I grab 1984 vintage whenever I can get them at a decent price, since it's the year my wife and I were married. I even ran into a Maryland Cabernet from the 1984 vintage and it was still "ok" (barely) 10 years ago.Thomas Keim wrote: ↑February 11th, 2020, 12:12 pm '84 and '87 are highly underrated vintages, and worth seeking out for all the names listed above - the '87 Montelena is still one of my all time favorite Cabs with a little bottle age -
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I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
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Both are excellent vintages for California Cabernet. The 1984 Ridge Monte Bello we had a few years ago was one of the best bottles of wine I have been fortunate enough to drink.Thomas Keim wrote:
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It could have been the MacDonald fruitJim Clary wrote: ↑December 18th, 2018, 6:26 am Recently drank a ‘59 Charles Krug at Press in St. Helena that someone purchased off their list and sent over to the table for me as a gift. It was the wine of the night, a real feat considering we had an ‘89 Haut-Briton and several other treasures sitting on the table. What struck me the most was how youthful it seemed. Really thrilling stuff.
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I had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
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I had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.John Danza wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pmI had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
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I think we are entering the age where more and more people discover the splendid beauty of aged Cali cabs.
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Just drank a bottle of Michel-Schlumberger Reserve 92. Good cork, color still on red side, adequate fruit and great nose. A very good bottle of wine.
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I can second that. I've found the 1972 Geyserville on a restaurant list last year and it was singing. The head sommelier (of a 3 star restaurant) mistook it for a 20y+ old high-end Richebourg.Howard Cooper wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 2:37 pmI had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.John Danza wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pmI had a 1979 Charles Krug Zinfandel at Berns a couple of years ago that cost $29 for the bottle. It was outstanding and nowhere near over the hill. I know it's not a Cab, but it shows the ability for these older wines to stay the course over time.
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I have been part of several old Zinfandel tastings, and frankly the percentage of disappointments was incredibly high. The only two consistent producers were Ridge and Joseph Swan.
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Ridge Zins from the mid-70s served blind were the best wines of my most recent Berns trips in '16 and '18. Amidst some serious competition.Andy Sc wrote: ↑February 17th, 2020, 1:58 amI can second that. I've found the 1972 Geyserville on a restaurant list last year and it was singing. The head sommelier (of a 3 star restaurant) mistook it for a 20y+ old high-end Richebourg.Howard Cooper wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 2:37 pmI had a 1978 Ridge Geyserville a couple of years ago that also was fabulous.John Danza wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm
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Frankly, the only Zins I drink are from Ridge (at any age), although I would like to try Swan.Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑February 17th, 2020, 3:03 am I have been part of several old Zinfandel tastings, and frankly the percentage of disappointments was incredibly high. The only two consistent producers were Ridge and Joseph Swan.
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I hope that this is not happening at a time when some classic producers (like Phelps) who made wines for a long time that aged very well have moved to the dark side.
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How was the wine?JDavisRoby wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 5:18 am I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
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As I recall the old C Krug Vintage Selects were based on fruit from the See Ranch, now part of Silverado
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It was great! The dusty, cassis and tobacco nose and complex texture I love on older Bordeaux varietals. But, still enough fruit up front and acid in the mid palate which I believe says it had lots of life left. Cork was in great shape.Howard Cooper wrote: ↑February 17th, 2020, 4:22 amHow was the wine?JDavisRoby wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 5:18 am I have a 2001 Forman Cab I intend on opening tonight. Been standing up for a couple days now. Any recommendations on decant time? This will be the oldest Forman I’ve opened by about five years.
Opened a 2014 Angelus No 3 after. What a huge difference!
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The early-1990s stuff has really disappeared from auction and retailer sites. Note the observation in Commerce Corner.
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My go-to for this stuff is typically Winebid. There seems to be a decent number of lots available this week.Victor Hong wrote: ↑May 19th, 2020, 1:56 pm The early-1990s stuff has really disappeared from auction and retailer sites. Note the observation in Commerce Corner.
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Just a joyous bottle which made up for some duds on the actual birthday.
This wine had real energy, both sweet & tart fruit easily appreciated, length without bitterness. Tannins resolved but not completely absent yet. Delicious bottle.
This wine had real energy, both sweet & tart fruit easily appreciated, length without bitterness. Tannins resolved but not completely absent yet. Delicious bottle.
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Birth year wine, G??Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 10:41 am Just a joyous bottle which made up for some duds on the actual birthday.
