2019 bordeaux

[Paul_abbott]

I bought a few St Estèphe, one of which Les Ormes de Pez was advertised by the Wine Society at 14% but is now 14.5 according to Jancis.

[Mark_Golodetz]

Jeff,
You wrote “we”. Who is “we?” And is the scoring your notes or is there input from others?

[Jeff_Leve]

I bought a few St Estèphe, one of which Les Ormes de Pez was advertised by the Wine Society at 14% but is now 14.5 according to Jancis.

That assumes either, or both copied the info correctly. You would need to contact Ormes de Pez and ask. I have a bottle here someplace, I think, but I could not find it.

[Mark_Golodetz]

I saw one listing for Cheval where the bottles in a six bottle case were 13.5% alcohol and loose bottles were 14%

[Jeff_Leve]

Jeff,
You wrote “we”. Who is “we?” And is the scoring your notes or is there input from others?

No, only me for the notes. But for these big tastings, I have volunteer assistants helping me open and pour. It is a massive undertaking to manage 750 or more bottles, schedule Zooms, organize the flights, pop, pour, write notes, edit notes, take pics, post articles etc. I could not do this without help. They are all credited in the articles on my site.

[Mark_Golodetz]

Thanks

[Adam_W1]

I was just contemplating buying a couple more cases of ‘19 and this thread pushed me over the edge

[MChang]

I really regret not buying more VCC

[R_Frankel]

I jumped in for a case of 2019 EP for the first time since 2012. I’ve sat out because of the (then) trend of EP no longer being a discount to release prices. 2019 drew me in because of price and quality.

Anyway, I bought some Beau Sejour Becot, Haut Bailly, Lynch Bages, Clinet and Pichon Lalande. The PLL is already up a lot, the Clinet a bit and the others not at all. I’ll be curious to see how or if the market moves.

[Vince_T]

I jumped in for a case of 2019 EP for the first time since 2012. I’ve sat out because of the (then) trend of EP no longer being a discount to release prices. 2019 drew me in because of price and quality.

Anyway, I bought some Beau Sejour Becot, Haut Bailly, Lynch Bages, Clinet and Pichon Lalande. The PLL is already up a lot, the Clinet a bit and the others not at all. I’ll be curious to see how or if the market moves.

Lunch Bages is up too. $86 at EP, now $115.

[MChang]

I jumped in for a case of 2019 EP for the first time since 2012. I’ve sat out because of the (then) trend of EP no longer being a discount to release prices. 2019 drew me in because of price and quality.

Anyway, I bought some Beau Sejour Becot, Haut Bailly, Lynch Bages, Clinet and Pichon Lalande. The PLL is already up a lot, the Clinet a bit and the others not at all. I’ll be curious to see how or if the market moves.

Lunch Bages is up too. $86 at EP, now $115.

Does it come with food?

[Jeff_Leve]

I really regret not buying more VCC

It’s 250 ish. How much was it before ?

Regardless, it’s a stellar vintage of VCC and it’s still the lowest priced, high-quality VCC available today. If you have the money and like VCC, grab it.

[MChang]

I really regret not buying more VCC

It’s 250 ish. How much was it before ?

Regardless, it’s a stellar vintage of VCC and it’s still the lowest priced, high-quality VCC available today. If you have the money and like VCC, grab it.

I did get some; it was like 180 before

[crickey]

I really regret not buying more VCC

It’s 250 ish. How much was it before ?

Regardless, it’s a stellar vintage of VCC and it’s still the lowest priced, high-quality VCC available today. If you have the money and like VCC, grab it.

I did get some; it was like 180 before

The initial release price in the US was around $225.

[Neal.Mollen]

Before the 2019 primeur campaign, the last time the Bordelais reduced prices was 2008. Decent but not great reviews (apart from Gilman) they were cheap, and hard to sell. Chinese and other Far Eastern buyers entered the market, and they became scarcer and much more expensive.

They also got burnt when they reduced prices so drastically with the 2019 vintage. The early releases were low enough to encourage buying, so later releases came in far closer to 2018 pricing. My point from that long preamble, is that the Bordelais are unlikely to ever go down in price again for a great vintage.

