Anyone else feel that Echézeaux is undervalued?

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I am neutral on this. For every great bottle of Echezeaux made I seem to encounter also a very poorly made one…

Recently had 1999 DRC Echezeaux and it was impressive. But its DRC from a superb vintage for DRC, what did you expect…

I have also tasted some DRC Echezeaux from other vintages that I was less enamoured with.

Comte Liger Belair makes a fabulous Echezeaux and a recently tasted Georges Noellat Echezeaux got me really excited. I also always like Rouget’s Echezeaux.

But I think Echezeaux suffers from the many owners it has. Forey’s Echezeaux never did it for me for instance, and there are many others.

The above focuses purely on producers though, guys like CLB make great stuff out of any material (almost). So is it the terroir or are the many mediocre producers out there? I guess it is more of the latter, although Echezeaux in my book is not ranked in the top half of grand cru terroirs and is often outclassed by various 1ers…

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+1

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How does Jean Marc Millot do with the Echezeaux? I have a 2007 hiding somewhere.

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I have had many great Echezeaux. A good number of not so good ones as well. In the DRC lineup it often surpasses GE imho. Did a complete horizontal of 1990 DRC direct from the cellars 2 years ago with Noblet. The Ech crushed the GE. Love Grivot.

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It can be a fine wine, but “undervalued” may be a stretch imo, at least to recent vintages of DRC or Rouget. Wine-searcher shows DRC last 5 vintages at around $800, the '99 at $1200, and Rouget’s recent top vintages around $500. But I agree that there are examples of Echezeaux that can be quite fine and undervalued. Haven’t opened a Grivot version yet.

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Friends,

i understand why the thread was introduced in the first place and I agree. Given the prices most grand crus fetch nowadays a great ECHEZEAUX comes on the “cheaper” side. However relative that may be you will get a truly great wine from the likes of LAMARCHE, GRIVOT, MILLOT, ARNOUX, ANNE GROS (her version may always be on the light side but it is always delicious. She receives much criticism even from neighbours and mainly because she also sells Minervois which is not something you look for at a first rate Burgundy domaine…). I would add the great ECHEZEAUX made by Daniel Bocquenet at bargain prices…it outperformed the DRC version in 91
SINCERELY JOHAN

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I have a few bottles of 2005 Echezeaux from a producer named Richard Manière. It was very highly recommended to me by a local retailer. I have only tasted another wine by Maniere when it was painfully young (as only 2005s could be) and have not touched any of my wines from him (I also have 2005 VR Suchots). Any experience with this producer’s Echezeaux?

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Only a few posts above your (admittedly from years ago) I also endorsed Bocquenet. Glad I am not the only one!

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Howard,

Richard Maniere seems not too keen on attracting publicity. His winery is located across the road from the little wine shop in Vosne and he own’s some prime vineyards, but I get the impression it’s doors do not open for the press or much other visitors. So it’s difficult to find information on this domaine. Years ago it was known as Maniere-Noirot, maybe that rings a bell.

The Echezeaux is from a 0,25 ha plot in the Poulailleres climat and the vines are right next too those of DRC, stretching just as far up the slope. It took me some effort to reconstruct this information; it all is quite obscure. I think this picture (taken last October) shows the Maniere plot, with the very young vines on the far left being the first row of DRC (that is, if DRC replanted a part of their Poulailleres some years ago, of which I am not certain). Anyway, this plot should be a prime source for Echezeaux.

So a good location of vines, from a long standing Vosne based Domaine. That sounds enticing, but unfortunately I know nothing of the viticulture or vinification.

I have Maniere Echezeaux from 2009, 2012 and 2013 in my cellar. I tasted the first two a year or two after being bottled. The 2009 was a big bruiser of an Echezeaux, the 2012 much more fruity and silky, but with good underlying structure. I liked them both and bought some more for cellaring. In my area it’s a comfortably affordable Echezeaux, which helped.

The 2005 should be a promising bottle for years to come.

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I was thinking, “yes, 10 years ago,” then noticed the OP started this thread in 2013. Not sure I can now agree. I don’t know any Burgundy vineyards that are undervalued, certain producers, yes, but not the vineyards overall. I think most are fairly valued or even overvalued. Look at Domaine des Perdrix Echezeaux for a good value, rarely mentioned on this board.

As for Grivot and Arnoux-Lachaux, I’d rather drink their Suchots for the money. Anne Gros, unless something is new recently, is over-oaked for my palate.

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Thanks for all the information. Hopefully, I will be in prime condition for years to come to drink my bottles when they are mature.

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The 15 Daniel rion is 157/btl at benchmark. That’s a pretty good price for a decent VR 1er these days.

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To pay 4K for RC again… :wink:

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Oh shit…time machine please! [wow.gif]

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I mean. U obviously loaded up on cases of that $1500 LT right??? :wink:

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Wow. I got a bottle (just one) of the 2009 Echezeaux for $325.