2012 Huet secs have shit the bed

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#51 Post by Mel Knox » May 7th, 2019, 8:41 am

Viet,
I've learned a lot from that article. I had never heard of glutathione so first i thought it was caused by the gluten free diet or maybe glute issues after a hard workout.

Brad, interesting note about Chenin smelling like honey and beeswax. I might have said honey and green apples. Can't say that I go around bee hives trying to get a whiff. I searched through Jancis' notes on recent Vouvrays. Found a lot of green apple, a little honey...no wax of any sort.
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#52 Post by John Morris » May 7th, 2019, 8:55 am

Wax is very typical of Loire chenins. I'd say it's the tell, really.

No need to risk an anaphylactic reaction to find out what it smells like, Mel. Just sniff a genuine beeswax candle or buy some honey in the comb.
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#53 Post by Otto Forsberg » May 7th, 2019, 9:05 am

Viet Ly wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 8:14 am
John: Your post makes sense. I should not be noting "pre-mox" with my level of experience. Maybe more like bottle variation from bottle 1 vs 2? Or perception variation from different days?
Is that some premature moxidation?

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#54 Post by Vincent Fritzsche » May 7th, 2019, 10:19 am

Wait it’s controversial to suggest that Chenin can display waxiness? What?!?
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#55 Post by Mel Knox » May 7th, 2019, 7:05 pm

I never thought of this but where you have apples usually there is a little wax.

Today we opened a 2005 Huet Sec, High Place....oddly I was on a street whose name sounds just like Brad's last name...different spelling. A friend of mine and I split maybe 2 cases of the 2005s way back when. I finished mine off in a hurry but he kept a bottle just to see what would happen.

The results?? Not bad at all. It still has what I think of as the smells of premox and the rest of you as honey and wax. It's a little advanced since I last tasted but not that much. The color was good. What was disconcerting at age five seems ok at age 14.

Next time we get together...he has a 2002!
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#56 Post by larry schaffer » May 7th, 2019, 7:11 pm

Mel,

Curious whether you react to rhone whites in terms of 'premox' in the same way?

I am not a fan of what I see as obviously oxidized wines, but I see this more as 'rotten apple' instead of honey and wax. I do not mind the latter descriptors, especially as it relates to aged rhone whites . . .

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#57 Post by Mel Knox » May 7th, 2019, 7:17 pm

I rarely drink Rhone whites. I usually steal Marsanne and Rousanne from Bob Lindquist when he isn't looking.

Rotten apple isn't such a bad term but perhaps overstating the case. When I think of Vouvray etc I think of green apple but this wine was more like a softer red apple.
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#58 Post by Brad Kane » May 8th, 2019, 6:26 am

Mel Knox wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 7:05 pm
I never thought of this but where you have apples usually there is a little wax.
And I don't use apple that much to describe Chenin, finding quince a much more accurate and prevelent descriptor.
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#59 Post by Chris Kissack » May 8th, 2019, 6:30 am

I thought the 2012 Huet Secs were poor on release, and said so. No surprise really, it was a very difficult vintage, roads turned to rivers at one point there was so much rain. Got banned from tasting at the domaine for expressing my opinion. Informative to me to read of these experiences with the wines today.
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#60 Post by Victor Hong » May 8th, 2019, 6:37 am

Chris Kissack wrote:
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I thought the 2012 Huet Secs were poor on release, and said so. No surprise really, it was a very difficult vintage, roads turned to rivers at one point there was so much rain. Got banned from tasting at the domaine for expressing my opinion. Informative to me to read of these experiences with the wines today.
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#61 Post by rfelthoven » May 8th, 2019, 7:10 pm

One more data point: opened another 2012 CDB tonight that was very oxidized. These were purchased from Sec Wines in Portland and held there under temperature control, then driven up by me to my cool cellar.
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#62 Post by Frank Murray III » May 17th, 2019, 2:27 pm

FWIW, I had a brief trade of comments with 'winchester-xi' over on Cellartracker. He has run into an oxidized 2010 Sec LM and Sec CdB in the past week. There are inputs as to the why, and I am not knowing all of those, but his bottles were not good.
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#63 Post by Rich Brown » May 17th, 2019, 9:46 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 2:27 pm
FWIW, I had a brief trade of comments with 'winchester-xi' over on Cellartracker. He has run into an oxidized 2010 Sec LM and Sec CdB in the past week. There are inputs as to the why, and I am not knowing all of those, but his bottles were not good.
Ughhh. Saw that. Gotta feel bad for the dude/gal. Looks like your 10 sec LHL was good though, which is great news.

I'm hoping to check in on an 05 demi LM soon and will report back.

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#64 Post by AAgrawal » May 17th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Just had a 2008 Le Haut Lieu Sec which was great. No significant oxidation, and just delicious. Seems like some botrytis though, even in the sec (and seemed more like a demi-sec than a sec). Which I don't mind at all...
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#65 Post by Rich Brown » May 17th, 2019, 10:11 pm

AAgrawal wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 10:00 pm
Just had a 2008 Le Haut Lieu Sec which was great. No significant oxidation, and just delicious. Seems like some botrytis though, even in the sec (and seemed more like a demi-sec than a sec). Which I don't mind at all...
Nice - love that! No 08's currently in my stable though. 05's, then I skip up to 2009 and run the gamet through 17.

I really need to get my hands on a Huet with a couple decades of age on it. Would love to try one.

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#66 Post by Frank Murray III » May 18th, 2019, 12:18 pm

Rich, I have a couple 2005 Secs that I have queued to drink up. Not sure how those will drink but I am going to find out.
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#67 Post by Rich Brown » May 18th, 2019, 12:20 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 12:18 pm
Rich, I have a couple 2005 Secs that I have queued to drink up. Not sure how those will drink but I am going to find out.
Sounds good Frank - in going to open a demi later today and will report back. :)

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#68 Post by Rich Brown » May 18th, 2019, 4:20 pm

2005 Huet Le Mont demi-sec. Absolutley zero worry of oxidation on this wine. Nice medium straw color, and singing on the palate with wooly orchard fruit, lovely acidity, and a light hint of honey on the very long finish. Seriously just soooo good!

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#69 Post by eweininger » May 19th, 2019, 3:02 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 2:27 pm
FWIW, I had a brief trade of comments with 'winchester-xi' over on Cellartracker. He has run into an oxidized 2010 Sec LM and Sec CdB in the past week. There are inputs as to the why, and I am not knowing all of those, but his bottles were not good.
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#70 Post by eweininger » May 19th, 2019, 4:20 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 10:24 pm
I’ve had several premoxed Huets from 2010 on in recent years. I’d definitely put it in the medium-high risk category. Same for Chidaine.
Would be curious to hear details.

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