Chapitre rouge
Dureuil Janthial Rully 1er cru VV rouge
Clos Salomon Givry 1er
Patrice Rion Bourgogne Bons Batons
Alain Michelot Morey villages
Alain Michelot NSG VV villages
Pascal Marchand Beaune 1er Tuvilains!

Beaujo:
Thillardon Boccards
Thillardon Blémonts
Capréoles Diaclase

I’ll stop now…

[Mark_C_Johnson]

@Robert Panzer

@Kent Comley

2010 Jean-Marc Bouley Pommard is stupendously good. Bright Pomegranate and cranberry with bags of energy and a mineral core with blossoming tannins. Very youthful and vibrant. Structurally reminds me of Roumier Chambolle. Of course now the secret is out and the '13s have taken a quantum jump in pricing.

His Pommard villages is gorgeous. Upper upper slope from Vaumuriens.
Pommard is one of those villages with an out of date/out of touch stereotype : Pommard=foursquare and rustic.
There are many faces…

The price increases in '13 are not just because of his rising reputation. HAIL. Ouch.

Went through a number of Bichot 2008 Pommard village @ $40. They were quite good. Managed to squirrel 2 away for the future.

Yes, pommard ain’t your dad’s pommard annymore…

[Martin_Steinley]

2012 Jean-Marc Pillot St.-Romain La Periere - Pillot has a fine portfolio of Chassagne-Montrachet wines, both white and red. Those that follow the domaine also know that he has two whites that fly under most radar, this wine and his Montagny Les Gouresses. Both are made in small quantities from vines over 100 years old. This wine, from a high-altitude, cool site is pure and fresh. The nose is unmistakably mineral, flinty and smoky, with the citrus fruit just poking through. Frankly, I have had this bottle several times now and I am comfortable saying that it has about as much mineral on the nose as any wine that I have had. It is no surprise that the mineral aspect repeats on the palate, but there is ample fleshy, but firm, yellow and citrus fruits and good buffering acidity. I am confident that if this were thrown in a blind tasting of white Burgundy from the high-rent districts, it would hold its own and that no one would guess it to be a $30ish bottle. I believe that some would guess PYCM. It does not have the nuance and detail of a good $100 Puligny-Montrachet, but it delivers a blast of mineral Chardonnay.

Jeremy, I had never heard of Claude Marechal. I plan to run down the wines. Thanks to you and Kent for all of the good contributions here.

[Kent_Comley]

2007 Domaine Buisson-Charles Pommard en Chiveau is humming along nicely, without hitting any great heights. Displaying a sinewy, meaty structure with medium length. It is a nice Monday night drink that in some ways is difficult to categorise.

[Martin_Steinley]

Kent, the only Buisson-Charles rouge that I have seen the CA distributor offer is the Volnay Santenot. Have you ever had it? I would expect the 07 of it to be a nice drink. I would like to try the Pommard and will look for it. Thank you for the note.