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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 31st, 2020, 8:11 pm

A truly fantastic, and very open, complex wine. So much better, right now, than it’s 2015 sibling.

Black olives, tapenade

Brine, oyster shells

Humus, rich forest floor

Incredibly fragrant

Black pepper spice

Red citrus fruits

Herbal, herbaceous

Mineral driven

Ferrous metal

Pittsburg-style ribeye

Cured meats

Green bell pepper rind

So fresh

Soil to glass transfer

A maestro (Marcel)

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PS. This 2014, now the third bottle I have opened, is one of the more enjoyable young Juges that I have had, like 2011. I expect more long-term from vintages like 2013 and 2010, but amazing how complex this young Juge is.

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#2 Post by R Roberts » January 31st, 2020, 8:56 pm

Sounds awesome. I only have a small stash of the 2012 (before it became unobtainium for mortals like me). Any idea if its worth cracking one now?
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#3 Post by Yao C » February 1st, 2020, 6:24 am

R Roberts wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 8:56 pm
Sounds awesome. I only have a small stash of the 2012 (before it became unobtainium for mortals like me). Any idea if its worth cracking one now?
I opened one in December and it did start to close up about 60-90m after pouring. Great experience though. My note:

An arresting nose: herbaceous funk, barbecued pork, and a light touch of soil; then palpable power and concentration wrapped around a hidden core of red fruit; there is weight and impact but it's delivered with delicacy and poise; the whole thing starts to recede behind a wall of furry tannin about an hour in but no regrets opening this bottle at this point in its life - my next visit will be in 8 years; very good minus with upside
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#4 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 1st, 2020, 6:42 am

Was reflecting this morning on the Juge. Really a unique, transparent, expressive display of Cornas. So different than most other producers, with the exception of Allemand. Both more on the - and I generally do not like using this expression - Burgundian style of Cornas. This month I have opened Gonon, Gilles, Rousset, Levet and some other Cali syrahs, none compare to this Juge. Only Levet compares on the level of distinction, but Juge is a cut above. A shame not to see this producer, his style, continue. Last of a generation. Makes popping a bottle difficult, but it really should not be. My sister came over last night for a family weekend, with her husband and older son that is quite the foodie, and we popped bottles with no rhyme or reason. My sister asked for something with black olives, we checked out the Rhones, and just grabbed the Juge without thinking. I just wanted her to try it. That’s how it should be.

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#5 Post by I. Howe » February 1st, 2020, 9:52 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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My sister asked for something with black olives, we checked out the Rhones, and just grabbed the Juge without thinking. I just wanted her to try it. That’s how it should be.
That is exactly how it should be. Good job!
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#6 Post by Brent S » February 1st, 2020, 3:41 pm

Except they cost $500.
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#7 Post by RyanC » February 1st, 2020, 5:10 pm

Perfect wine. Perfect note.
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#8 Post by Marcus Dean » February 1st, 2020, 5:21 pm

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#9 Post by Markus S » February 1st, 2020, 5:52 pm

Brent S wrote:
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Except they cost $500.
Just a 'casual sipper' around these parts.
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#10 Post by M.Kaplan » February 1st, 2020, 5:54 pm

Markus S wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:52 pm
Brent S wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 3:41 pm
Except they cost $500.
Just a 'casual sipper' around these parts.
Except they cost <$50 on release.
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#11 Post by R Roberts » February 1st, 2020, 6:06 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:54 pm
Markus S wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:52 pm
Brent S wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 3:41 pm
Except they cost $500.
Just a 'casual sipper' around these parts.
Except they cost <$50 on release.
Except almost no one is able to source them at that price after the 2012 vintage. In 2013 I tried my typical retailers, including Flatiron where I got the 2012- no one I contacted was getting any. In 2014 I set wine-searcher watches, and all I found was at very inflated prices. I stopped trying after that.
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#12 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 1st, 2020, 8:28 pm

I’ll admit, I got lucky. Got turned onto this wine around the 2007 vintage and got an allocation of a case up to 2014, minus the 2013 blip. And then Fu arrived. My 2015 dropped to a sixer plus a Maggie. These wines are treasures.

