2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

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#1 Post by Martin Zwick » June 14th, 2019, 4:59 am

2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur, St. Estèphe, Medoc, Bordeaux

On Wednesday I had a couple of 2016 Bordeaux…….Gruaud Larose, Malartic Lagravière, Durfort-Vivens, Trottevieille and Calon Ségur.
I was impressed how open, charming, balanced and fresh these wines were. All quite good, but Calon Ségur was clearly on another level.

Based on 60% Cabernet Sauvignon, 18% Cabernet Franc, 20% Merlot und 2% Petit Verdot. Despite 14% quite fresh on the palate. I read that Eric Boissenot is a fan of early harvesting and so the harvest started 1st October and finished 15th October according to a German wine dealer.

Overall such polished, silky, refined textured. You will find blackberry, cassis, mint and spice in the background. In addition a fine minerality. Tremendous complexity&depth in the finish. What a beauty! And in such great shape at the moment. No decanting, just pop&pour. I have to say a real bargain, for 100€ at the beginning.

96-97/100

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#2 Post by Joshua Kates » June 14th, 2019, 5:05 am

Thanks, Martin,

I have a bunch, and have a drunk a bunch of the older ones. From your note, it sounds like this is in a different style (though not necessarily a "worse" style--don't want to sound like Alfert here). Is that correct, or am I not getting you?

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#3 Post by Martin Zwick » June 14th, 2019, 5:10 am

I drank a couple of older versions, but I can´t remember that they were such polished&silky as 2016. But most importantly for me is the remarkable freshness in 2016.

YES, it could also be too polished like in case of 2016 Pontet Canet which is a great wine, but lacks a bit of character in my view. I clearly prefer 2016 Pichon Comtesse. I had both side by side on Xmas.

In case of Calon Ségur, not to love this wine is impossible.

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#4 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 14th, 2019, 8:25 am

I think this is the wine Alfert ordered me to buy in futures, and I obeyed...we'll see if he's right, but sounds likely! I hadn't planned to open these young, but now I'm very curious..
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#5 Post by Joshua Kates » June 14th, 2019, 8:45 am

Cool, Todd,
Please let us know how they drink.
I'm not buying (m) any futures, though I confess, I did pick up some of the Comtesse, so your remarks are welcome on that score as well, Martin, thanks!

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#6 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » June 14th, 2019, 8:53 am

The wine is fantastic, indeed. I believe 2016 across the board is going to turn out to very special.

We opened a '16 Fleur Cardinale Wednesday night and it was singing after a four hour decant. Pure decadence in a bottle.
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#7 Post by Martin Zwick » June 14th, 2019, 9:07 am

Joshua Kates wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 8:45 am
I did pick up some of the Comtesse, so your remarks are welcome on that score as well, Martin, thanks!


2016 Ch. Pichon Comtesse

What a beauty. Velvet and silk on the palate and such sexy. Fantastic balance and with a never-ending length.

It is indeed maybe the best vintage since 1982.

98/100

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#8 Post by Frank Z » June 14th, 2019, 9:31 am

I agree. I looked into grabbing some 2016 Calon Segur after I missed the futures release this year for the 2018s (never really followed Bordeaux until I saw everyone discussing the Calon).

Glad I found a few bottles at my local TW. Ended up grabbing them all. When I decided to pop one open it was singing and it changed my view on Bordeaux. Definitely will be on the lookout when the 2018s hit shelves.
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#9 Post by Kelly Flynn » June 14th, 2019, 10:08 am

Martin: Thanks for the note, but I am amazed it drinks so well, so young. I love CS, and it is typically a bargain, but I have always found it needs real time.

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#10 Post by Martin Zwick » June 14th, 2019, 10:29 am

Kelly,

trust me, all the 2016 are singing now and its the same with Calon Ségur. Needs also not necessarily decanting.

