Although many burgs are extremely expensive, it is a myth that they cost a fortune. For everyday drinking they are, in my mind, are a far better value than California.
Thanks for the note.
Jason
My average is usually $35 to $50 and buy mostly 1er cru. Of course Im not getting any cult producers though.
Today from the PC sale I got:
2005 Herve Roumier Chambolle Musigny Fuees 1er - $35 a bottle
2005 Courcel Pommard Croix Noires - $35 a bottle
Never tried Herve Roumier so Im risking brett, but its a chance I take at these prices.
Totally agree. I must have drank 2-3 cases each of 2005 and 2006 Chorely Les Beaune from Drouhin and I like those charming lil’ burgs more than most $80 cali pinots. I’ll never know what they taste like aged cause I love slurping them young so much.
My average is usually $35 to $50 and buy mostly 1er cru.
Berry,
Check out the sub-twenny buck Suremain 1er Cru Mercureys at Dee Vine.
I saw that. Do you know anything about the producer?
Darn - missed the sale
I went on within 3 or 4 minutes of getting the email and the baby jesus and Vougeraie were already gone
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Almost pulled the trigger on some Dujac Charmes but then remembered how much Ive spent on xmas stuff already this year
Berry - I posted on the 2001 Le Cret. It’s delicious. I picked up a few of the 2005s to squirrel away.
Thanks. Couldnt log in. Sent an email to Otto.
Girardin provides the best bang for the $$ in Burgundy. He used to a make a Santenay from Clos de la Confrérie that was a steal @ under $20. The '99 and '02 are fantastic QPR’s. I don’t know what the story is but i heard that he no longer has the rights to the grapes…bummer…
I really wished I liked Giradin because of the prices but I get a wiff of something “unclean” on almost every red Ive had from him. I can pick out his wines blind sometimes from it. Dont get the same thing from his whites though.
Oak and brett steer me away from Girardin reds, though I’m generally a fan of the whites and moreso when price is considered.
“Best bang for the buck” on reds, for my money, goes to things like Bize, Chandon de Briailles and Pavelot Savigny 1ers, Bachelet Cotes de Nuits VV and a couple of other odds and ends here and there.
the oak is pretty prominent on the wine. I actually just had a bottle of the 03 Pommard 1er Cru Les Chanlins tonight. Drinking pretty well with extended air time but the oak never really fades
- 2003 Vincent Girardin Pommard 1er Cru Les Chanlins - France, Burgundy, CĂ´te de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru (12/12/2009)
on pop and pour you get a lot a lot of dark cherry on the nose and on the palate. That’s the most prominent taste and it lingers with the rough tannins into the finish. There is a bit of a sour oak note on the finish but it melts in with the cherry. The tannins are mouth coating but they subside with about 4-5 hours in the bottle.
The nose starts to give off more of an woodsey earth tone mixed in with dark fruit and hints of dirt. Tannins have slightly resolved and the cherry flavor is still very pronounced on the palate. It’s almost a little candied, not as rough as it was previously… much sweeter and rounder. I’ll hold the other bottle for a few more years, I think it still needs time to really round into shape and maybe it’ll eliminate that sour oak but who knows. (90 pts.)
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There are several other really good “bang for the buck” Burgundies that have not yet been mentioned in the thread- in Savigny there is Domaine Camus-Bruchon, who makes wines at the same very high level as Patric Bize, Chandon de Briailles and Jean-Marc Pavelot, and who should be on any short list of great value Burgundies. I also like very much Domaine Lafouge in Auxey-Duresses- terrific, transparent red wines bursting with cherry fruit, complex soil tones and smoky topnotes, and white wines that are dead-ringers for Guy Roulot. Also Martin Bart in Marsannay is making superb wines- touch of cold soak a la Henri Jayer, about 20% new wood and beautiful depth, complexity and balance in his black fruity examples of Marsannay and Fixin (there is also a bit of great Bonnes-Mares and Chambertin "Clos de Beze in the cellar here, for those not solely in search of value, as Monsieur Bart’s mother comes from the Clair family and these are vines from the old Clair-Dau estate that were retained by Madame Bart when the rest of the family sold their vineyards to Louis Jadot).
One can also do well with some of the lower level wines that have been added at the more tony estates- the Drouhin Chory was already mentioned (their Cote de Beaune is also excellent- usually comprised of at least 50% declassified Beaune premier crus) and in several vintages I have had terrific Givry and Rully rouge from them as well. At Domaine Trapet Pere et Fils, the new Marsannay bottling is stellar- very similar in style and quality to the aforementioned Denis Bachelet Cote de Nuits Villages, and Jean-Nicolas Meo is doing some very intersting things in both Marsannay and Fixin. I have also had some outstanding Louis Jadot reds from further down the food chain in the last few years (their Santenay “Clos de Malte” is quite serious), though I would qualify these as in need of at least a few years bottle age before they really start to sing. I am sure that there are dozens more out there beyond this list.
Best,
John
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Love Lafouge, recent discovery for me. Wines are excellent.
Sadly, the Meo Fixin and Marsannay are pricey in NJ b/c of the wholesale, but are great wines. Same with the Bachelet.
Its not wood. Someting vaugely rotting.
FAIL.
But since your out of the closet, have you tried Laurent burgs? They are very cheap and have tons of oak. But its not that maple-like sweet oak. You can taste the fruit still. The type of oak he uses shows mostly in the aromatics and it integrates pretty well with time.
I need to find time to look some of these up via various retailers.
Maybe we should have a BurgHunter thread
+1 Used to by here and there since the prices were nice but they didn’t work for me. I could never put my finger on what it was. But I have like the few whites I have tried.
I am not oak adverse so it is something else. For me the Laurents work better in that price range.
Jason
Yeah the GCs can be pricey … probably because of the 200% new oak. I don’t see them any more but about 7 or years ago it seemed like his wines were showing up on closeout on a weekly basis.
J