Burgundy Peeps - Caveau des Arches wine list -RESTAURANT LIST ADDED

These young Roulots are both beautiful wines. Showing well in their youth.

RT

2008 Bourgogne Aligoté J-F Coche-Dury 28,00 €

Joust out of interest to see what aligote’s like.

The DRC prices don’t strike me as all that good. DRC restaurant prices are good when they’re below retail, which isn’t that uncommon because the retail prices are so inflated for their “collector” value. I think most or all of those wines can be bought at retail for less.

Keith,
You are right. I meant the 06 and the 07 La Tache, close to retail and the 07 RC which is below retail. neener

BTW I find it absurd that the 09 Lapierre Morgon is selling for 1/10th of a GC burgundy. It will age extremely well.

The 08 Bernard Moreau Chassagne “La Cardeuse” (rouge). I haven’t had this vintage, but this is pretty good wine for the price most years.

Although mostly young, this is a nice list. My choices from low-high end, depending on what I wanted to spend would be:

2008 Bourgogne Aligoté …J-F Coche-Dury 28,00 €
2008 Bourgogne Chardonnay …Domaine Leflaive 46,00 €
2007 Meursault “Tessons Clos Mon Plaisir” …G. Roulot 95,00 €
2007 Chevalier Montrachet …Bouchard Père et Fils 210,00 €

2007 Savigny-Lès-Beaune 1er Cru “Les Lavières” …Bouchard Père et Fils 32,00 €
Any one of the Boillot Volnays- whatever the Sommelier would recommend as drinking well
2008 Chambolle-Musigny …J.F. Mugnier 82,00 €
2006 Nuits-St-Georges 1er Cru “Clos de la Maréchale” …J.F. Mugnier 97,00 €
2008 Charmes Chambertin …A. Rousseau 150,00 €
2008 Clos Des Lambrays …Domaine des Lambrays 175,00 €
2005 Clos de la Roche …A. Rousseau 200,00 €

I would probably most likely start with the Aligote as I would love to see what Coche does with this and it’s the cheapest bottle of Coche you’ll ever buy, and then I probably would go for the '05 Rousseau Clos de La Roche as that has got to be way under market even though it’s probably closed like a steel trap right now. You could raise a few eyebrows and request a stickblender and a pitcher!


Is this the place that has a small street level space with a front counter almost like a diner, and then you walk down a stair case and the dining room is set in an old cellar? About 2 blocks off the main square parallel to Rue Bibliotheque if memory serves? If so, we had a great meal there in '07.

True, except the '07 smashes the '08…

I’d go one of the '07 whites…

The Boillot C/C is tempting, and whilst young this is still very good. needs a good decant.

A few '07 Leflaives stand out also, the Folatieres is a lovely drink.

Also there are some '07 Ramonets for a very decent price, I’d go the Batard at 175…and the '07 Leflaive Chevalier is a knockout wine at a good list price, as is the '07 Ramonet Montrachet.


Reds are a bit trickier.

I’d probably go an '06, since I enjoy them a lot…

The '06 Jayer-Gilles Echezeaux is a nice wine, the '06 Dujac Charmes Chambertin will be good.

Up the scale a bit, the '99 Lignier CDLR is a fantastic wine, and the '07 Roussea Chambertin is also a very lovely drink now.

If the list changes and they have some more '09’s, then perhaps look there as well…

Kim,
Its a really good restaurant, you should enjoy the food.

I’d probably go for an 07 Roulot but if you wanted to have a blow out the 07 Ramonet Monty is well priced as is Lafon’s 07 Perrieres.

I may opt for an Arnoux 08 Vosne or one of the better priced Rousseau wines as a red.

Best Regards
Jeremy

I would 3rd or fourth the 07 Roulot’s. Even the village level Lieu Dit’s wines will kill it. I would be less excited about spending a lot on the PC, GC reds and having them show too young.


Also consider a village level 09 red form a maker you like. I really thought that the lower level wines did well in 09 and it seems tough to spend a lot on a wine well pre peak.


Have a great trip

These are great suggestions here.

I buy Roulot here. Every time I go this a must. This is the best restaurant in Beaune to find this at reasonable prices to me. Love the Tessons! The Porozots is also excellent. I like the 08’s a lot.

Red is always a dilemma for me because there are so many other places to find great reds at good prices around Beaune. The Pacalet wines are hard to find and interesting. They are very feminine.
On the high end, this is one of the places you can find a reasonable (relative) price on Rousseau Chambertin in young form. Love JM Stephan’s Cote Roties too. FWIW.

Have a great time.

Wow - Great suggestions here. Thank you one and all. :slight_smile:

For those interested, the restaurant lineup looks like this so far – Ma Cuisine, Caves Madeleine, Bistro de L’Hotel, Mason Troisgros. Feel free to address wines here if it pleases you. :slight_smile:

Le Regalade = no longer exists??