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#13 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 1st, 2020, 8:30 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:21 pm
too many words
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Juge is the bomb wine
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Of flavor Devine

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#14 Post by C Chen » February 1st, 2020, 8:59 pm

Only Juge I had was from 03. Wasn’t blown away, unfortunately. Have you had it, Alfert? So curious about the 2010 and beyond vintages.
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 1st, 2020, 9:02 pm

C Chen wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 8:59 pm
Only Juge I had was from 03. Have you had, Alfert? So curious about the 2010 and beyond vintages.
Nah, man. I’m a Johnny Come Lately. Started with 2007, 2010 is an amazing vintage. Was impossible to source before then while living in FL until the shipping laws changed.

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#16 Post by Craig G » February 1st, 2020, 10:39 pm

C Chen wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 8:59 pm
Only Juge I had was from 03. Wasn’t blown away, unfortunately. Have you had it, Alfert? So curious about the 2010 and beyond vintages.
03 Juge seemed a bit weird, though it’s the only older one I’ve had. I don’t think it’s representative at least compared to more recent vintages.
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#17 Post by Marcus Dean » February 1st, 2020, 11:33 pm

85 was lovely but unremarkable
86 was a good effort for the vintage but that wasn’t saying much
I haven’t drunk any newer vintages so I can’t comment

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#18 Post by Jim Brennan » February 2nd, 2020, 5:23 am

Lots of frankenwine resulted from the hot '03 vintage in France.

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#19 Post by Peter Valiquette » February 2nd, 2020, 7:06 am

I’ve been fortunate to taste quite a few 2014 N. Rhône’s, including Allemand Reynard, and found them all to be wonderfully perfumed and pure expressions of Syrah that are already drinking well. I’ve concluded that the critics only like big tannic vintages.

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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 2nd, 2020, 7:34 am

Peter Valiquette wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 7:06 am
I’ve been fortunate to taste quite a few 2014 N. Rhône’s, including Allemand Reynard, and found them all to be wonderfully perfumed and pure expressions of Syrah that are already drinking well. I’ve concluded that the critics only like big tannic vintages.
And big ripe ones!

I concur regarding the vintage. Similar to 2011 in that regard.

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#21 Post by Fred C » February 2nd, 2020, 8:11 am

Marcus Dean wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 11:33 pm
85 was lovely but unremarkable
Agreed. Someone at the table kept trying to convince me it blew away the 07 DRC Echezeaux next to it and that’s when I knew Juge wasn’t for me. Now the 85 Verset, that’s a wow wine.
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#22 Post by Markus S » February 2nd, 2020, 11:13 am

R Roberts wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 6:06 pm
M.Kaplan wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:54 pm
Markus S wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:52 pm


Just a 'casual sipper' around these parts.
Except they cost <$50 on release.
Except almost no one is able to source them at that price after the 2012 vintage. In 2013 I tried my typical retailers, including Flatiron where I got the 2012- no one I contacted was getting any. In 2014 I set wine-searcher watches, and all I found was at very inflated prices. I stopped trying after that.
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#23 Post by Marcus Dean » February 2nd, 2020, 12:10 pm

Markus S wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 11:13 am
R Roberts wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 6:06 pm
M.Kaplan wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 5:54 pm


Except they cost <$50 on release.

Gotta blame the hipster Rhone nubes on this one. Ruined it for the rest of us.
Fred C wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 8:11 am
Marcus Dean wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 11:33 pm
85 was lovely but unremarkable
Agreed. Someone at the table kept trying to convince me it blew away the 07 DRC Echezeaux next to it and that’s when I knew Juge wasn’t for me. Now the 85 Verset, that’s a wow wine.
I find the elevation of Juge to its current mythical level rather an odd construct.

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#24 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 2nd, 2020, 12:50 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:10 pm
Markus S wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 11:13 am
R Roberts wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 6:06 pm



Gotta blame the hipster Rhone nubes on this one. Ruined it for the rest of us.
Fred C wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 8:11 am
Marcus Dean wrote:
February 1st, 2020, 11:33 pm
85 was lovely but unremarkable
Agreed. Someone at the table kept trying to convince me it blew away the 07 DRC Echezeaux next to it and that’s when I knew Juge wasn’t for me. Now the 85 Verset, that’s a wow wine.
I find the elevation of Juge to its current mythical level rather an odd construct.

