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#1 Post by c fu » March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm

Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home. In the past 5 months I can remember the two times I had leftovers from dinners that I brought home (2017 Mugneret Gibourg Vosne Romanee and 2017 Comte Liger Belair Reignot). It's been a long time since I've opened a bottle at home with the express intent of drinking it at home. So long I can't even remember.

I figured since we are all quarantined in and I have no wine dinner plans for the foreseeable future I'd pop a bottle open. To commemorate the special occasion, I picked a 375ml of 2000 Dauvissat Les Clos.

SURPRISE IT WAS PREMOX'd - out of 375ml. Dark golden color. Still some acidity. But nutty and sherry.

Since I couldn't let this night go to waste - I popped open a 2018 Lapierre Morgon "N"- just what the doctor ordered. Spicy, feral undertones, plumy ripe energetic bold dark red fruit. Plenty of acid to keep it going. Tasty tasty tasty.
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#2 Post by alan weinberg » March 21st, 2020, 10:22 pm

half bottles of Dauvissat are treacherous. I still have 95 and 96 that need opening. Stay safe.

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#3 Post by Jeremy Holmes » March 21st, 2020, 10:26 pm

No wonder you're never at home.
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#4 Post by jbray23 » March 21st, 2020, 10:29 pm

I’ve had this wine out of .750 and it was amazing, truly a ‘believer’ bottle, sorry
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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 22nd, 2020, 5:28 am

Consider me surprised by two things. Most significantly, that Fu Playa would drink a Beaujolais. That SS version is generally excellent. I have not tried the 2018 yet. And oddly, that you never drink at home. I actually prefer to enjoy fine bottles at home in a better atmosphere that I control. Don’t get me wrong, I love going out and do so often, until this last week of course, but if I’m popping a MacDaddy wine, I would really rather it be at home. With friends and family, but at home. Yes, I do not have a real baby at home like Fu, just now a college age baby. He prefers Truly, the scourge.

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#6 Post by Markus S » March 22nd, 2020, 6:39 am

c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm
Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
And you call yourself a Berserker?....
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#7 Post by Charlie Carnes » March 22nd, 2020, 7:14 am

I saw a pic of the Clos on insta... that sucker was dark! Oi!
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#8 Post by Mark Y » March 22nd, 2020, 8:20 am

Markus S wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 6:39 am
c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm
Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
And you call yourself a Berserker?....
Well.. when u go out for dinner on Tuesdays and drink La Tache out of magnum....
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#9 Post by Mark Y » March 22nd, 2020, 8:21 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 5:28 am
Consider me surprised by two things. Most significantly, that Fu Playa would drink a Beaujolais.
+1. Had to check if I’m seeing the right IG account

Lapierre morg what???
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#10 Post by Charlie Carnes » March 22nd, 2020, 8:46 am

Mark Y wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 8:20 am
Markus S wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 6:39 am
c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm
Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
And you call yourself a Berserker?....
Well.. when u go out for dinner on Tuesdays and drink La Tache out of magnum....
^^^this for sure!
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#11 Post by Barry L i p t o n » March 22nd, 2020, 9:52 am

Same happened to me with a 375 of Boillot Puligny Montrachet Clos de la Mouchere 2000 (except I didn't feel like opening anything else).

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#12 Post by c fu » March 22nd, 2020, 8:53 pm

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
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No wonder you're never at home.
lol. well played
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#13 Post by Matthew King » March 22nd, 2020, 10:09 pm

c fu wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 8:53 pm
Jeremy Holmes wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:26 pm
No wonder you're never at home.
lol. well played
I’m more embarrassed that I was at the table and allowed clayfu to take home the Reignots I helped pay for! [swoon.gif]
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#14 Post by c fu » March 22nd, 2020, 10:12 pm

