10 out of 12 stores sold alcohol to underage drinkers

WINE TALK
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I remember not so long ago the WSWA’s principal argument for not allowing wine to cross state lines is that minors could more easily order their Lafite online, while if they went to stores, the clerks are much more vigilant. Hmm!


http://pleasantville.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/report-underage-drinking-sting-leads-to-the-arrest-of-10-hudson-valley-clerks52309

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The WSWA’s (check your spelling on that) argument is definitely BS, but I think it’s extremely rare for an area to have that kind of failure rate. They do a lot of those stings around here, and hardly anyone sells to the minors. 10/12 is ridiculously bad. Still, I always ask people using that argument why a delivery person, probably better paid and better trained than a store clerk, is any less able to check someone’s ID. Like so much other political propaganda, it doesn’t make sense.

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Corrected WSWA typo.

Anecdotally, last month I had some wine delivered to the house. My twenty year old son was there, but UPS refused to let him sign for it.

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Ok, it´s law … but for me it´s simply ridiculous.

Underagers in the States can drive a car with 16 (or less?), with 18 they can shoot porn movies, smoke with 18 or 19 (correct me if I´m wrong) … but no beer or good glass of wine below 21 …
(BTW: when are they allowed to buy guns ???)

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My son has been for an exchange to the US with 16 1/2 … they smoked, NOT only cigarettes (!!!), don´t ask me what else they did, but had only Coke, Juice, milk or water for drinking … [shock.gif]

I´m definitely against heavy drinking (especially hard stuff with 37+%), I´m NOT for smoking, but a beer or good glass of wine is much less harmful … (IMHO)

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I don’t think that you’ll get anyone to argue that our laws aren’t f’d up.

JD

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Pretty sure gun ownership starts at 18 (at least to get a license, BTW, that does not include a test similar to driving where you have to demonstrate knowledge AND the ability to properly use it)

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an 83% failure rate is abhorrent.

it’s not that hard to ask for ID and check the birthdate.

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Is there anyone, including the people and groups advocating against allowing direct wine shipping to customers, who actually believes that the issue is to avoid sales to underage kids?

There are many arguments out there where multiple sides have an understandable and genuine belief in their side, even if one of us may vehemently disagree with it. But this one seems like 100% artifice, and I can’t imagine that any of the people making that argument actually believe that is the issue. Perhaps I’m wrong about that, though.

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Now underage drinkers will be looking to Berserkers for information on retailers who don’t card.

(This brings back such fond memories of youth, doesn’t it? )

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How much does a cashier make at the local liquor store chain make per hour? It’s the not the degree of difficulty so much it’s the quality of employee…

I agree that it doesn’t take much to ask, but these people are most likely making under $10/hour, so do they actually care?

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caring be damned, it’s the owner’s business license on the line. further, the employee (if it were the CA version of the incident) would be on the hook for a misdemeanor and a $2k fine.

i’d think for a front-line employee, it’d be in their best interest to follow the letter of the law and not put their job in jeopardy.

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I think a good question is how many of the people sited were owners as opposed to employees? Totally anecdotal back in high school many moons ago underaged but mature looking students could buy liquor at three stores in my area, all mom & pop. I had one friend who worked for a chain grocery store that would sell me beer but only if I was buying food also so it wasn’t obviouse [wow.gif]

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Gerhard, you left out the fact that we can ship an 18-year old off to the front lines to risk getting his head blown off, make decisions about pulling a trigger or launching a mortar (are they combatants or civilians, hmmmm), etc., but we sure aren’t going to let him go buy a beer when he comes home. Now THAT would be dangerous.

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In Oregon they typically find circa 80 to 90 percent compliance.

http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/publicsafety/Pages/Minor-Decoy-Program.aspx#Minor_Decoy_Operations

To the hundreds of teens likely reading this thread: Anecdotally, Chinese restaurants and gas stations seem to be the best spots for you to buy beer.

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Absolutely right. I wonder if 18-y-old soldiers in Afghanistan (or elsewhere) are (were) allowed to drink a beer in the evening after a dangerous day on the front …

Personally: nothing against a beer (or two, but not 15) or a good glass of wine, but spirits like Gin, Whiskey, Vodka etc. are really dangerous when consumed in certain higher quantities … so teens, remember !

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Drinking on base in a combat zone is a bad idea.