Open a bottle and find out for yourself. in vino veritas

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#11 Post by Hao Lu » June 14th, 2019, 10:52 am

how does 2016 compare to 2014, 2015?

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#12 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 14th, 2019, 11:43 am

Thanks for the note Martin. I bought a few of these in 375 format; glad I did now!
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#13 Post by Vince T » June 14th, 2019, 12:22 pm

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June 14th, 2019, 10:29 am
Kelly,

trust me, all the 2016 are singing now and its the same with Calon Ségur. Needs also not necessarily decanting.

Open a bottle and find out for yourself. in vino veritas
Thanks Martin... will plan to open one when I manage to pick mine up. Kind of dreading it as I have no room for the 3 cases of 2016s I have coming!
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#14 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » June 14th, 2019, 2:55 pm

Thanks for the note, Martin. Sounds fantastic. My three pack ordered EP just came in. Wish I'd gotten more now.

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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 14th, 2019, 4:45 pm

Joshua Kates wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 5:05 am
Thanks, Martin,

I have a bunch, and have a drunk a bunch of the older ones. From your note, it sounds like this is in a different style (though not necessarily a "worse" style--don't want to sound like Alfert here). Is that correct, or am I not getting you?

I don’t know if there is a recent style change here, but the LPB note on the 2018 second label is pretty interesting:
The 2018 Le Marquis de Calon-Ségur is a blend of 53% Merlot and 47% Cabernet Sauvignon (14.9% alcohol). It is anticipated to age for 17 months in barriques, 30% new. Deep purple-black in color, it gives up opulent scents of Indian spices, menthol and plum preserves with a core of crème de cassis, baked cherries and raspberry pie plus a hint of sandalwood. Big, rich, full-bodied and voluptuously fruited in the mouth, it has bags of black fruit preserves and exotic spices with a firm, plush frame, finishing long with a minty lift. Definitely one for the hedonists!

92-94 points, Lisa Perrotti-Brown, Wine Advocate (Issue # Interim - Apr 2019)
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#16 Post by Bob Paul » June 14th, 2019, 6:17 pm

Was at the local Total Wine today and had just read this thread. They had 4 bottles left, which I purchased.

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#17 Post by Ron Erickson » June 14th, 2019, 8:16 pm

They did pretty good with their other label in their stable.

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#18 Post by Martin Zwick » June 14th, 2019, 9:29 pm

"One of our vintage favorite"


Giuseppe Lauria editor in chief from the swiss&german wine magazine WEINWISSER just told me this regarding 2016 Calon Ségur.

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#19 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am

Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
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#20 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 15th, 2019, 9:19 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am
Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
But I thought you weren't buying any more Bordeaux because you have too much and you'll never live long enough to drink it?

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#21 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 15th, 2019, 9:21 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:19 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am
Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
But I thought you weren't buying any more Bordeaux because you have too much and you'll never live long enough to drink it?

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#22 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 15th, 2019, 9:34 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:21 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:19 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am
Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
But I thought you weren't buying any more Bordeaux because you have too much and you'll never live long enough to drink it?

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You only thought that because I said that, and I only said that because it's true.
Good point.
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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 15th, 2019, 10:10 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:21 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:19 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am
Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
But I thought you weren't buying any more Bordeaux because you have too much and you'll never live long enough to drink it?

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You only thought that because I said that, and I only said that because it's true.
Then it is strangulation, not triangulation.

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#24 Post by Martin Zwick » June 15th, 2019, 10:40 am

Guys,

again, you don't have to wait 10-20-30 years. 2016 Calon Ségur and all the ´16s are singing right now. Do your a favour and open a bottle!

Maybe in 2-3-4 years they are shut down?! And you missed a big opportunity.


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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 15th, 2019, 11:40 am

For the record, I went to Total Wine to grab one, but all gone.

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#26 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 15th, 2019, 11:56 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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For the record, I went to Total Wine to grab one, but all gone.
I swear YOU are the one who told me to go buy these, and I did.

