Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

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08/09 Cristal worth 2x the price of '06 Taittinger BdB?

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Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

#1 Post by YLee » August 16th, 2019, 3:21 am

Do you think the '08/'09 Cristal is worth about 2x the price of '06 Taittinger BdB?

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#2 Post by Frederico L e e » August 16th, 2019, 4:07 am

Here in Alberta, Canada '08 Cristal is only 20% more than '06 Taittinger Comtes BdB

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#3 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 16th, 2019, 4:46 am

I like Comtes more than Cristal anyway, so...
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#4 Post by CJ Beazley » August 16th, 2019, 4:50 am

Blake B’s vote should count twice.
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#5 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 16th, 2019, 6:37 am

I did vote for Cristal, but they are two very different wines, and I have both in my cellar.
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#6 Post by Ross Jones » August 16th, 2019, 7:41 am

Cristal is rarely my first choice, but the 2008 is one of the best young bottles of Champagne I've ever had. It's just a killer vintage overall. Even the 2008 vintage Veuve is very impressive.
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#7 Post by JLee » August 16th, 2019, 9:14 am

I prefer '09 Cristal to '06 Taittinger by a fair margin but I'd be hard pressed to say it's "worth it" to pay an extra $100/bottle.
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#8 Post by Frank Murray III » August 16th, 2019, 9:52 am

My vote just broke the tie.

Yes. The two Cristals are not the same wine, but I have had and continue to own both. I long sold off all of my 06 Comtes, as I don't think it's as grand as some people do. But for the care that Roederer takes in their farming, and the balance of that 2009 Cristal shows it, I can support the price differential. I do though wish Roederer would get the hell rid of the packaging they use for Cristal--it's a challenging environmental nightmare of material to deal with as the consumer.
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#9 Post by Chris Seiber » August 16th, 2019, 9:53 am

I never really get the notion of one wine being X times better than another wine. I’m not criticizing the post or poll, but the concept just doesn’t really work in my head.

I like both wines a lot, and maybe Cristal slightly more. It’s a flashier wine with more Wow factor, anyway.

I do think that usually, as you get up to the high quality levels of wine, cars, watches, and other luxury categories, the marginal price increases get steeper. You just have to understand that’s the deal much of the time. If you want DRC, you’re not going to get it at twice the price of a wine half as good as it.

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#10 Post by C Chen » August 16th, 2019, 9:59 am

Agree with Seiber. Also, 08 Cristal > all.
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#11 Post by Doug Schulman » August 16th, 2019, 10:07 am

I suspect a lot of this depends on when you plan to drink the wines. For drinking now, to my taste, the '08 Cristal is slightly better than '06 Comtes (agreeing with Chris here), but nowhere near worth the price difference. With considerable bottle age, I expect that to change. And yes, very different wines.
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#12 Post by Chris Seiber » August 16th, 2019, 11:35 am

For those who struggle with the "how many times better is Wine A than Wine B" notion, maybe another way to think of it is this:

If you were given the choice of receiving (1) a bottle of the 06 Comptes, plus another bottle of wine you really like which costs $100, or (2) a bottle of 09 Cristal, which would you choose?

When I think about it that way, I'd probably choose option (1). Though I'd be perfectly happy with (2).

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#13 Post by Anton D » August 16th, 2019, 12:15 pm

Depends on which stemware you will be using.
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#14 Post by YLee » August 16th, 2019, 12:39 pm

It's pretty neck and neck. I thought it would have been one-sided.
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#15 Post by Anton D » August 16th, 2019, 12:51 pm

YLee wrote:
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It's pretty neck and neck. I thought it would have been one-sided.
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#16 Post by M. Meer » August 16th, 2019, 1:02 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 11:35 am
For those who struggle with the "how many times better is Wine A than Wine B" notion, maybe another way to think of it is this:

If you were given the choice of receiving (1) a bottle of the 06 Comptes, plus another bottle of wine you really like which costs $100, or (2) a bottle of 09 Cristal, which would you choose?

