Bordeaux producers - examples of lighter, less rich and more transparent in colour ("burgundy-style") -producers?

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

@DougS

Also agree on Chateau Bel Air Marquis d’Aligre

But is that anything remotely close to Pavie Macquin?

[Keith_Levenberg]

The answer is to drink mature Bordeaux instead of young Bordeaux. Young Bordeaux just isn’t supposed to be light or transparently colored even when it’s classically made.

[DougS]

@Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m

@DougS

Also agree on Chateau Bel Air Marquis d’Aligre

But is that anything remotely close to Pavie Macquin?

I don’t know, but I doubt it.

[Mark_E]

@Alan_Rath

2014 was very pretty, maybe 50% oak.

Interesting, I’ve seen Kirwan at my local Costco for a while, never thought about picking one up. Will give it a shot next time I’m there. Not sure the vintage, though.

[B_Beachy]

Wine Exchange (winex.com) just listed some new pre-arrival 2010 Bel Air Marquis d’Aligre @ $65.98, FYI.

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

@DougS

@Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m

@DougS

Also agree on Chateau Bel Air Marquis d’Aligre

But is that anything remotely close to Pavie Macquin?

I don’t know, but I doubt it.

And that’s kind of an ongoing issue here. Everyone has been focused only on half of Tomas’s OP. I asked for clarification, but Tomas never replied, so who knows how helpful this thread will actually be for him. Regardless, it’s a good conversation, and may be helpful to others.

[DougS]

@Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m

@DougS

@Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m

@DougS

Also agree on Chateau Bel Air Marquis d’Aligre

But is that anything remotely close to Pavie Macquin?

I don’t know, but I doubt it.

And that’s kind of an ongoing issue here. Everyone has been focused only on half of Tomas’s OP. I asked for clarification, but Tomas never replied, so who knows how helpful this thread will actually be for him. Regardless, it’s a good conversation, and may be helpful to others.

Good point.

[Howard_Cooper]

there are a number of excellent California wines that are not oaky

[Julian_Marshall]

I don’t know if Tomas is still interested but I had a bottle of Rauzan-Ségla 2000 which fit the description perfectly - a model of elegance and classicism.