I have been buying 2019 Bordeaux
Haut Brion
Mouton
VCC
Pichon Lalande
Canon
Rauzan Segla
Also 16s
But how about the 18s?
I see some really cheap stuff out there … like canon?
What do you think of the 18s and what would you buy from the 18s
Thanka
Welcome to the boards! Hard to say without knowing your palate, but I totally skipped 15 and 18 except for a scattered few. Quite ripe for my palate. I went deep on 14 and 16 - both outstanding vintages - and have started picking up 19s.
True, it’s a ripe vintage, but I’ve liked what I’ve tasted so far. I’m not a big Bordeaux-phile, but I have a handful, mostly from St. Emilion, and a couple bottles of Montrose as well. Taste ‘em if you can.
Palmer 2018 is likely to be legendary. Tiny, tiny yields around one third of normal (11 hl/ha)
Whether or not it is going to be my kind of wine remains to be seen. I have tried one bottle, and admired it for its massive presence, the intensity, the bright acidity, and huge finish. If this all sounded like a cult California, it is isn’t. It wasn’t friendly enough, and it came across as austere, which hours in the decanter did manage to help it unfurl. .
2013 was probably the last bad vintage. Everything else is just if you like it riper or classic.
Welcome. Based on the vintages you called out, 2018 is a perfect fit. 2015 - 2022 are all excellent with 2021 & 2017 being the exceptions.however that is a grand generalization and palate preference. Example Les Carmes Haut Brion is ‘21 is spectacular (at least in En Premier). People will argue 2017 is great but it’s really a different animal and unless you know your palate prefers that vintage I would stay in the vintages your buying including the others recommended above.
If looking for much more classic than that is an entirely different response.
I have tasted a lot of Bordeaux in my past and still doing so… I like St Emillion, Pomerol and Margaux especially
I agree with Mark that 2018 Palmer will be legendary and I have some of those in my cellar at BI…
I also have 2018 Canon and 2018 Rauzan Segla…
I am thinking about adding more Canon (my largest holding in Canon is 2019 and 2020… small 2015, small 2016 very small 17 and 21… also have a decent allocation on the first tranche of 2022)… the price for the quality seem absurd to me… as well as 2016 which i will add more… all in all i have over 600 bottles of canon in various vintages…
I like 16s a lot… i love the 19s… the 2020s are young but very promising…
My question is, is it worth venturing out of Canon Rauzan Segla and Palmer in the 18 vintage?
thanks for all the input
Only very selectively. I don’t like the vintage, too ripe, too alcoholic in many cases.
What else? Carmes certainly is a candidate. Having a few Cheval, Margaux and Moutons never hurts. Figeac is good too. But be aware, while these are good wines, the hardly more expensive or even cheaper versions in 16/19/20 are the better wines. Hence I would only buy a few of those, if you want to have more options in the cellar or complete verticals.
The one wine that should always be considered past, current and future- vieux chateau certain (VCC). 100% one the top wines that trades at a fraction of its ‘equals’.
i started buying 2022 last night reviews look pretty fine pricing is pretty good for quality it may be year to stock up on better deals for quality than napa cab just have to wait a bit
gaffeliere
Beau-Sejour Becot
brane cantenac
leoville barton
Léoville Poyferré
higher priced but we all know what can be added here
canon
figeac
maybe should have started a new thread