A few others being researched today…

And then on to the difficult task of arranging Domaine visits.

Kim, I’d go with one of the “top 3” rousseau 2008s because they are fabulous, they fit your stated preferred style, and they are as inexpensive as you are ever going to find them in the states at retail - for a white, go cheap and get the 08 jacquesson rully 1er cru half bottle.

Restaurants - I know it’s heresy but I think ma cuisine is vastly overrated and I’ve eaten there many times. I was just in Burgundy and the best restaurant meals I had were at Le Tontons and Caves Madeleine - both casual with sophisticated yet not fancy cooking with outstanding use of seasonal and local stuff - also very good wine lists.

I also really like Auberge La Miotte in Ladroix - more rustic but great.

I find it absurd that GC burgundy is selling for 10 times the price of 09 Lapierre Morgon.

Though that doesn’t stop me from buying burgundy, even sometimes I think I should stop. There is just so much out there that is almost as good (some as good probably) for so much less.

Save your Rousseau and high end red splurge for Troisgros. Great wine list here. Lots of great choices. Also I would save some of my red wine money for Caves Madeline.

I like Ma Cuisine better than Maureen but I always get the pigeon and they source it from a local person. It is as good as you will get if you like pigeon. Their wine list is picked over some now. L’Hotel should have some great choices. Great food there. Upscale. Auberge de la Miotte is fun. Low brow and lots of local Burgundian’s hang there for lunch. Lots of vignerons. Food is good and hearty. Relatively cheap too. Lots of game. They have lots of Coche Dury since the owner is a personal friend of JF Coche. That is a fun suggestion.

If it was me, I would save my big money for Troisgros. Their wine list will make your eyes pop out.

Check out Aupres de la Clocher in Pommard and La Cabotte in NSG for food. Some of the very best and not too stuffy.

Maureen - I have definitely heard mixed reviews for Ma Cuisine. However, it just seems like one those places ya have to try - if you’ve never been to Burgundy. Le Tontons is on the list - but not yet confirmed. I will check out Auberge de la Miotte - Thank you!

Don - La Cabotte was recommended to me by David Strange - he loves the place! I’m reading up on the place this very moment.

Thanks again to ALL for the help. It is greatly appreciated. :slight_smile:

Though I agree with Maureen on Ma Cuisine, like Katz’s in NYC for pastrami and other cities’ “must tries”, it is a place “you have to try”. You might like it better, and unless one has no curiosity, it is worth a trip…once at least. (I’ve been there more than I wanted…and won’t go back unless others insist-or are paying .)


Ironically, in light of the suggestions for the Coche Aligote…in 2001 I went there with a well known winemaker and his wife, and I insisted on ordering it. It was putrid…something was really off. The winemaker finally decided he’d tell the owner, who he knew pretty well. The owner said we were wrong, but we insisted on another bottle. It was just as bad. The owner said "see, I told you nothing was “wrong” with it; that’s the way that wine tastes. He charged us for one bottle, though both were undrinkable. I’ve seen the guy in action since, and was ok, if a little curt. The noise levels in the place can be distracting…more than any restaurant I know of. The food isn’t bad, though I’ve rarely had anything memorable…except a plate of the little fried fish you pop in your mouth (“friture”) that I ordered to go with the aligote. I almost always go for wines from other regions there…as they are often more interesting than what’s on the list…and better values.

Kim, if you’re still looking…two of the most memorable meals I’ve had in France have been at Le Charlemagne in Pernand. I understand they have a wonderful lunch deal, too. And, lots of decently priced Pernand-area wines.

The one time I was at LaCabotte (a winemaker took me for dinner), I was unimpressed, and remember little about it.

I always try to visit the restaurant at the Hotel Guidon in Comblanchien on every trip (at least once). http://www.hotel-restaurant-duguidon.com/resto.htm It is a two-choice fixed meal place that serves family style and is geared to attracting long distance and local truckers. Not haute cuisine, but always fun and satisfying…assuming one of the choices appeals to you. They have a daily sign out saying what they are.

I didn’t say the prices were good. The question was “what stands out?” The DRCs are a good answer to that question.

I’m with Maureen. I find Ma Cuisine good but overrated. If Pierre hadn;t gone bonkers over it, it would not get the press it does. I would do lunch there rather than diiner. I wasn’t that impressed with Bistro de L’Hotel either. Absolutely great wine list but food is good but not great. I would rather go to Le Charlemagne as Stuart suggests. I’m also a fan of La Cabotte, This is less stuffy and much more reasonable than L’hotel or Le Charlemagne. Wine list is very good with prices that won’t break the bank.