An easy pass either way as this isn’t really a good wine, some bitter GM’s…
Yep, hard to know which way to go on this stuff. On the one hand, sucks when you find a guy early in the ‘cycle’ and have access to some great wines at good prices, and then the world finds the guy and the prices go to the moon, even worse when the guy seeks out these additional buyers. On the other hand, he’s a businessman and I guess we should be happy that we got good value for at least a small period of time.
One of my favorite parts when people do the threads complaining about Premier Cru. Among so many other great bottles, they sold me 3 mags each of 1999 and 2002 Roumier ‘Amoureuses’ for $700 per mag, in late 2006. And delivered…
Love those guys…
I found the 11’ PYCM CC Santenay delivered for $25 (from PC), there are deals, just not that many…
And who says points aren’t important?
Fwiw, I sold the MG '11 villages at $69.
My first direct allocation…
That is a a very good price! Even if you were lucky enough to buy it at 18 euros(basically a good price in France HT) , the shipping would push is well past that price.
Nice grab. A REALLY nice wine too.
This is also a very good price.
Bought three bottles of the 85 Jayer CP for $1,699 per bottle in late 2004. I could have gotten three more but tried to get additional 10% discount and failed.
IMO, $1k for the 09 Rousseau Beze is more reasonable than the 09 Latour at the same price. It is all relative. Also there seems to be “hot” producers which everyone seem to chase.
Well that is heartening Rob, and correct me if I am wrong, but that would seem to support Kirk’s earlier reference to distributor mark-ups being a major influence on the type of pricing originally referenced. Also, like any wine, of course one can walk away…this particular email was striking because it implied the market was now around $100 for a known, but not particularly distinguished village burgundy. Would like to think there still is room to find “values” in 1ers and villages with a little effort and patience. Maybe so.
As far as Messr. Fourrier’s Chinese gambit, guess that explains why so little of his 2010 1ers ever seem to have made it to the usual U.S. outlets?
FWIW, I Just picked up a case of 2009 MG Vosne Romanee for US $60/bt about a month back in London.
In the 90’, most buyers want Rousseau Chambertin rather than Beze. Since I was a small buyer, naturally end up with bunch of Rousseau Beze. lol.
I posted before but during the 90s Dugat Charmes was more expensive than Rousseau Chambertin. Even now, I bet Rousseau Chambertin is less than 200 euros to the private clients.
Mark,
Fourrier is in big demand in the states as well. He also sells directly through auction. I don’t think the allocation of the 10s were significantly smaller than the 09s.
Thanks Kevin. I never saw availability of any of the 1ers I was interested in come along from the four sources of my previous 1er buys, but might well have been snoozing. Plus probably a little lazy as well on looking around elsewhere. And yes, although not actually via auction, but rather directly in the secondary market that I have acquired quite a bit of prior vintages.
On a cursory glance, it still seems to be the '09s that are in the most abundance as compared to the '10s. But not complaining; glad to have what I have.
Chiu, Interesting about demand for Chambertin vs Beze, as Beze can be called Chambertin but not the other way around (implying that Beze is better)!
Kevin. $1,700 for '85 Jayer ‘Cros P’. Wow. But trying to remember back to '04, the beginnings of CellarTracker, only a few years after the '00 Bordeaux futures campaign. Amazing to think about all the wines that were ‘cheap’ then. '00 Bordeaux 1st growths sold for $200 per, back in '02/'03. '99 La Tache was easy to find at sub $600 back in '03 or earlier. Crazy.
I remember during the '05 Burg campaign being offered a massive list of Roumier. I think multiple cases of Bonnes Mares and Amoureuses, tons of Cras and village wines, could even have had a little Moose in there. I down bid by 15% and the lot was gone in 5 seconds. I had first look, screwed around, and it was gone. And the prices were good… Ah well…
Well . . . they never did deliver my bottles of '02 Amoureuses.
I actually have a big order of the 09 DRCs at PC which is long overdue. It was so much fun buying from PC in those days!
Consider $200 Bords (I was buying these) and $600 bottles of Burg as “Crazy.” Crazy cheap, that is. Makes you reconsider the meaning of the word “crazy”?
There’s an old ‘Seinfeld’ episode when Elaine discovers that her favorite form of birth control, the sponge, was going to be discontinued. She hoarded a good supply, but then became worried before every encounter, whether the guy was ‘sponge worthy’, as it would diminish her irreplaceable holdings.
I think about this a lot in relation to my Rousseau holdings. I’ve done well over time, have maybe 25+ cases of Rousseau wines, mostly the ‘big 3’, along with a smattering of the others. But at present prices, all are ‘irreplaceable’. So if I choose to pull out a 1999 or 2002 ‘CSJ’ for some dinner, I have to ask; Is this dinner ‘Rousseau Worthy’??? At a bottle a month, I can only last 26 years. I’m 53, so I’ll be ‘out’ at 79. What if I live to 90? Got to slow down to a bottle every 6-7 weeks to be ok, every 8 weeks to be sure!!