TN: 1996 Chateau Sociando Mallet Cuvee Jean Gautreau - Out of GrasslGlass Stems

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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 13th, 2019, 4:38 pm

The Cuvee

A bit on this special cuvee before I comment on the wine and glasses. From Leve's website:
In 1995, Sociando Mallet produced a special wine that was at the time, intended to only be produced in that one vintage, Sociando-Mallet Cuvee Jean Gautreau.

The wine was made from a barrel selection and was aged in 100% new, French oak barrels. To produce the wine, Jean Gautreau pulled the eighty best barrels from over 1,500 barrels.

Those barrels were aged separately. Then, out of those 80 barrels, Gautreau pulled what he considered the top 15 barrels. Those 300 cases were bottled for his own pleasure and were not originally intended for sale.

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The base wine is also matured in 100% new French oak. This is one Bordeaux that generally handles its new oak rather well.

The 1996 Wine

Gorgeous Bordeaux perfume with its musk, rich wet earth, cassis and some pencil shavings, almost Pauilliac in quality. A richer, riper nose than the base cuvee, to the best that I can recall, not showing some of the green and tobacco notes to which I have become accustomed in this Chateau. The palate does show some herbal qualities, but moreso, a rich, dense, textured palate presence, tangy red fruits, some spice and deep dark fruits. Massively tannic still at this stage, dry crisp finish. Love the nose and palate but the finish is a bit detracting. Not yet sure whether this is a maturation or aeration thing or the new oak, will follow this over tonight and some tomorrow. I am trying this on pop and pour.

The Glasses


I have been enjoying this wine out of my regular Schott Zwiesel and two GrasslGlass glasses, the 1855 and the Cru. As you would expect, the 1855 is designed for, inter alia, Bordeaux. The Cru is designed for Pinot and Nebbiolo. The first thing you notice about the glasses are the weight, dramatically lighter than the Schott. The base of the glass is also larger, which for fumble fingers like me and Brig, is a good thing. The crystal materials are fine, thin, much leaner than the Schott. I cannot comment on durability yet, but that is always a concern for me as my wife and I, and our maids, tend to break wine glasses with great regularity. I think that I would personally wash these glasses by hand.

Visually, these Grassl glasses are beautiful, quite lyrical. The Schotts look like the product of German engineering, more about function than form. Wine in the glass, the hue of the wine is darker in the Schott, given the sloped bowl, whereas the Grassl glasses have a broader base to the bowl. The wine appears lighter, giving the viewer greater clarity.

The nose is most focused from the Cru. It has the greatest taper from bowl to mouth. I could not discern a major difference in the nose between the Schott and the 1855. That said, my rather large nose hits the edge of the Cru's mouth. The Cru also shows the most tannin. I have no explanation for that, I'm neither a designer of glasses nor a scientist. That's just my impression. Of the three, ultimately I would choose the 1855 for this maturing Sociando. I also prefer the aesthetics and ergonmics of the 1855 over the Cru, of course that is highly personal.

Thanks to Chris for allowing me to try these wonderful designs. I will circle back tomorrow when I finish the rest of this wine. I also have the Liberte and Mineralite, which are for different wines, but will try them as well for this and perhaps those wines for which they are intended.

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#2 Post by Chris Freemott » January 13th, 2019, 6:39 pm

Robert, thanks for the notes. Have the 'help' put them in the dishwasher, use the China setting and don't let them touch.

No comment on your nose. LOL

Report back when you get time on the L&M!!!

Cheers sir.

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#3 Post by Julian Marshall » January 14th, 2019, 1:03 am

Glad you managed to find some, Robert! I'll be interested to read the follow-up because it doesn't sound as if you preferred this to the normal SM (?).

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#4 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 14th, 2019, 5:14 pm

Julian Marshall wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 1:03 am
Glad you managed to find some, Robert! I'll be interested to read the follow-up because it doesn't sound as if you preferred this to the normal SM (?).
So I've concluded this wine needs time, alot more time. It's totally a maturity issue, not the new oak or the quality of the fruit. It was even tight today when I first poured it two hours ago, and it is finally starting to open up. This wine drinks like a 2005, with very powerful Cabernet fruit. A bruiser of a wine. I have two more bottles, sticking them away for five years minimum. Will pop a 1995 over the next week or so. May drink it side by side with a base cuvee, but need my drinking buddy MarcF to help.

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#5 Post by Marc Frontario » January 14th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Help is on the way brother man!!...I'll look for that Alfert Bat light illuminating in the night sky.
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#6 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 14th, 2019, 5:21 pm

I'll let the security guards know!

