Better Than Average Kabinett

[Nathan_Smyth]

Egon Muller Kabinett

WARNING: Egon Muller [$75 to $150] is not the same as Eugen Muller [$15].

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Vine & Table, in Carmel, might have some Donnhoff Trocken [fully dry], at $23.99:

https://vineandtable.storebyweb.com/s/1000-68445/b?s=PHL&ps=64&q=riesling

And Kahn’s, in Indianapolis, might have a QBA [off-dry] from Maximin Grunhauser [$22.99], a Kabinett from Richter [$21.99], and a much more expensive Kabinett from Zilliken [$32.99]:

Wine Store

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We are not opposed to having some shipped although I understand that Indiana laws make it unnecessarily complicated.

It’s a shame that you came on a “Real Names” bulletin board to ask these questions.

What follows might not be an accurate summation of the situation, but it’s what I could glean from searching the statutes for keywords such as “import” and “carrier”.

It looks like the foreign retail store could apply for an Indiana permit which would allow them to ship to you:

IC 7.1-3-26-5 Direct wine seller requirements
IC 7.1-3-26-6 Consumer qualifications; seller violation
IC 7.1-3-26-7 Qualifications of applicant for direct wine seller permit
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2019/ic/titles/7.1#7.1-3-26-5

The shipping firm [UPS, FedEx, etc] would also need a permit to act as a carrier of alcohol:

Chapter 18. Carriers’, Salesmen’s, and Employees’ Permits
IC 7.1-3-18-3 Permits required
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2019/ic/titles/7.1#7.1-3-18-3

Sec. 3. Permits Required. A carrier shall be required to apply for and obtain a carrier’s alcoholic permit before he may haul, convey, transport, or import alcoholic beverages on a public highway of this state or crossing a boundary of it.

And if you were to purchase or receive wine from an entity which lacked the correct permits [for selling to you, or for shipping to you], then you would have committed a Class B Misdemeanor [???]:

IC 7.1-5-10-5 Sale without permit prohibited
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2019/ic/titles/7.1#7.1-5-10-5

Sec. 5. (a) It is unlawful for a person, except as otherwise permitted by this title, to knowingly or intentionally purchase, receive, manufacture, import, or transport, or cause to be imported or transported from another state, territory, or country, into this state, or transport, ship, barter, give away, exchange, furnish, or otherwise handle, or dispose of an alcoholic beverage, or to possess an alcoholic beverage for purpose of sale.

(b) It is unlawful for a person to receive or acquire an alcoholic beverage from a person that the person knows does not hold, unrevoked, the appropriate permit under this title to sell, deliver, furnish, or give the alcoholic beverage to the person.

(c) A person who violates subsection (a) or (b) commits a Class B misdemeanor.

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On the other hand, if you go to Wine-Searcher, restrict your search to the state of Indiana, but also use “Add stores that ship to state”, then you get a bazillion hits nationwide.
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Still, though, having wasted all that time scrolling through the Indiana statues [which are damned near unreadable], I’m dubious as to whether that’s accurate.

Or else maybe no one [neither law enforcement nor law breakers] cares anymore about the law being broken?

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Personally, I would try contacting the big stores in Chicago, and ask whether they have valid Indiana permits which allow them to ship to you legally [my guess is that they would be the most likely to have invested the sweat equity necessary to ship (legally) to Indiana on a regular basis]:

http://www.hdhwine.com/retail-wine-list?includeInStockOnly=0&sortfield=retail_sort&sortorder=desc&keyword=riesling

https://auction.hdhwine.com/

The Chicago Wine Company

https://www.flickingerwines.com/advancedsearch.aspx?qry=riesling
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[David_Bu3ker]

Hans,

If you come back to this thread, ignore Nathan Smythe. He is the board alarmist and “Debbie Downer.”

[Howard_Cooper]

Another way to avoid excessive sweetness is to drink older Kabinetts.

While I applaud this idea, my experience is that ‘older’ means pretty old - like 10+ years to see significant development. Challenge is finding these. I look all the time, and almost never see any trocken/kabinett/feinherb in the market more than a few years old (in the US). If anyone has any sources they’d like to share please do!

My wine cellar (I have one 1998 WS Kabinett from JJ Prum and a number of other Kabinetts and Spatlesen more than 10 years old)?

Actually, look at my link to Flickinger for a couple that are more than 5 years old - which cuts into future time needed to hold the wine.

[Hans_von_Suess]

Hans,

If you come back to this thread, ignore Nathan Smythe. He is the board alarmist and “Debbie Downer.”

Well, I appreciate the comments of everyone although some of that was over my head. I’d heard Indiana laws were unnecessarily complicated when it comes to buying wine and I don’t think that any less after reading his post. I suppose they’re on high alert to enforce those laws too, as I’ve never lived in a town with so many police cars - even back in the DDR.

All comments really are much appreciated. Thanks for your input.

Hans

[David_Bu3ker]

Nathan is just certain that the big bad government is monitoring this site.

[John_Glas]

Nik Weis St. Urbans HoF makes a not too sweet Kabinett from the Ockfener Bockstein that is generally available. I like it and drink it often.

Love the Hof wines!!!

[Robert.A.Jr]

Nik Weis St. Urbans HoF makes a not too sweet Kabinett from the Ockfener Bockstein that is generally available. I like it and drink it often.

Love the Hof wines!!!

[John_Glas]

Robert well done! The HOFF is a mega star in Germany. Many think he brought down the wall!

[Robert.A.Jr]

He makes Riesling ferment just by glaring at it with his dreamy eyes.

[R_Frankel]

Another way to avoid excessive sweetness is to drink older Kabinetts.

While I applaud this idea, my experience is that ‘older’ means pretty old - like 10+ years to see significant development. Challenge is finding these. I look all the time, and almost never see any trocken/kabinett/feinherb in the market more than a few years old (in the US). If anyone has any sources they’d like to share please do!

My wine cellar (I have one 1998 WS Kabinett from JJ Prum and a number of other Kabinetts and Spatlesen more than 10 years old)?

So kind of you to share your cellar. I’ll be by on Sunday with a few empty boxes .