Matthew King wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 10:09 pm
c fu wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 8:53 pm
Jeremy Holmes wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:26 pm
No wonder you're never at home.
lol. well played
I’m more embarrassed that I was at the table and allowed clayfu to take home the Reignots I helped pay for! [swoon.gif]
we should have fought to the death. It was delicious by the end of the night btw
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#15 Post by jason stein » March 23rd, 2020, 6:40 am

Sorry hear about that Dauvissat, such a bummer. Had the 2018 Lapierre Julienas recently and found it was lacking acidity to a fault, glad to hear the Morgon is not suffering the same fate

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#16 Post by maureen nelson » March 23rd, 2020, 7:55 am

is a 19+ year old chablis (even one with this pedigree) from half bottle (that has, I am assuming, come from the secondary market) that is oxidized "pre-mox"?

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#17 Post by Robert Love » March 23rd, 2020, 8:04 am

maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 7:55 am
is a 19+ year old chablis (even one with this pedigree) from half bottle (that has, I am assuming, come from the secondary market) that is oxidized "pre-mox"?
This is me being pedantic, but the way I look at, individual bottles are oxidized. The phenomenon where too many bottles are oxidized too soon is premox.

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#18 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 23rd, 2020, 8:08 am

Robert Love wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:04 am
maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 7:55 am
is a 19+ year old chablis (even one with this pedigree) from half bottle (that has, I am assuming, come from the secondary market) that is oxidized "pre-mox"?
This is me being pedantic, but the way I look at, individual bottles are oxidized. The phenomenon where too many bottles are oxidized too soon is premox.
Right, and a half bottle at 19 years is probably not 'pre' mox, but just oxidized, I think that's her point, and I agree
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#19 Post by maureen nelson » March 23rd, 2020, 8:19 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:08 am
Robert Love wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:04 am
maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 7:55 am
is a 19+ year old chablis (even one with this pedigree) from half bottle (that has, I am assuming, come from the secondary market) that is oxidized "pre-mox"?
This is me being pedantic, but the way I look at, individual bottles are oxidized. The phenomenon where too many bottles are oxidized too soon is premox.
Right, and a half bottle at 19 years is probably not 'pre' mox, but just oxidized, I think that's her point, and I agree
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#20 Post by c fu » March 23rd, 2020, 12:00 pm

maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:19 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:08 am
Robert Love wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:04 am

This is me being pedantic, but the way I look at, individual bottles are oxidized. The phenomenon where too many bottles are oxidized too soon is premox.
Right, and a half bottle at 19 years is probably not 'pre' mox, but just oxidized, I think that's her point, and I agree
yep.
disagree. It is premature. Maybe it's right for waxy white rhones tho
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#21 Post by Jayson Cohen » March 23rd, 2020, 12:07 pm

c fu wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 12:00 pm
maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:19 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 8:08 am


Right, and a half bottle at 19 years is probably not 'pre' mox, but just oxidized, I think that's her point, and I agree
yep.
disagree. It is premature. Maybe it's right for waxy white rhones tho
2000 Clos and Preuses out of 750 were both poxed IMO, which was evident years ago. I unfortunately have firsthand experience.

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#22 Post by Chris Seiber » March 23rd, 2020, 12:37 pm

maureen nelson wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 7:55 am
is a 19+ year old chablis (even one with this pedigree) from half bottle (that has, I am assuming, come from the secondary market) that is oxidized "pre-mox"?
I think ideally, an ageworthy white wine should age to old, and then too old, and then dead, without the end actually being oxidation.

However, as a realistic matter, the odds of the death being by oxidation grow as the white gets older, so you do have to factor that risk into your drink/hold decision.

It's like the difference between someone dying of old age versus cancer. As the person gets older, the risk of dying from cancer grows; but if an 85 year old dies of cancer, is that meaningfully different than having died of "old age" or "natural causes?" I don't know.

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#23 Post by Fred Bower » March 23rd, 2020, 1:26 pm

First, fanboy callouts:
1. I am liking the Seiber point of view here.
2. I agree with Alfert with respect to enjoying wine at home. I'm having no problem with taking our current public health recommendation to the next level of hermitude.