There are still a few wines left over at close to the original release price, and if you have any spare cash, you should be buying the likes of Montrose and Palmer. With prices poised for an increase after a short crop of the 2021s, which I understand to be a tough vintage, backfilling makes perfect sense.

Interesting that none of the usual suspects (other than Jane Anson) reviewed the '19 Montrose. Any idea why?

[crickey]

Before the 2019 primeur campaign, the last time the Bordelais reduced prices was 2008. Decent but not great reviews (apart from Gilman) they were cheap, and hard to sell. Chinese and other Far Eastern buyers entered the market, and they became scarcer and much more expensive.

They also got burnt when they reduced prices so drastically with the 2019 vintage. The early releases were low enough to encourage buying, so later releases came in far closer to 2018 pricing. My point from that long preamble, is that the Bordelais are unlikely to ever go down in price again for a great vintage.

There are still a few wines left over at close to the original release price, and if you have any spare cash, you should be buying the likes of Montrose and Palmer. With prices poised for an increase after a short crop of the 2021s, which I understand to be a tough vintage, backfilling makes perfect sense.

Interesting that none of the usual suspects (other than Jane Anson) reviewed the '19 Montrose. Any idea why?

No en primeur tastings, and Montrose didn’t release it to critics outside of Bordeaux. Jane Anson lives there.

[Neal.Mollen]

Before the 2019 primeur campaign, the last time the Bordelais reduced prices was 2008. Decent but not great reviews (apart from Gilman) they were cheap, and hard to sell. Chinese and other Far Eastern buyers entered the market, and they became scarcer and much more expensive.

They also got burnt when they reduced prices so drastically with the 2019 vintage. The early releases were low enough to encourage buying, so later releases came in far closer to 2018 pricing. My point from that long preamble, is that the Bordelais are unlikely to ever go down in price again for a great vintage.

There are still a few wines left over at close to the original release price, and if you have any spare cash, you should be buying the likes of Montrose and Palmer. With prices poised for an increase after a short crop of the 2021s, which I understand to be a tough vintage, backfilling makes perfect sense.

Interesting that none of the usual suspects (other than Jane Anson) reviewed the '19 Montrose. Any idea why?

No en primeur tastings, and Montrose didn’t release it to critics outside of Bordeaux. Jane Anson lives there.

I figured the plague meant no big en primeur festivities, but if Jeff gets bdx wines delivered to his estate in LA for tasting I figured lesser lights might as well.

[Neal.Mollen]

For those who are interested: wine.com has the Montrose for $137/bottle, and if you have a platinum (or gold?) Amex card you probably have a $30 off $100 purchase deal available. $107/bottle looks to be a pretty good price for the wine.

I was tempted, but the 2000 Montrose still isn’t close to being ready; at my age, and given my preferences for aged wine, this makes no sense

[Jeff_Leve]

Before the 2019 primeur campaign, the last time the Bordelais reduced prices was 2008. Decent but not great reviews (apart from Gilman) they were cheap, and hard to sell. Chinese and other Far Eastern buyers entered the market, and they became scarcer and much more expensive.

They also got burnt when they reduced prices so drastically with the 2019 vintage. The early releases were low enough to encourage buying, so later releases came in far closer to 2018 pricing. My point from that long preamble, is that the Bordelais are unlikely to ever go down in price again for a great vintage.

There are still a few wines left over at close to the original release price, and if you have any spare cash, you should be buying the likes of Montrose and Palmer. With prices poised for an increase after a short crop of the 2021s, which I understand to be a tough vintage, backfilling makes perfect sense.

Interesting that none of the usual suspects (other than Jane Anson) reviewed the '19 Montrose. Any idea why?

No en primeur tastings, and Montrose didn’t release it to critics outside of Bordeaux. Jane Anson lives there.

Montrose did not ship barrel samples. But I do have a bottle of 2019 Montrose in my St. Estephe section waiting to be tasted.

[crickey]

Interesting that none of the usual suspects (other than Jane Anson) reviewed the '19 Montrose. Any idea why?

No en primeur tastings, and Montrose didn’t release it to critics outside of Bordeaux. Jane Anson lives there.

Montrose did not ship barrel samples. But I do have a bottle of 2019 Montrose in my St. Estephe section waiting to be tasted.

Yes, I meant the barrel samples. I look forward to your review.