2005 red burgundy regional and low-end village wines

[Ben_Goldwyn]

Sounds like another good idea for a tasting

[Berry_Crawford]

@Ben Goldwyn

Sounds like another good idea for a tasting

speaking of which, did you see the invite for the champagne tasting?

[Larry_Stein]

I’ve had Bourgogne Cuvee de Pressonnier, Joseph Roty and Bourgogne Hautes Cotes de Nuits, Michel Gros in the past couple of months. The last glass was the best one after the wines had been opened for several hours. I’ll pop another of each in a year or so.

I still have a bottle of Bourgogne Hautes Cotes de Nuits, Gros Freres in the drinking queue.

All of these were Premier Cru markdowns, priced in the mid-teens.

[Tom_Blach]

@Rick Gregory

I wouldn’t assume that just because a wine isn’t from a heralded commune like Vosne or Gevrey it will be ready that much sooner. Well stored 1993 Savigny 1er crus are mature now… but were primary 7 years in. Certainly drink up some Bourgogne, Cote du Nuits Village, etc, but at 6 years most quality village wines and 1er crus will need more time to show development. My rule of thumb is not to check until 12-15 years in for any 1er cru.

Tom - I’m not sure i buy the idea that they’re recovering from bottling at 6 years post vintage and, what, 3 or 4 post bottling?

I completely agree with your first paragraph. As regards the second I’d substitute’have recovered’ for ‘are recovering’ and then it would make sense to someone who may have last tried the wine in question two years ago, for example.

[Tom_Blach]

@Berry Crawford

@B. Buzzini

@Gus McCrae

Maybe not exactly what you are looking but I had Jadot Pernand-Vergelesses 1er Cru Caradeux Clos de la Croix de Pierre last week. It is becoming more approachable and rounding off some of the earlier rough edges with the fruit becoming more defined. This wine as a steal in the high $20’s and I can’t remember a more mineral burgundy for the price. Great juice!

Just picked up a case of the '07 from Envoyer for $17…looking forward to trying this!

I got some from that deal as well. Hard to resist the price.

A tremendous wine, and one that in weaker vintages provides wonderful early drinking.

[Kent_Comley]

Over the last few weeks have consumed…
05 JC Boisset Santenay Clos Rousseau 1er - starting to shed its tannins, rich and quite superb already.
05 Daniel Rion Vosne-Romanee - this was a surprise, has softened markedly, now showing some secondary nuance, almost ready to go.

On reflection, the last year or so has seen some significant positive evolution at this level.

Cheers,
Kent

[Berry_Crawford]

@Tom Blach

@Berry Crawford

@B. Buzzini

Just picked up a case of the '07 from Envoyer for $17…looking forward to trying this!

I got some from that deal as well. Hard to resist the price.

A tremendous wine, and one that in weaker vintages provides wonderful early drinking.

Good to hear. I don’t think Ive tried it in any vintage

[A_Songeur]

They will still improve but I have enjoyed Roty pressoniers, Potel Beaune 1er vignes franches and Grivot Nuits Charmois but Grivot bourgogne not approchable,… Generally trying to drink other years…

[Peter_Chiu]

@Lewis Dawson

I’m not one to age village wines and regional wines a long time, although I do admit many of them would be better if I did wait 12-15 years for villages and 9-10+ for Bourgogne (from a year such as 2005). Having said that, most all of the 2005 villages and lower I have had in the last year have begged for more time. They tend to be open and OK for assessing the future favorable outlook, but too young for really enjoyable drinking, IMO.

Very lazy to write…so I borrow Lew’s message and would like to add the followings :

I bought approx. 50 cases ( of 12 - most of them in promotion sales - 10% off - by SAQ ) of the lowly red Burg from vintage 2005…for daily drinking.

Most of them are Faiveley Mercurey including : CdMyglands, La Framboisere; Les Mauvarennes ( 99 bs ) and CdBeaune. I also bought CdBeane - Jadot and also CdBeaune Bouchard, Chateau de Chamirey - Mercurey ( 71 bs ) and many prodocuers’ Santenays. Plus many Pern-Verg village and 1ieme.

My best buy ( for me ) is 61 bs of : C. Audoin - Marsannay - La Charme aux Prêtres 05.

Bourghound only started to review Charles Audion’s Marsannay ( please note there is no 1ieme in Marsannay ) since vintage 2007. For vintage 2009…he placed nearly all his Marsannay in the Top-Valuve Column ( all rated 90-92 or 90-93 point )…and said in his Review that they are screaming bargain. He said Audoin’s Marsannay - La Charme aux Pretres 09 is not for everyone as it was 100% whole clusters and there are only 600 bs made each years.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Berry Crawford

Has anyone opened some well stored examples latley? Have these budged any or are they still totally closed? I feel a bit silly asking since the price of admission is low enough so I should check for myself but all these are burried deep at an offsite storage.

Oh…in my previous post I forget to answer Berry’s question.

I have been tracking them since release. Most them started to close down from last Fall. Since then I put them all aside on one side of my cellar.