Anyway...Martin with the high pressure sales, sheesh! I will need to bring one of mine back from long term storage, lest I 'miss out'!
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#27 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 15th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 11:56 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 11:40 am
For the record, I went to Total Wine to grab one, but all gone.
I swear YOU are the one who told me to go buy these, and I did.

Anyway...Martin with the high pressure sales, sheesh! I will need to bring one of mine back from long term storage, lest I 'miss out'!
I saw you said that. I intended to deny, as I have no recollection, but in truth, after almost 20k posts, many while under the influence, I could have said anything. I probably even drank, and spoke positively about, something Rolland made, for all I know.

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#28 Post by Blair Ridley » June 16th, 2019, 5:06 am

Thanks guys. You are to blame for me spending several hundred dollars! One of my local Total Wines had the 2016 Calon Segur for $99 with the 6-pack discount. Bought a few and added a reload of 2016 Capbern which is absolutely delicious already.

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#29 Post by Dinesh Goyal » June 16th, 2019, 6:16 am

Have 12 of these lying in the storage. Don’t plan to touch them for another decade. Bought 6 of 2018 Calon Segur too. Hope that’s as good as 2016

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#30 Post by Martin Zwick » June 16th, 2019, 6:32 am

What??? Nobody wants to open a bottle of 2016 Calon Ségur now?!

Maybe it doesn't get better than right now? Maybe someone will steal your wine?? Maybe you will have heat damage??? Maybe your kids will drink it all when you're on holiday???? Maybe you are dead in a decade????


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#31 Post by Blair Ridley » June 16th, 2019, 7:53 am

Don't worry, Martin. I plan on opening one as soon as I receive the shipment. I expect to pull the cork within the next week. I trust you and will enjoy one now and tuck the rest away for later dates.

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#32 Post by Claus Jeppesen » June 16th, 2019, 8:15 am

If Martin does not say BUY I do not buy.
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#33 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 16th, 2019, 8:17 am

I didn’t know Martin drank reds, but his Riesling recos are on point! ;)

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#34 Post by Jim Stewart » June 16th, 2019, 8:49 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
June 16th, 2019, 6:32 am
What??? Nobody wants to open a bottle of 2016 Calon Ségur now?!

Maybe it doesn't get better than right now? Maybe someone will steal your wine?? Maybe you will have heat damage??? Maybe your kids will drink it all when you're on holiday???? Maybe you are dead in a decade????


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#35 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 16th, 2019, 9:23 am

I'll probably open a 375 within the next week or so
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#36 Post by David Glasser » June 16th, 2019, 7:15 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:21 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:19 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 9:18 am
Picked up a couple of these in 750 today @Total based in part on this thread. Triangulation: everyone seems to love this wine, from The Suck to Jancis. Pretty safe bet I think.
But I thought you weren't buying any more Bordeaux because you have too much and you'll never live long enough to drink it?

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#37 Post by Blair Ridley » June 22nd, 2019, 4:23 pm

As promised I opened one of my new arrivals. Wow does this Bordeaux have some fruit! Pop and pour, this wine has a pretty explosive bouquet of dark fruits, damp earth and a touch of iron. Compared to the 2016 Chateau Labegorce I opened a couple of weeks ago, this wine is wide open. On the palate, it's already showing tons of fruit, some complexity, and a bit of creaminess from the oak (which is NOT overdone). Gotta be honest - at this point, this comes across like a high quality Sonoma cabernet (think Dehlinger) from a great vintage.

I'm very happy to own several bottles more and I look forward to drinking this over the next 20 years.

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#38 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 22nd, 2019, 5:32 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
June 16th, 2019, 9:23 am
I'll probably open a 375 within the next week or so

Given Blair’s comparison to CA Cab, really curious on your take, Neal.

Thanks, guys!

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#39 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 22nd, 2019, 7:29 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 5:32 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
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I'll probably open a 375 within the next week or so

Given Blair’s comparison to CA Cab, really curious on your take, Neal.

