A night at Bern's Steakhouse

[Eric_Reichenbach]

@Scott Butler

@Marc Frontario

Well done…never heard of this bordeaux and the charbono is an interesting grape I would like to try more of…think I have only tasted Foley’s …can’t say I am a huge fan of '74 inglenook…way too medicinal, seemed laced with iodine and mecuricome when I tasted it.

cheers

Foley made that 74 Ingelnook Charbono…I think. Are you saying you tried that same wine? This was not medicinal at all.

For the record, Foley did not make that wine.

[Howard_Cooper]

@Scott Butler

Thanks! I have a limited wine budget, so I don’t buy much in the way of Bordeaux and Burgundy,

I believe that this is a mistake, esp. with Bordeaux. There are a lot of really well priced Bordeauxs, as you found with the 61. The key is finding a retailer who knows them, not having a big wine budget. For Burgundy, look to good producers in appellations like Santenay, Beaune (Gaunoux makes a nice village Beaune for example), St. Aubin (for white) and the Cotes du Chalonaise (e.g., Rully, Givry, Mercury). Not everything is priced like Latour and Romanee Conti and these have been the best wine regions in the world for 500-1000 years for a reason.

And, you live in Chicago so if you want great value in red or white Burgundy, go to Flickingers during a sale and get Dublere.

[Robert.A.Jr]

@Howard Cooper

@Scott Butler

Thanks! I have a limited wine budget, so I don’t buy much in the way of Bordeaux and Burgundy,

I believe that this is a mistake, esp. with Bordeaux. There are a lot of really well priced Bordeauxs, as you found with the 61. The key is finding a retailer who knows them, not having a big wine budget. For Burgundy, look to good producers in appellations like Santenay, Beaune (Gaunoux makes a nice village Beaune for example), St. Aubin (for white) and the Cotes du Chalonaise (e.g., Rully, Givry, Mercury). Not everything is priced like Latour and Romanee Conti and these have been the best wine regions in the world for 500-1000 years for a reason.

Scott, Howard is right. You can still find plenty of classic Bordeaux, some with age on them, for very good prices. For example, the 2010 Cantemerle, most any vintage of Sociando Mallet and even more recent vintages like 2014 had many Classified Growths at $50 and under. This year I have also done a lot of backfilling at all price points, but for your budget, in the under $60 range, I grabbed 1983 Cantemerle, 1986 Sociando, 1989 Chasse Spleen, 2000 La Louviere and various others. These are very good wines with excellent typicity, drinking very well right now at fair prices. I have also backfilled on various vintages of Lanessan in the 1990s, at a max of $25 each. Bordeaux is not all about the hyped wines.

[Marc_Frontario]

@Scott Butler

@Marc Frontario

Well done…never heard of this bordeaux and the charbono is an interesting grape I would like to try more of…think I have only tasted Foley’s …can’t say I am a huge fan of '74 inglenook…way too medicinal, seemed laced with iodine and mecuricome when I tasted it.

cheers

Foley made that 74 Ingelnook Charbono…I think. Are you saying you tried that same wine? This was not medicinal at all.

Sorry…I was refencing the 74 inglenook cab…my mistake

[Scott_Butler]

@Marc Frontario

@Scott Butler

@Marc Frontario

Well done…never heard of this bordeaux and the charbono is an interesting grape I would like to try more of…think I have only tasted Foley’s …can’t say I am a huge fan of '74 inglenook…way too medicinal, seemed laced with iodine and mecuricome when I tasted it.

cheers

Foley made that 74 Ingelnook Charbono…I think. Are you saying you tried that same wine? This was not medicinal at all.

Sorry…I was refencing the 74 inglenook cab…my mistake

Ahh, no worries I thought Foley made the Charbono, but naturally I could have had my vintages wrong. The 75 Ingelnook Cab was very nice. Never tried the 74.

[Scott_Butler]

@Robert Alfert

@Howard Cooper

@Scott Butler

Thanks! I have a limited wine budget, so I don’t buy much in the way of Bordeaux an
d Burgundy,

I believe that this is a mistake, esp. with Bordeaux. There are a lot of really well priced Bordeauxs, as you found with the 61. The key is finding a retailer who knows them, not having a big wine budget. For Burgundy, look to good producers in appellations like Santenay, Beaune (Gaunoux makes a nice village Beaune for example), St. Aubin (for white) and the Cotes du Chalonaise (e.g., Rully, Givry, Mercury). Not everything is priced like Latour and Romanee Conti and these have been the best wine regions in the world for 500-1000 years for a reason.

Scott, Howard is right. You can still find plenty of classic Bordeaux, some with age on them, for very good prices. For example, the 2010 Cantemerle, most any vintage of Sociando Mallet and even more recent vintages like 2014 had many Classified Growths at $50 and under. This year I have also done a lot of backfilling at all price points, but for your budget, in the under $60 range, I grabbed 1983 Cantemerle, 1986 Sociando, 1989 Chasse Spleen, 2000 La Louviere and various others. These are very good wines with excellent typicity, drinking very well right now at fair prices. I have also backfilled on various vintages of Lanessan in the 1990s, at a max of $25 each. Bordeaux is not all about the hyped wines.

Interesting, I didn’t know all that. I guess I need to do some homework there.

[Howard_Cooper]

@Scott Butler

@Robert Alfert

@Howard Cooper

I believe that this is a mistake, esp. with Bordeaux. There are a lot of really well priced Bordeauxs, as you found with the 61. The key is finding a retailer who knows them, not having a big wine budget. For Burgundy, look to good producers in appellations like Santenay, Beaune (Gaunoux makes a nice village Beaune for example), St. Aubin (for white) and the Cotes du Chalonaise (e.g., Rully, Givry, Mercury). Not everything is priced like Latour and Romanee Conti and these have been the best wine regions in the world for 500-1000 years for a reason.

Scott, Howard is right. You can still find plenty of classic Bordeaux, some with age on them, for very good prices. For example, the 2010 Cantemerle, most any vintage of Sociando Mallet and even more recent vintages like 2014 had many Classified Growths at $50 and under. This year I have also done a lot of backfilling at all price points, but for your budget, in the under $60 range, I grabbed 1983 Cantemerle, 1986 Sociando, 1989 Chasse Spleen, 2000 La Louviere and various others. These are very good wines with excellent typicity, drinking very well right now at fair prices. I have also backfilled on various vintages of Lanessan in the 1990s, at a max of $25 each. Bordeaux is not all about the hyped wines.

Interesting, I didn’t know all that. I guess I need to do some homework there.

A couple of good threads to help you get started:

Consolidated off-the-beaten-path Burgundy TNs

Traditional vs. Modern Bordeaux?

Robert, is there a better recent thread on value Bordeaux?