I will start to check on the CdBeaune and Santennay village …periodically… starting at 2012.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Steven Lawrence

Berry,

I’m barely touching any '05 red burgs yet, as a result of these I’ve sampled in the past year:

Rossignol-Trapet Gevrey-Chambertin - somewhat accessible, though probably needs a lot of air
Truchot Bourgogne - still very tight and primary but slightly evolved from a bottle opened in 2009
Drouhin Chorey-Les-Beaune - drank fairly well, albeit with upside potential
Maume Gevrey-Chambertin “Aux Etelois” - hardly budging, very primary

I have been buying R-Trapet Chambert and his G-Chambertin for the last few years as his Chambertin is the only Chambertin or CdBese which are under CSD $200 in Quebec. The 05 village is defintely closed down now and also the 06. I would not open another until they are at age 8 or age 10 for 2005.

Rossignol-Trapet Gevrey-Chambertin - somewhat accessible

[Brady_Daniels]

Okay, i’ll be contrarian. I’ve enjoyed the 2005’s I’ve had recently, and not just from a science experiment perspective. There’s a concentration in them, not seen in any vintage since, that is really enjoyable. Are they still mostly primary? Sure. Are they closed to the point of displeasure? Not in my book. Maybe I’ve just been lucky. Two recent examples were Guyon Chamolle Musigny Clos du Village Domaine du Village and Jayer-Gilles Cotes de Nuits Villages. Both punched well above their weight class.

[Jim_Anderson]

I ripped through all my Lafarge '05 Bourgogne and Passetoutgrains within about 18 months of receiving it. Drank great. 375s of Comte Armand Volnay likewise saw a similar fate (and that wine was really, really good). Other bottlings that I usually have liked have not shown superbly (M-G Bourgogne, Arlot Clos de Chapeau for instance). I don’t have anything else that I am planning on breaking out for awhile at this point.

[Chris_Seiber]

Okay, this thread has piqued my interest a bit. Here are some less expensive 2005 leftovers from two local shops. Anyone spot any strong buy recommendations in here, or can my credit card breathe a sigh of relief that I missed most of the 05 village Burg buying frenzy?

DOMAINE DENIS 2005 PERNAND VERGELESSES 2005 PINOT NOIR
(FRANCE) 750 $27.99
add to cart $335.88
add a case Limited Availability
BELLAND 2005 POMMARD LES CRAS 2005 PINOT NOIR
(FRANCE) 750 $29.99
add to cart $359.88
add a case Limited Availability
CHAUVENET CHOPIN 2005 NUITS VILLAGES 2005 PINOT NOIR
(FRANCE) 750 $29.99
add to cart $359.88
add a case Limited Availability
DOMAINE DENIS 2005 SAVIGNY LES BEAUNE 2005 PINOT NOIR
(FRANCE) 750 $29.99
add to cart $359.88
add a case Limited Availability
JAYER GILLES 2005 HAUTES COTES DE BEAUNE 2005 PINOT NOIR
(FRANCE) 750 $39.99
add to cart $479.88
add a case Limited Availability


MACON VILLAGES 2005 “LA ROCHE-VV” GREFFIERE
Our Price: $12.95

DOMAINE DE MEIX-FOULOT 2005 MERCUREY 1ER CRU LES VELEYS
Our Price: $34.95

MARSANNAY 2005 “CHAMPS PERDRIX” GEANTET-PANSIOT
Our Price: $39.95

DOMAINE MALTROYE 2005 CHASSAGNE MONRACHET ROUGE “BOUDRIOTTES”
Our Price: $44.95

[Steven_Lawrence]

@Peter Chiu

My best buy ( for me ) is 61 bs of : C. Audoin - Marsannay - La Charme aux Prêtres 05.

Bourghound only started to review Charles Audion’s Marsanny ( please note there is no 1ieme in Marsanny ) since vintage 2007. For vintage 2009…he placed nearly all his Marsannay in the Top-Valuve Column ( all rated 90-92 or 90-93 point )…and said in his Review that they are screaming bargain. He said Audoin’s Marsanny - La Charme aux Pretres 09 is not for everyone as it was 100% whole clusters and there are only 600 bs made each years.

Peter,
You have 10% of the world’s supply of this wine?? Holy smokes!

[Lewis_Dawson]

@Chris Seiber

Okay, this thread has piqued my interest a bit. Here are some less expensive 2005 leftovers from two local shops. Anyone spot any strong buy recommendations in here, or can my credit card breathe a sigh of relief that I missed most of the 05 village Burg buying frenzy?

Chris, in the SoCal hotbed of Burgundy retailing, I think you can do a lot better if you will talk to a few Burg oriented retailers about what you are trying to do.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Steven Lawrence

@Peter Chiu

My best buy ( for me ) is 61 bs of : C. Audoin - Marsannay - La Charme aux Prêtres 05.

Bourghound only started to review Charles Audion’s Marsanny ( please note there is no 1ieme in Marsanny ) since vintage 2007. For vintage 2009…he placed nearly all his Marsannay in the Top-Valuve Column ( all rated 90-92 or 90-93 point )…and said in his Review that they are screaming bargain. He said Audoin’s Marsanny - La Charme aux Pretres 09 is not for everyone as it was 100% whole clusters and there are only 600 bs made each years.

Peter,
You have 10% of the world’s supply of this wine?? Holy smokes!

The wine counsellors at Signature did not like the wine when it was released. I got one b at full price and tried it. Admittedly the wine tasted very rustic on first day …but round-off the next day. Thanks for tips from Burghound for his TNs on the 2009 version. I took 60 bs at 10% off. In a way…the other wines from C. Audoin tasted more round and smother…and they are only at CAD $35 per.

As of last evening, SAQ web showed there were still 61 bs left. Doubtful it will be there long as SAQ will do 10% promotion sale on 16-17 of April.