This wine had real energy, both sweet & tart fruit easily appreciated, length without bitterness. Tannins resolved but not completely absent yet. Delicious bottle.
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Last nights RIDGE Monte Bello with Age Roundtable featured the 1990, 2001 and 2002. This event has been talked about in another chat but below I attached a link to the 1990 bottle 375 ml that can be purchased directly from Ridge. Its expensive but in-line with the 1 and only 1990 bottle found on Wine Searcher. Since the event was last night, I believe this bottle will only be available for a very brief time. It was for sale for last night's event but its still on the website. Its $190 and if you are a member of any of the Ridges programs you get 10% off ($171). There is also free 2 day shipping.
I drank the 1990 last night and it was a beautiful wine.
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I drank the 1990 last night and it was a beautiful wine.
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1/2 way.Dave McIsaac wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 11:04 amBirth year wine, G??Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 10:41 am Just a joyous bottle which made up for some duds on the actual birthday.
This wine had real energy, both sweet & tart fruit easily appreciated, length without bitterness. Tannins resolved but not completely absent yet. Delicious bottle.
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Been absolutely loading up on these two vintages this year as they are my wife and my birth years. Will start popping them open in June over the next few decades, but appreciative of all the positive notes.Ed Steinway wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 6:10 amBoth are excellent vintages for California Cabernet. The 1984 Ridge Monte Bello we had a few years ago was one of the best bottles of wine I have been fortunate enough to drink.Thomas Keim wrote:
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I buy the ‘92 Togni whenever I see it at a decent price...for me, Togni is one of the few CA Cabs that evolves and significantly improves and develops complexity with age. And the ‘92 is at the top of that short list.
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I have had some good luck recently at auction with aged Cal Cab. Picked up early to mid 90s Whitehall Lane which has been lovely. Also has some Staglin and Merryvale profile from the late 90s that has really exceeded expectations. All bought on Winebid and not a bad bottle yet.
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84-87 are the greatest four year run in CA history.
Underrated?
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I might argue with "greatest" but these years are definitely in the discussion, and are far from "underrated".Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 9:01 pm 84-87 are the greatest four year run in CA history.
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Exactly. 91-94 as good perhaps.
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'67 to '70 was better.Glenn L e v i n e wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 9:01 pm 84-87 are the greatest four year run in CA history.
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No way. The case can be made for 91-94 but not those four vintages.
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I would include 95 to the 91-94, so really stellar ones that are still drinking great.
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I would also add 97, all wines I had from this vintages were at least outstanding or great ( Newton , Ahlgren, Diamond Creek VH, Forman, Staglin). I also read many good opionions on www.cellartracker.com about Napa cabernets from 1996 so in fact vintages 1991-1997 would be the greatest period for Northern California Cabernet Sauvignon.Mike Maguire wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 12:01 pm I would include 95 to the 91-94, so really stellar ones that are still drinking great.
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A man of rare taste and intelligence.Br1an Th0rne wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 7:54 pm I buy the ‘92 Togni whenever I see it at a decent price...for me, Togni is one of the few CA Cabs that evolves and significantly improves and develops complexity with age. And the ‘92 is at the top of that short list.

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Depends on the type of wine you like. Very few wines post 1990 that I have found developing the interesting stuff I look for in aged wine.
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I had almost 2 years ago Togni 94, very nice wine however without "wow" factor which I hoped for.Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 1:33 pmA man of rare taste and intelligence.Br1an Th0rne wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 7:54 pm I buy the ‘92 Togni whenever I see it at a decent price...for me, Togni is one of the few CA Cabs that evolves and significantly improves and develops complexity with age. And the ‘92 is at the top of that short list.![]()
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Clearly a case of great minds thinking alikeMark Golodetz wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 1:33 pmA man of rare taste and intelligence.Br1an Th0rne wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 7:54 pm I buy the ‘92 Togni whenever I see it at a decent price...for me, Togni is one of the few CA Cabs that evolves and significantly improves and develops complexity with age. And the ‘92 is at the top of that short list.![]()
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Even older bottles of Kendall-Jackson grocery store wines are catching strong bids.
