TN: Two Calif Dessert Wines...(short/boring)

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TN: Two Calif Dessert Wines...(short/boring)

#1 Post by TomHill » June 14th, 2019, 8:55 am

We tried these two dessert wines last night at BacchusBadBoys:
1. TheOjaiVnyd Viognier RollRanch/Calif (6 brls made; 10%) 2005: Dark brown/bronze/almost red color; beautiful complex some botrytis/apricotty/peachy some cedary/pencilly/oaky very complex nose; quite sweet strong botrytis/peachy/apricotty very tart bit cedary/pencilly very complex flavor; very long/lingering strong botrytis/peachy/apricotty bit cedary/pencilly quite sweet rather tart/tangy very complex finish; a beautiful complex dessert wine that'll go on for another 10 yrs, though little Viog character; terrific wine.
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2. Casey Hartlip GWT LateHrvst OrdwayVnyd/MendoCnty (12%; RS: 15%; Brl frmtd; Winemaker: GregGraziano) 2013: Light gold color; very intense GWT/cheap hair oil slight peachy/ripe (some botrytis?) rather ccomplex beautiful nose; bit soft very intense GWT/hair oil/lychee/huge fruit quite sweet fairly complex flavor; very long/lingering intense GWT/hair oil/lychee/bit pineapple/peachy bit soft very sweet some complex beautiful finish; starting to show some complexity now; as good as any Alsace SGN that I can recall having; will only get better over the next 10-15 yrs. $11.00/hlf (vCH)
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A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. Ojai: I was pretty much blindsided by how good this wine was. Adam's RollRanch dessert Viogniers are often made as freezer ice wines, which tend to remain very sweet but seldom show much evolution or complexity. I don't recall this wine in its youth showing much, if any, botrytis character. But it is definitely there now. A stunning dessert wine, despite the brown color, w/ no signs of oxidation.
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2. CaseyHartlip: Is, of course, everybody's favorite redneck grapegrower. This was a block of GWT from Ordway that went unspoken for and became very overripe. He gave the grapes to his good buddy, Grazie, to see what he could salvage from it. Casey sold a bunch of cases to my group for a song. Don't know what happened to the rest of the wine, though. I hadn't had it in some two yrs and was just blown away by how good it is getting, developing some complexity that I'd not expected. The guy on the tractor certainly knows what he's doing.
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Re: TN: Two Calif Dessert Wines...(short/boring)

#2 Post by Dan Sch » June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm

This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
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#3 Post by Casey Hartlip » June 14th, 2019, 2:26 pm

Dan Sch wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm
This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
Same wine. We sold those to Elke as shiners.

I only have 4 cases of 12 packs left. More than I can drink.
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#4 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » June 14th, 2019, 2:34 pm

Casey Hartlip wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 2:26 pm
Dan Sch wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm
This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
Same wine. We sold those to Elke as shiners.

I only have 4 cases of 12 packs left. More than I can drink.
Send some to Merrill.
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#5 Post by Ken Zinns » June 14th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Casey Hartlip wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 2:26 pm
Dan Sch wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm
This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
Same wine. We sold those to Elke as shiners.

I only have 4 cases of 12 packs left. More than I can drink.
Cool - I didn't realize that was your wine, Casey! I tried it at the Elke tasting room in summer 2017, just a few months before it closed down. I enjoyed that wine, nice way to finish up the tasting there. My notes:
Elke 2013 “Fräulein Elke” Late Harvest Gewürztraminer. Intense ripe apricot and honey aromas, with notes of citrus and spice. Rich mouthfeel with a long, sweet finish.
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Re: TN: Two Calif Dessert Wines...(short/boring)

#6 Post by Dan Sch » June 14th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Casey Hartlip wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 2:26 pm
Dan Sch wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm
This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
Same wine. We sold those to Elke as shiners.

I only have 4 cases of 12 packs left. More than I can drink.
Wow there you go. Makes more sense now! I will be out on the weekend of 8/9-13... maybe I can check out Valley foothills this visit
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#7 Post by Casey Hartlip » June 14th, 2019, 6:42 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 2:34 pm
Casey Hartlip wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 2:26 pm
Dan Sch wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 1:58 pm
This GW sounds very similar to the one Elke made that same year 2013, except that it seems to have a bit more botrytis than you described. Really good stuff!
Same wine. We sold those to Elke as shiners.

I only have 4 cases of 12 packs left. More than I can drink.
Send some to Merrill.
Now that's just trouble.
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Re: TN: Two Calif Dessert Wines...(short/boring)

#8 Post by Steve Anderson » June 14th, 2019, 9:08 pm

Thanks for the note Tom - have one of those '05s so appreciate the update. Color still seems fairly light on mine. Also have a '96 that I just checked based on this thread - it is looking reddish/dark, so I should probably open sooner rather than later. The only one I have opened to date is the '02, and that showed quite well a couple of years back. Seem to be excellent wines for the price, particularly when older bottles show up on the secondary market.

Cheers!

Steve

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