When I think about it that way, I'd probably choose option (1). Though I'd be perfectly happy with (2).
No wrong answers there! I think that as much as one has in their cellar, it's hard not to look at what one doesn't. This board doesn't really help either, lol. I think at some point, if one is buying what they feel is great, he or she should feel confident in their choices. If not, it's probably a sign to slow down on collecting (and get out and drink more). I also believe in diversity in crafting a cellar, if one is used to buying broad and shallow in quantity, opt to go deep on a few select wines and vice versa.

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#17 Post by Kris Patten » August 16th, 2019, 6:35 pm

What if the question had been like vintages....08 Comtes vs. 08 Cristal at 2x the price?

Not only are Cristal and Comte very different wines, comparing 06 vs. 08/09 Cristal seems very unfair.

I will say 2009 Cristal is stunning, went to a 200 person event where we drank about 15 cases of 2009 Cristal....its pretty epic stuff, have not had the 2008, but 2009 is no slouch of a vintage.
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#18 Post by YLee » August 16th, 2019, 6:53 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:35 pm
What if the question had been like vintages....08 Comtes vs. 08 Cristal at 2x the price?

Not only are Cristal and Comte very different wines, comparing 06 vs. 08/09 Cristal seems very unfair.

I will say 2009 Cristal is stunning, went to a 200 person event where we drank about 15 cases of 2009 Cristal....its pretty epic stuff, have not had the 2008, but 2009 is no slouch of a vintage.
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#19 Post by Kris Patten » August 16th, 2019, 6:59 pm

YLee wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:53 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:35 pm
What if the question had been like vintages....08 Comtes vs. 08 Cristal at 2x the price?

Not only are Cristal and Comte very different wines, comparing 06 vs. 08/09 Cristal seems very unfair.

I will say 2009 Cristal is stunning, went to a 200 person event where we drank about 15 cases of 2009 Cristal....its pretty epic stuff, have not had the 2008, but 2009 is no slouch of a vintage.
Sounds like an awesome event. Where was it held?
Local WA winery. All you could drink Cristal and all you could eat caviar on blini or points. There was always 20 bottles on the bar, pretty crazy.

Best event I've been to in a while, and pretty sure for a while.
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#20 Post by YLee » August 16th, 2019, 7:02 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:59 pm
YLee wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:53 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:35 pm
What if the question had been like vintages....08 Comtes vs. 08 Cristal at 2x the price?

Not only are Cristal and Comte very different wines, comparing 06 vs. 08/09 Cristal seems very unfair.

I will say 2009 Cristal is stunning, went to a 200 person event where we drank about 15 cases of 2009 Cristal....its pretty epic stuff, have not had the 2008, but 2009 is no slouch of a vintage.
Sounds like an awesome event. Where was it held?
Local WA winery. All you could drink Cristal and all you could eat caviar on blini or points. There was always 20 bottles on the bar, pretty crazy.

Best event I've been to in a while, and pretty sure for a while.
I dont know if I can do all you can eat caviar but all you can drink cristal. Wow!
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#21 Post by Craig G » August 16th, 2019, 8:15 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
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All you could drink Cristal and all you could eat caviar on blini or points. There was always 20 bottles on the bar, pretty crazy.
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#22 Post by Alan Rath » August 16th, 2019, 9:22 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
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Local WA winery. All you could drink Cristal and all you could eat caviar on blini or points. There was always 20 bottles on the bar, pretty crazy.

Best event I've been to in a while, and pretty sure for a while.
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#23 Post by Jay Miller » August 17th, 2019, 7:41 am

As with any luxury good incremental increases in quality/rarity/demand yield much larger increases in price.

08 cristal is IMO better than the wonderful 06 Comtes. If either the price differential was lower or i had a higher salary I’d buy more of the former than the latter. As it is I’m quite happy with owning only the Comtes.
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#24 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » August 17th, 2019, 7:54 am

Kris Patten wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 6:35 pm
What if the question had been like vintages....08 Comtes vs. 08 Cristal at 2x the price?

Not only are Cristal and Comte very different wines, comparing 06 vs. 08/09 Cristal seems very unfair.