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Perhaps another decade or two?Marek Hnatyk wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 1:48 pmI had almost 2 years ago Togni 94, very nice wine however without "wow" factor which I hoped for.Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 1:33 pmA man of rare taste and intelligence.Br1an Th0rne wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2020, 7:54 pm I buy the ‘92 Togni whenever I see it at a decent price...for me, Togni is one of the few CA Cabs that evolves and significantly improves and develops complexity with age. And the ‘92 is at the top of that short list.![]()
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I do not think that this particulary bottle which I opened had potencial for further substantial improvment. It was lack of enough concentration of flavours or extra depth to give feeling of multidimensions.Mark Thompson wrote: ↑June 7th, 2020, 10:17 pmPerhaps another decade or two?Marek Hnatyk wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 1:48 pm I had almost 2 years ago Togni 94, very nice wine however without "wow" factor which I hoped for.
It was ourstanding ( I ranked it 94/100) but not enought good to be ranked as Great Wine. I had two times Dalla Valle 1994 Cabernet Sauvignon and both bottles I ranked 95/100, like only 1 point of difference (compare to Togni 94) but for me Dalla Valle was clearly better wine. Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill 1994 ( which I had in 2014) I would also put in the same range as Dalla Valle 1994.
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Loved the 1975 and 1980 Chappellet Cabs.William Kelley wrote: ↑July 17th, 2016, 12:36 amWhile I would eagerly drink any 1970s Chappellet, Philip had already left by at least 1975; by '83 their winemaker was Cathy Corison. Never been able to get a definite answer as to who made the '75, which is an amazing wine, but a number of candidates have been suggested.Nathan Smyth wrote:
For Togni, don't forget that he was at Chappellet for a long time before setting out on his own - maybe as long as the late 1960s through the early 1980s, and he would have had a hand in making almost all of the Chappellet wines of the 1970s [which are still almost affordable].
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1974 was a great vintage, but so were 1970, 1978, 1984, and 1991. I really like 1991. Not sure it is better than the others, but I have had a bunch of really good ones.J a y H a c k wrote: ↑February 11th, 2020, 10:30 am I vote for 1974 as the vintage of the second half of the last century for Cali Cabs. I have one bottle of the 1974 Fetzer generic cabernet left from a case I bought in 1977. $2.50 a bottle by the case. The last one I drank was in 2002. I keep one as a curiosity, planning to open it at a Berserkerfest at my house, but I always forget. Too much sediment to travel. Color looks pretty ugly and the storage was horrible for at least the first 9 years. BUT if I have a chance to buy a 1974 in good condition, I grab it.
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If you are going to extend the range, just go all out and say 1990-1997. Not a dud in the bunch.Mike Maguire wrote: ↑May 29th, 2020, 12:01 pm I would include 95 to the 91-94, so really stellar ones that are still drinking great.
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I was recently bitten by the wine bug, probably after an amazing trip to Tuscany, joined this forum, and have been doing a good amount of reading. Similarly to the OP, I also wanted to taste some aged cali cabs. Given my sister's 30th bday was canceled and she's visiting me in NYC this weekend, I figured I'd open a couple of bottles.
- 90 S Anderson Cab Richard Chambers, 1.5L
- 90 Kenwood Artist Series
Do you recommend decanting these? If so, how long? Any other tips?
Thanks!
- 90 S Anderson Cab Richard Chambers, 1.5L
- 90 Kenwood Artist Series
Do you recommend decanting these? If so, how long? Any other tips?
Thanks!
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Chill them before serving. Use a tea or coffee mesh to filter out any broken cork bits.P. Dias wrote: ↑June 17th, 2020, 6:47 am I was recently bitten by the wine bug, probably after an amazing trip to Tuscany, joined this forum, and have been doing a good amount of reading. Similarly to the OP, I also wanted to taste some aged cali cabs. Given my sister's 30th bday was canceled and she's visiting me in NYC this weekend, I figured I'd open a couple of bottles.
- 90 S Anderson Cab Richard Chambers, 1.5L
- 90 Kenwood Artist Series
Do you recommend decanting these? If so, how long? Any other tips?
Thanks!
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Thank you, Victor!Victor Hong wrote: ↑June 17th, 2020, 8:41 amChill them before serving. Use a tea or coffee mesh to filter out any broken cork bits.P. Dias wrote: ↑June 17th, 2020, 6:47 am I was recently bitten by the wine bug, probably after an amazing trip to Tuscany, joined this forum, and have been doing a good amount of reading. Similarly to the OP, I also wanted to taste some aged cali cabs. Given my sister's 30th bday was canceled and she's visiting me in NYC this weekend, I figured I'd open a couple of bottles.
- 90 S Anderson Cab Richard Chambers, 1.5L
- 90 Kenwood Artist Series
Do you recommend decanting these? If so, how long? Any other tips?
Thanks!
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