That you want to troll here makes the point. Someone wants to talk about 2012 Burgundies and there are most posts shutting him down, trolling him, telling him he is wrong - than talking about 2012 Burgundies. It’s all bad for the board.
I am sorry for upsetting you. I agree that no one has the right to say what can and can’t be discussed. It was propsed to have a separate thread for every vintage. I didn’t think that was a good idea and explained why. Paul or anyone else is still welcome to start those threads. Who knows? I could be dead wrong and tney are a great idea.
Your desire to.stand up for people’s rights is admirable. I will consider the accusation of bullying, just as I considered the accusation of snobbery the other day. I try to be on balance a positive voice here, and am more than willing to admit I may not always be successful
Thanks for your feedback.
I think the point of message boards is that they self police. If you made dozens of threads on various topics on reddit you’re going to get savaged and rightly so. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to make threads from time to time if you have a question or bump threads occasionally, and i think people do it all the time This particular poster does it incessantly, in addition to asking numerous questions on topics that have been discussed ad nauesum and I think it’s detrimental to discussion.
Many/most burg vintages already have dedicated threads. I was just filling a hole with 2012.
I find these threads helpful because the information is focused — mostly folks just talk about that vintage. When you try to get a discussion going on a large general thread, it’s often anything but focused. A little bit of helpful dialogue comes in on the subject, then a guy chimes in with tasting notes on a bottle he had the other night, a few folks splinter off to talk about that bottle or others they have tried that are related to it. Then someone asks if _______ producer is going to be at the Paulee this year, more discussion on that. Before you know it your original discussion is buried before it even got started. It doesn’t happen this way every time but it happens often.
Vintage specific threads in Burgundy are my personal favorite threads on Burgundy. I enjoy Michael’s thread to discuss all vintages, but I believe there is content lost in that approach. I’d prefer 100 posts discussing 2012 - which is more likely to get into who did well, who did not, aging arcs, weather patterns, which micro climates did well etc. A thread on 2014 would be more useful to me than the sporadic discussion on the master thread - I suspect 2014s are starting to open and would like to see all datapoints on that realtime to see the inflection once it comes.
I wasn’t upset, so much as frustrated - and I’m sorry for getting frustrated. I quickly edited my post and removed the “bullying” reference - but edits can be seen now even if its 30 seconds later (!). I do think its a bad development when people feel the need to justify why they are posting, to be defensive at the outset and then defend repeatedly in the thread itself. It’s happened on many other threads… it just happened to happen here when I was curious about 2012!
In any case, I’ve now contributed to the thread hijack as well.
I don’t necessarily think there’s an issue with a 2012 burgundy thread, just want to stop incessant thread propagation. That said, I think if there’s good discussion it’s fine and much better than bumping dead old threads.
JMT Bouley Cuvee Leonie. Hail damaged vintage so Bouley combined Rugiens and Fremier, his top two cuvees. Very different cuvees from each other IMHO. The wine is a moderate success, but a bit hard and needs time to soften up. I think a function of vintage, combining two cuvees for a new experiment and also Bouley’s wine making style back then (today I find his wines to be more concentrated and softer). So I’m holding off on trying next one for a couple of years.
Lucien Le Moin Clos de la Roche. Cellartracker notes loved the young fruit and toasty oak. Not quite sure where the wines are today. I assume the fruit is less exuberant, and oak still needs time to integrate. So not touching these, but watching what others are saying about 2012 here and on CT