I will say 2009 Cristal is stunning, went to a 200 person event where we drank about 15 cases of 2009 Cristal....its pretty epic stuff, have not had the 2008, but 2009 is no slouch of a vintage.
Only problem is that not many people have had the '08 CdC yet.

I agree that the '09 Cristal is great and is much more approachable right now than the '08 Cristal. However, the '08 Cristal is also a great Champagne and will last for decades.
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#25 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 17th, 2019, 8:14 am

Given how good both Comtes and Cristal are, as a drinker, I find it hard to justify the cost of the super expensive cuvées such as Krug Ambonnay, Mesnil and Bollinger VV.
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#26 Post by YLee » August 17th, 2019, 8:37 am

Poll is at a draw!
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#27 Post by Frank Murray III » August 17th, 2019, 8:51 am

I'm not going to lose this poll. I'm voting twice.
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#28 Post by YLee » August 17th, 2019, 9:54 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
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I'm not going to lose this poll. I'm voting twice.
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#29 Post by Jayson Cohen » August 17th, 2019, 10:30 am

‘08 Cristal > ‘06 CdC > ‘09 Cristal factoring in price as well as preferences.

So flawed poll. ;)

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#30 Post by Frank Murray III » August 17th, 2019, 11:08 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 10:30 am
‘08 Cristal > ‘06 CdC > ‘09 Cristal factoring in price as well as preferences.

So flawed poll. ;)
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#31 Post by Greg K » August 17th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 7:41 am
As with any luxury good incremental increases in quality/rarity/demand yield much larger increases in price.

08 cristal is IMO better than the wonderful 06 Comtes. If either the price differential was lower or i had a higher salary I’d buy more of the former than the latter. As it is I’m quite happy with owning only the Comtes.
I haven't had the 08 Cristal yet, but that's generally how I see it unless the 08 turns out to be THAT amazing. I didn't really love the 09 Cristal, but then I wasn't all that impressed by the 09 vintage at a tasting generally. I have a tough time believing the 08 Cristal is twice as good as the 06 Comtes, though I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
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#32 Post by Jim Stewart » August 17th, 2019, 12:13 pm

CJ Beazley wrote:
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Blake B’s vote should count twice.
I’m curious to see what he says
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#33 Post by Jayson Cohen » August 17th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Greg K wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Jay Miller wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 7:41 am
As with any luxury good incremental increases in quality/rarity/demand yield much larger increases in price.

08 cristal is IMO better than the wonderful 06 Comtes. If either the price differential was lower or i had a higher salary I’d buy more of the former than the latter. As it is I’m quite happy with owning only the Comtes.
I haven't had the 08 Cristal yet, but that's generally how I see it unless the 08 turns out to be THAT amazing. I didn't really love the 09 Cristal, but then I wasn't all that impressed by the 09 vintage at a tasting generally. I have a tough time believing the 08 Cristal is twice as good as the 06 Comtes, though I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
It’s really F’in good, Greg. And it’s not a linear analysis for me.

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#34 Post by Greg K » August 17th, 2019, 12:34 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:16 pm
Greg K wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Jay Miller wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 7:41 am
As with any luxury good incremental increases in quality/rarity/demand yield much larger increases in price.

08 cristal is IMO better than the wonderful 06 Comtes. If either the price differential was lower or i had a higher salary I’d buy more of the former than the latter. As it is I’m quite happy with owning only the Comtes.
I haven't had the 08 Cristal yet, but that's generally how I see it unless the 08 turns out to be THAT amazing. I didn't really love the 09 Cristal, but then I wasn't all that impressed by the 09 vintage at a tasting generally. I have a tough time believing the 08 Cristal is twice as good as the 06 Comtes, though I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
It’s really F’in good, Greg. And it’s not a linear analysis for me.
I know it's not linear, but at more than twice the price, it's going to have to be significantly better. I haven't received mine yet, which is why I haven't opened one yet!
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#35 Post by Jay Miller » August 18th, 2019, 7:29 am

