A classification, vintages and impressions of Loire reds

Yea the commentary seems all over the map, so subjective. Sounds like the critics love 2018. I am finding it quite ripe.

Here are my very simplified thoughts:

2013 - generally a weak vintage

2014 - classic, balanced vintage, load up

2015 - a riper vintage, stick with classic producers

2016 - a solid vintage

2018 - on my sampling, riper than 2015, buy selectively and stick with classic producers.

The 2014 vintage is one of my fave vintages period.

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Thanks. That is very helpful. Would love to buy more 2014 Baudry… not easy to find in Europe though. Just happy i have two more 2014 La Croix Boissée.

I agree with Robert mostly, but just a few other observations and vintages:

2011 - mostly quite lean, with one or two exceptions (Clos de L’Echo by Couly Dutheil springs to mind - overripe and syrupy)

2012 - much the same as most 2011s, some crisp, acidic wines which lack a little ripeness, but great if you enjoy the leaner type of CF.

2013 - one or two wines are OK (eg Chevalerie Grand Mont) but really, this is a vintage to avoid - mostly green, unripe and a poor QPR.

2014 - a classic for Loire geeks, it has the ripeness lacking in the previous three, but not as much as the 2015.

2015 - ripe, but not excessively so and well worth looking at, it’s a good long-term bet

2016 - similar to 2014, perhaps slightly riper, very promising

2017 - again, similar to 2014 and 2016 but the wines I have tried so far are just a smidgen riper than in 2016. Wines from some producers, like Yannick Amirault, are exceptional. It’s a vintage I’m still loading up on since the prices remain low.

2018 - as Robert says, this is riper than 2015 and of course 2014, 2016 and 2017. I agree that it is best to stick to the top names - the wines I have tried from Roches-Neuves or Baudry have been breath-takingly good but there are some gloopy wines from others.

2019 - I’ve only tried three wines so far but my initial impression is that this is slightly less exuberant than 2018.

One important thing to watch is the alcohol levels, especially in the riper vintages, but overall, since 2014 there has never been a better time to buy Loire reds.

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Very helpful, thank you. I will focus on Baudry for now. Sounds like it is good wine in all vintages.

And when money allows for it i will start looking at other producers. I have been drinking so many Loire wines over the past few years. But for some reason never really CF’s. The only other CF wine in my collection is a 2016 Sanzay Les Poyeux :pensive:

By the way. How does Les Clos Guillot compare to La Croix Boissée? Found a ton of 16’s at a good price…

Antoine Sanzay is not too shabby!

There are quite a few TNs and comments upstream in the thread - IMHO not quite as good but well worth getting especially if the price is right.

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The '16 Guillot is excellent.

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Thanks Brian. I will grab a 6-pack in my next order then :slightly_smiling_face:

It’s quite Burgundian compared to every Boissee I’ve ever had. Those are my two favorite Baudry bottlings, although they are wildly different.

Opened a 2016 Baudry Guillot (Bought eight bottles). It was a bit akward on day one. But it is now singing on day two! Even more excited about Baudry now. Cannot wait to see how they perform with more age.

Going to open a 2018 La Croix Boissée and 2019 Grezeaux soon to get a feel for the warmer vintages.

I agree they are wildly different as the vineyards are different in exposition and soil type. I find the Guillot to be more like right bank Bordeaux than Burgundy. The tempermental, limestone inflected fruit of the Croix Boissée remind me more of Burgundy. But maybe you mean the silkyness of the Guillot reminds you of Burgundy?

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The Guillot usually comes across as silkier – yes – but also leaner and more light on its feet than does the Boissee. The Boissee tends to strike me as very L Bank Bdx-esque, structurally, if not also a bit flavor-wise, too.

I love them all.

Hey all, I have been an avid drinker of Olga Raffault Les Picasses for years, but you boys/gals have gotten me interested in trying some of Baudrys wines. What is the main difference between Bernard Baudry Chinon Le Clos Guillot, and Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grezeaux? How similar/dissimilar is the Guillot to the Grezeaux?

Hey all, I have been an avid drinker of Olga Raffault Les Picasses for years, but you boys/gals have gotten me interested in trying some of Baudrys wines. What is the main difference between Bernard Baudry Chinon Le Clos Guillot, and Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grezeaux? How similar/dissimilar is the Guillot to the Grezeaux?

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Opened a '15 Olga Raffault Les Picasses last night. Think it needs a day for the funk to blow off. Might be some low level TCA? Forever unclean.

Robert has much more experience of these wines than I do, but I’ll have a try anyway: for me, Le Clos Guillot is usually bright, ripe, plenty of fruit, easy to drink young but ages well, very refined and elegant. I wouldn’t say it is like the Olga Raffault, which needs a lot more time and which can seem a bit dull young. Les Grézeaux I think is less “pretty”, with a bit more bass in the mix, perhaps closer in style to the Picasses - and very impressive after several years’ cellaring.

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Opened a 2018 La Croix Boissée and 2019 Grézeaux. The fruit is to the riper side as expected, but they are well balanced wines with enough acidity to carry it. Good wines that just need a few years now.

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I’d certainly say Baudry is more tannic when young, Olga perhaps a bit earthier and more acidic.

I love both of them.

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