I have no idea what the statute of limitations is on calling an oxidized white Burgundy premox'd but it is substantially longer than for any other category of white, ageworthy wine because of the way in which premox swept the region. Dauvissat being a poster child for problematic vintages due to premox keeps it eligible. Coupled with the fact that when old Dauvissat is on, it can be brilliant at this age, even from half bottle, and I'll go along with calling it premox if provenance was otherwise fine. \

I'm late to the Dauvissat game, which seems like a bit of good fortune. I haven't had a premox'd one yet, but we're talking sample size starting at the 2010 vintage and numbering a little over a case worth.

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#24 Post by MBerto » March 23rd, 2020, 1:46 pm

What's a domesticated undertone taste like?
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#25 Post by Philip N. Jones » March 23rd, 2020, 2:06 pm

My question exactly. Feral undertones? Did it smell like an urban cat?
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#26 Post by Markus S » March 23rd, 2020, 2:09 pm

20 years for a white that is not riesling or Valentini is not "pre"-anything. It's simply over the hill.
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#27 Post by Mark Y » March 23rd, 2020, 2:41 pm

Markus S wrote:
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20 years for a white that is not riesling or Valentini is not "pre"-anything. It's simply over the hill.
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#28 Post by Ian S » March 23rd, 2020, 3:49 pm

Markus S wrote:
March 22nd, 2020, 6:39 am
c fu wrote:
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Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
And you call yourself a Berserker?....
Constable Fu is always out making the Wine Rounds on his regular beat.
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#29 Post by c fu » March 23rd, 2020, 5:00 pm

Markus S wrote:
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20 years for a white that is not riesling or Valentini is not "pre"-anything. It's simply over the hill.
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#30 Post by c fu » March 23rd, 2020, 5:01 pm

MBerto wrote:
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What's a domesticated undertone taste like?
i'm assuming kitty litter?
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#31 Post by JLee » March 23rd, 2020, 8:51 pm

But everyone agrees that if a wine is premoxed, even if its opened 20 years from vintage, it will still be different from a "correct" bottle, ie among other things much farther along than it should be.

You could argue a different term should apply, but it's nonetheless severely flawed.

Maybe you think a certain level of oxidation should be expected in this wine, and not having a sample of other bottles to compare you think the bottle is just correct and oxidized. But it's hard to make that claim when you didn't taste it.

I remember having a few 99 roulot lieu dits from the same batch a few years ago and one was so severely oxidized it was the color of rust. The others were ok and roughly what you'd expect for the age. I just called it premoxed.
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#32 Post by alan weinberg » March 23rd, 2020, 9:05 pm

waiting to see if Fu opens another bottle. He’s still in quarantine.

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#33 Post by Lee Short » March 23rd, 2020, 10:33 pm

c fu wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 5:00 pm
Markus S wrote:
March 23rd, 2020, 2:09 pm
20 years for a white that is not riesling or Valentini is not "pre"-anything. It's simply over the hill.
nope
With Charlie on this. I've opened two 2000 Dauvissat Forest in the last year, and both were fantastic. Crossed fingers for my remaining bottles.

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#34 Post by scamhi » March 24th, 2020, 5:07 am

c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm
Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
I can speak to your wife to see if she'll lower the corkage. [snort.gif]
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#35 Post by c fu » March 24th, 2020, 9:52 am

scamhi wrote:
March 24th, 2020, 5:07 am
c fu wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm
Yes. I rarely rarely drink at home.
I can speak to your wife to see if she'll lower the corkage. [snort.gif]
Home is where I open some of my best wines. Nothing beats it. You can take your time with the bottle(s). No need to rush for a taste of the next wine.
can do the same with 4-5 people and 4-5 stems over a long 4 hour dinner. My own company isn't as good as my friend's ;D
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