Greg K wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:34 pm
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I haven't had the 08 Cristal yet, but that's generally how I see it unless the 08 turns out to be THAT amazing. I didn't really love the 09 Cristal, but then I wasn't all that impressed by the 09 vintage at a tasting generally. I have a tough time believing the 08 Cristal is twice as good as the 06 Comtes, though I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
It’s really F’in good, Greg. And it’s not a linear analysis for me.
I know it's not linear, but at more than twice the price, it's going to have to be significantly better. I haven't received mine yet, which is why I haven't opened one yet!
08 Cristal is a fantastic wine, one of my 2 favorites from last year's La Fete du Champagne. That said, I didn't buy any of that or of my other favorite (the Marguet Sapience) which is in a similar price range.

I haven't tried the '09 Cristal and like many people am waiting to jump on the 2008 Comte.
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#36 Post by Paul Jaouen » August 18th, 2019, 8:33 am

Got to drink 08 Cristal last night and all I can say is that I'm very happy my buddy has another 180 bottles in his cellar.
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#37 Post by Kris Patten » August 18th, 2019, 8:46 am

Paul Jaouen wrote:
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Got to drink 08 Cristal last night and all I can say is that I'm very happy my buddy has another 180 bottles in his cellar.
I can't imagine having $40k of one wine, but if I did that might be one....or 360 bottles of 2008 CdC.
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#38 Post by YLee » August 18th, 2019, 8:49 am

Paul Jaouen wrote:
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Got to drink 08 Cristal last night and all I can say is that I'm very happy my buddy has another 180 bottles in his cellar.
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#39 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » August 18th, 2019, 9:42 am

YLee wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 8:49 am
Paul Jaouen wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 8:33 am
Got to drink 08 Cristal last night and all I can say is that I'm very happy my buddy has another 180 bottles in his cellar.
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#40 Post by Jayson Cohen » August 18th, 2019, 10:04 am

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 9:42 am
YLee wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 8:49 am
Paul Jaouen wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 8:33 am
Got to drink 08 Cristal last night and all I can say is that I'm very happy my buddy has another 180 bottles in his cellar.
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It sounds like it is a lot, and it is. But, if you assume it has thirty more years of prime drinking that's only one bottle every two months.
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#41 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 18th, 2019, 12:03 pm

The problem is you have to cellar it for a minimum of ten years.
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Re: Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

#42 Post by YLee » August 18th, 2019, 12:14 pm

If I had 180 bottles of 1 type of wine and all the same vintage i think I might get bored of it.

Looks like "no" will win this weekend poll.
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Re: Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

#43 Post by Paul Jaouen » August 18th, 2019, 4:21 pm

YLee wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 12:14 pm
If I had 180 bottles of 1 type of wine and all the same vintage i think I might get bored of it.
I think if that was 2% of your cellar you wouldn’t get bored.
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Re: Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

#44 Post by alan weinberg » August 18th, 2019, 6:27 pm

I remember long ago we had a thread of “what’s the wine you have the most of?” There were some with two or three cases and the champagne guy from NY who used to post on this thread shut it down when he announced that he had 500 cases of 96 Salon. Albeit they are 6 bottle cases but that was 3000 bottles of what then was a $200 wine.

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Re: Friday poll: is '08/'09 Cristal or '06 Taittinger BdB

#45 Post by Greg K » August 19th, 2019, 6:49 am

Jay Miller wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 7:29 am
Greg K wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:34 pm
Jayson Cohen wrote:
August 17th, 2019, 12:16 pm


It’s really F’in good, Greg. And it’s not a linear analysis for me.
I know it's not linear, but at more than twice the price, it's going to have to be significantly better. I haven't received mine yet, which is why I haven't opened one yet!
08 Cristal is a fantastic wine, one of my 2 favorites from last year's La Fete du Champagne. That said, I didn't buy any of that or of my other favorite (the Marguet Sapience) which is in a similar price range.

I haven't tried the '09 Cristal and like many people am waiting to jump on the 2008 Comte.
Same. I have never made it to the Fete du Champagne because it usually falls on the weekend of my birthday, though one of these days..........
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