Assistance choosing Burgundy from restaurant list

[ToddFrench]

@Jim_Anderson

Certainly there are large vintage variations at play here but I’m much more in the camp of drink village wines on the younger side. They’re plush and lovely when done well and I find that their upside is marginal compared to the potential downside of them getting worse, not better

I will be committing this to memory - one has to trust Jim Anderson on these things…

[MChang]

@Jim_Anderson

I drank a 16 Lafarge Volnay VS very recently. It was quite lovely. Certainly there are large vintage variations at play here but I’m much more in the camp of drink village wines on the younger side. They’re plush and lovely when done well and I find that their upside is marginal compared to the potential downside of them getting worse, not better. Perhaps the 13 is some not fully resolved bottle that hasn’t hit some unknown and likely unknowable apex but more likely it will be a very nice bottle of Volnay from an excellent producer.

I generally agree but would be more interested in drinking a 17-19 VS; I think 13 will be in an awkward phase.

[Jim_Anderson]

@MChang

@Jim_Anderson

I drank a 16 Lafarge Volnay VS very recently. It was quite lovely. Certainly there are large vintage variations at play here but I’m much more in the camp of drink village wines on the younger side. They’re plush and lovely when done well and I find that their upside is marginal compared to the potential downside of them getting worse, not better. Perhaps the 13 is some not fully resolved bottle that hasn’t hit some unknown and likely unknowable apex but more likely it will be a very nice bottle of Volnay from an excellent producer.

I generally agree but would be more interested in drinking a 17-19 VS; I think 13 will be in an awkward phase.

Not saying I’m right or wrong. Simply saying I have had enough way over the hill village wines at 15+ years to not worry about so called dumb phases. Would rather take my chances on a wine being less than perfect and getting something at least fresh and lively than something where the older stuff has crept in and it’s a shell of its former self. I had a 2005 VR village wine from M-G the other day that was lovely. It’s not going to get better and may have been wonderful 8 years ago as well.

[Jim_Anderson]

@ToddFrench

@Jim_Anderson

Certainly there are large vintage variations at play here but I’m much more in the camp of drink village wines on the younger side. They’re plush and lovely when done well and I find that their upside is marginal compared to the potential downside of them getting worse, not better

I will be committing this to memory - one has to trust Jim Anderson on these things…

Ha! No.

[MChang]

@Jim_Anderson

@MChang

@Jim_Anderson

I drank a 16 Lafarge Volnay VS very recently. It was quite lovely. Certainly there are large vintage variations at play here but I’m much more in the camp of drink village wines on the younger side. They’re plush and lovely when done well and I find that their upside is marginal compared to the potential downside of them getting worse, not better. Perhaps the 13 is some not fully resolved bottle that hasn’t hit some unknown and likely unknowable apex but more likely it will be a very nice bottle of Volnay from an excellent producer.

I generally agree but would be more interested in drinking a 17-19 VS; I think 13 will be in an awkward phase.

Not saying I’m right or wrong. Simply saying I have had enough way over the hill village wines at 15+ years to not worry about so called dumb phases. Would rather take my chances on a wine being less than perfect and getting something at least fresh and lively than something where the older stuff has crept in and it’s a shell of its former self. I had a 2005 VR village wine from M-G the other day that was lovely. It’s not going to get better and may have been wonderful 8 years ago as well.

Interesting; we opened that 05 MG VR at the goodfellow event and we all thought it was super tight.

2005 Mugneret Gibourg Vosne Romanee

I figured this would be tight and it certainly was. Didn’t open up very much until it was open for a couple hours but once it did it had some vosne spice and pretty aromatics with a bit of crunch, some transparency and a long finish. Beautiful. Not a blockbuster but such a joy to drink.

I think Fredric magnien is an underrated producer and that 10 charmes should be firing on all cylinders.

[jprusack]

i had an lafarge beune greves 2011 a few months back that wasnt up to the standard of their volnay wines. i dont think id get anything other than their volnays going forward.

i disagree about 2013 as a vintage. ive had several cdn and cdb bottles from 2013 (mostly 1er) this year that have surprised to the upside.

[MChang]

@jprusack

i had an lafarge beune greves 2011 a few months back that wasnt up to the standard of their volnay wines. i dont think id get anything other than their volnays going forward.

i disagree about 2013 as a vintage. ive had several cdn and cdb bottles from 2013 (mostly 1er) this year that have surprised to the upside.

I really like 2013, much more so than most people on this forum, but think the combination of lafarge and 2013 wouldn’t be my first choice, especially when there are several very nice 2010 options which is a much better vintage.

[Jay_Miller]

My first choice is the Burguet “Mes Favorites”, second is the Lafarge Volnay.

Though I’m sure both could use more time.

[John.V]

Lafarge or the JM Vincent

[Mike_C1]

Am curious if those recommending JM Vincent are doing so because of his recent vintages, which are excellent and more fine boned than earlier vintages.

Having had 2011 Lafarge, it just wasn’t that enjoyable.

[Keith_Levenberg]

I’ve been enjoying J-M Vincent since '09 and those wines were terrific (and still are)