Thanks, guys!
We'll see. So far as I have been able to tell, everyone of the critics who tasted the wine loved it, across the spectrum. Jancis said it was "beautifully balanced" and that its "freshness really lifts it." I have hopes.
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#40 Post by Eric Egan » June 23rd, 2019, 1:36 am

Yep, this is in a pretty good spot right now. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to open them - in fact, they won't be getting any better so might as well drink them soon;-)
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#41 Post by Martin Zwick » June 24th, 2019, 12:06 am

Blair Ridley wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 4:23 pm

this wine is wide open


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#42 Post by Martin Zwick » June 24th, 2019, 12:08 am

Eric Egan wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 1:36 am
Yep, this is in a pretty good spot right now. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to open them - in fact, they won't be getting any better so might as well drink them soon;-)

Good to know that my palate is also working with reds.

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#43 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 2nd, 2019, 4:20 am

I opened a 375 last night (lamb chops on the grill, fresh corn risotto, the first real tomatoes of the season). I understand Martin's excitement but can't quite share his enthusiasm for drinking it now. The fruit is glorious, and I spent a lot of time with my nose in the glass, but the substantial oak needs some time to absorb. I have no doubt it will, and I am glad I have more of these to drink later, but I will not be in a hurry to open another.
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#44 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 2nd, 2019, 7:21 am

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July 2nd, 2019, 4:20 am
I opened a 375 last night (lamb chops on the grill, fresh corn risotto, the first real tomatoes of the season). I understand Martin's excitement but can't quite share his enthusiasm for drinking it now. The fruit is glorious, and I spent a lot of time with my nose in the glass, but the substantial oak needs some time to absorb. I have no doubt it will, and I am glad I have more of these to drink later, but I will not be in a hurry to open another.
Thanks, Neal - that's a HUGE frustration of mine, when I get overwhelmed with oak, knowing how much more enjoyable it will be in years to come
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#45 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 2nd, 2019, 7:47 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
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Eric Egan wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 1:36 am
Yep, this is in a pretty good spot right now. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to open them - in fact, they won't be getting any better so might as well drink them soon;-)

Good to know that my palate is also working with reds.
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Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

#46 Post by Keith Levenberg » July 2nd, 2019, 7:54 am

I had the '16 Calon yesterday as well. It's a beauty indeed - Martin's note nails it - and I didn't notice any oak (even the typical St.-Estephe pencils was more like pencil fillings than pencil shavings). While it's premature to get on the 99 points/Best Calon ever! hype machine, I think the whole trilogy of wines they made in 2014-2015-2016 rocked each of their respective vintages and any Bordeaux fan will want to have them. Sad the price has been ratcheting up, but I've noticed Calon pricing is less constant than others and if you have patience and keep your eyes peeled you can get a good deal.

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Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

#47 Post by Frank Z » July 2nd, 2019, 1:17 pm

Picked up 4 more from TW for 87/bottle. Great wine, and drinking beautifully.
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Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

#48 Post by JC J o u a s » July 2nd, 2019, 3:22 pm

Frank Z wrote:
July 2nd, 2019, 1:17 pm
Picked up 4 more from TW for 87/bottle. Great wine, and drinking beautifully.
Sheesh, very well done and you must live in one of the TW coupon accepting states, lucky you!
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Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

#49 Post by Martin Zwick » July 2nd, 2019, 9:40 pm

I have to say I am quite surprised and puzzled that several US consumer mentioned oak. In the past it was rather WE the Europeans that complained about too much oak and alcohol regarding Bordeaux. And now regarding 2016 it seems to me that everything is on the right&perfect place.

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Re: 2016 Ch. Calon-Ségur - what a beauty

#50 Post by Justin Wittkopf » July 3rd, 2019, 5:58 am

Just picked up one of these last night at TW and will give it a go over.

They also had the 2016 Montrose, which I picked up, as well. Will try them both together and report back.

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