Kim Z wrote: ↑
September 12th, 2020, 9:09 pm
Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑
September 12th, 2020, 2:25 pm
Kim Z wrote: ↑
September 12th, 2020, 1:13 pm
- safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it's selfish.
This is scientifically incorrect, and I question how behavior of employees at a nearby business in any way compromises your business.
First, should a customer get exposed down the block and come to your tasting room, the disease has not progressed enough for them to be contagious. It takes a number of days after being exposed to a virus before the virus begins replicating and the person is shedding virus and becomes contagious.
Second, most masks - especially the home-made ones - are not very helpful. For those who wear glasses, have you noticed how they fog up when wearing a mask? That is because your moist exhaled breath escapes around the mask edges - and it is this air that spreads covid. Scarves, face-cloths, etc, become wet with exhaled air moisture over time, and they can emit virus-laden aerosols. They do help with coughing or sneezing, which should be mostly avoidable by pre-screening customers.
Third, what about customers tasting? Their masks are off, right?
I work in health care and we use fit-tested (by a licensed vendor) N95 respirators which are much more effective than paper surgical masks or cloth. But they are very uncomfortable and you don't see many in public.
Along the lines of Merrill's argument, ratting on a competitor violates tenets of MYOB, and could be viewed as a way to hurt the business of a competitor. eg, you might get more business if the competitor is shut down for a time. In my practice I've lost patients to competitors who are charging less because they aren't fully complying with health department regulations, but I don't want or need to rat them out. If customers are put off by maskless employees, let them leave and not come back. The market takes care of things better than government.
I am glad you are so concerned with the social niceties if one of your neighbors breaks the law and endangers the community as a whole. If people wore masks as experts keep telling us, then 190,000 Americans would not now be dead, and COVID would be far more contained than it is now.
I think it is telling you have lost patients, with the likelihood that a portion of those patients will get sick and die. You are not going to rat them out, because despite being a responsible health care professional, it might be considered rude. Meanwhile while you wait for the market forces to correct their behavior, this disease is getting out of control.
It is time that people realized that it not isolated micro situations, but every single episode may have macro consequences. We should be looking at this country wide, with everybody made responsible for doing everything in their power not to spread the disease. You, as a health care professional, should know better.
Mark thank you for the uneducated lecture. I suggest next time read what someone writes before you try to virtue-signal them into submission.
My office is 100% compliant with health department regulations - in fact as with many in my county we were inspected and passed with flying colors. I was referring to my competitors who lured away patients with lower fees, while they were not fully compliant with the regulations. Were you not able to understand that while rushing to judgement?
More to the point the evidence that masks significantly impact the trajectory of C-19 is highly debatable - and the debate is not suited to this forum. (I have followed the studies diligently and was trained to do so. I would be happy to show the evidence elsewhere) Setting that aside, with any business there are those who follow the rules and those who don't - obviously even before covid. In rare cases there may be benefits to running to the authorities to protect you from others. But a more dignified, manly (yes you heard it here) way to go is to compete fairly
and fight and stand on your own two feet. Customers are not stupid and they can figure out who is cheating.
it's one thing to question the efficacy of wearing masks. it's a different thing when a winery blatantly goes against the guidelines issued by various agencies to allow them to be open and serve guests.
with regard to the bold above: the hospitality industry as a whole, from wineries, breweries, and distilleries, to drivers, concierges, hotels, resorts, restaurants, production and vineyard crews, is in a bad way right now. "competing fairly" could be viewed as being compliant with the rules and not putting people (employees, guests, etc.) at unnecessary risk. for any reason.
as stated earlier, it is incumbent upon everyone
in the industry to come together in unity and present a message where the health and safety of our guests, teams, and larger community is paramount. when people within the industry start going rogue, e.g. what the winery in question is doing, it reflects poorly upon us all. considering the situation we're all in, it's at best tone-deaf and at worst plainly selfish and potentially destructive. if our guests don't feel safe in visiting the area, they just won't come.