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#7 Post by Craig G » January 14th, 2019, 5:25 pm

As I mentioned in another thread, my 96 was corked, but I agree it needs a lot of time. If you can find the 97 I recommend trying it. It was excellent and so much more approachable.
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#8 Post by Julian Marshall » January 15th, 2019, 8:28 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 5:14 pm
Julian Marshall wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 1:03 am
Glad you managed to find some, Robert! I'll be interested to read the follow-up because it doesn't sound as if you preferred this to the normal SM (?).
So I've concluded this wine needs time, alot more time. It's totally a maturity issue, not the new oak or the quality of the fruit. It was even tight today when I first poured it two hours ago, and it is finally starting to open up. This wine drinks like a 2005, with very powerful Cabernet fruit. A bruiser of a wine. I have two more bottles, sticking them away for five years minimum. Will pop a 1995 over the next week or so. May drink it side by side with a base cuvee, but need my drinking buddy MarcF to help.
Cheers - very interesting indeed - pretty impressive that a 96 should still be so closed, even if it’s frustrating for now. Looking forward to reading about the 95.

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#9 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 15th, 2019, 9:32 am

Surprised me as well, even the color of the wine and meniscus was one of youth.

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#10 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 25th, 2019, 4:59 am

Popped the 1995 and followed it last night and the night before. Outstanding.

One of the better Sociandos that I have had. Showed more of the Sociando hallmarks than the 1996 JG cuvee, including a very nice but subtle herbaceous quality and touch of brett, but the ripe cabernet fruit stole the show. A major winner. Excellent depth of materials.

I promised MarcF that I would pop with him on some other night both 1995 bottlings, side-by-side, blind. Should be interesting.

Incidentally, 1995 is the first vintage of this special cuvee, which Jean Gautreau made for himself, was not intended for retail.

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#11 Post by Julian Marshall » January 25th, 2019, 6:01 am

That sounds more like it! Did you try it on its own or with the normal cuvée? I'm guessing not, but that would be very interesting (ignore this bit - I was going to edit it out but it made me laugh so I kept it - read the whole bloody post, Marshall you idiot!!)

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#12 Post by Carlos Delpin » January 25th, 2019, 11:54 am

Counselor, what’s your take on the 96 SM regular bottling? Have a couple of bottles lying about. Wait or drink?

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#13 Post by Lee Barnard » January 25th, 2019, 3:01 pm

Carlos Delpin wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 11:54 am
Counselor, what’s your take on the 96 SM regular bottling? Have a couple of bottles lying about. Wait or drink?
My SM experience doesn't compare to Alfert, but have had the 96 twice in the past 6 months. In a really great place right now, but no rush at all to drink them. Not sure if it gets better or just different. If you have a few bottles, I would give one a try.

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#14 Post by Marc Frontario » January 25th, 2019, 3:08 pm

Another difference between the JG and the regular Sociando is that the JG has a higher % of Cab Sauv.
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 25th, 2019, 3:20 pm

Lee Barnard wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 3:01 pm
Carlos Delpin wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 11:54 am
Counselor, what’s your take on the 96 SM regular bottling? Have a couple of bottles lying about. Wait or drink?
My SM experience doesn't compare to Alfert, but have had the 96 twice in the past 6 months. In a really great place right now, but no rush at all to drink them. Not sure if it gets better or just different. If you have a few bottles, I would give one a try.
Agree 100%, but I have Yak palate. Carlos is very refined.

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#16 Post by Arv R » February 2nd, 2019, 10:32 am

Wow don't see this bottling around, even among geeks.
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#17 Post by Claus Jeppesen » February 2nd, 2019, 11:38 am

Carlos Delpin wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 11:54 am
Counselor, what’s your take on the 96 SM regular bottling? Have a couple of bottles lying about. Wait or drink?
The 79 and 85 and 88 are in the maturing phase
I would wait with the Gautreau bottlings another 10 years
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#18 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 2nd, 2019, 12:33 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
February 2nd, 2019, 11:38 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 11:54 am
Counselor, what’s your take on the 96 SM regular bottling? Have a couple of bottles lying about. Wait or drink?
The 79 and 85 and 88 are in the maturing phase
I would wait with the Gautreau bottlings another 10 years
I've got a smattering of the 95 and 96 JGs, will probably circle back in 5. These are agers, for sure.

Hmm, perhaps I pull out an 86 tonight . . . .

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#19 Post by Claus Jeppesen » February 2nd, 2019, 1:38 pm

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