But you also admitted in a post above that you have not tried any newer vintages of Juge, so it’s not really a fair comment for current releases. Likewise, I have not had any vintages more mature than 2007, so would not be fair for me to opine with confidence how well these wines can age. What I can say is, I’ve got the greatest palate in the history of the known world for, and here it comes, ME. I love love this stuff. Loved it first moment I tried it, well before I even knew what Juge really was, and a few years before the hype killed allocations and accessibility. I think my Northern Rhone palate is decent, and I’ve been drinking them for quite some time, from Clape, Allemand, Jamet, Gonon, Benetiere, Faurie, Michel, to Chave, to the range of lower to mid-tiers that grace the market and dinner tables. With the exception of Chave, and perhaps Allemand Reynard, I’d take Juge over any of them. Of course, YMMV.

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#25 Post by John Morris » February 2nd, 2020, 12:58 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:50 pm
But you also admitted in a post above that you have not tried any newer vintages of Juge, so it’s not really a fair comment for current releases. Likewise, I have not had any vintages more mature than 2007, so would not be fair for me to opine with confidence how well these wines can age. What I can say is, I’ve got the greatest palate in the history of the known world for, and here it comes, ME. I love love this stuff. Loved it first moment I tried it, well before I even knew what Juge really was, and a few years before the hype killed allocations and accessibility. I think my Northern Rhone palate is decent, and I’ve been drinking them for quite some time, from Clape, Allemand, Jamet, Gonon, Benetiere, Faurie, Michel, to Chave, to the range of lower to mid-tiers that grace the market and dinner tables. With the exception of Chave, and perhaps Allemand Reynard, I’d take Juge over any of them. Of course, YMMV.
No mention of your beloved Levet?
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#26 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 2nd, 2020, 1:01 pm

Oh wow, terrible oversight! Like major oversight.

Love love Levet.

Like the Laphroaig of Cote Rotie.

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#27 Post by Marcus Dean » February 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:50 pm
Marcus Dean wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:10 pm
I find the elevation of Juge to its current mythical level rather an odd construct.

But you also admitted in a post above that you have not tried any newer vintages of Juge, so it’s not really a fair comment for current releases. Likewise, I have not had any vintages more mature than 2007, so would not be fair for me to opine with confidence how well these wines can age. What I can say is, I’ve got the greatest palate in the history of the known world for, and here it comes, ME. I love love this stuff. Loved it first moment I tried it, well before I even knew what Juge really was, and a few years before the hype killed allocations and accessibility. I think my Northern Rhone palate is decent, and I’ve been drinking them for quite some time, from Clape, Allemand, Jamet, Gonon, Benetiere, Faurie, Michel, to Chave, to the range of lower to mid-tiers that grace the market and dinner tables. With the exception of Chave, and perhaps Allemand Reynard, I’d take Juge over any of them. Of course, YMMV.
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Thats cool, I respect your right to form your own opinion and I am in no way attempting to denigrate your love for Juge and I am sure you predate the social media hysteria that has seen the market become what it is today.

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#28 Post by John Morris » February 2nd, 2020, 1:34 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:50 pm
Marcus Dean wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:10 pm
I find the elevation of Juge to its current mythical level rather an odd construct.
But you also admitted in a post above that you have not tried any newer vintages of Juge, so it’s not really a fair comment for current releases. Likewise, I have not had any vintages more mature than 2007, so would not be fair for me to opine with confidence how well these wines can age. What I can say is, I’ve got the greatest palate in the history of the known world for, and here it comes, ME. I love love this stuff. Loved it first moment I tried it, well before I even knew what Juge really was, and a few years before the hype killed allocations and accessibility. I think my Northern Rhone palate is decent, and I’ve been drinking them for quite some time, from Clape, Allemand, Jamet, Gonon, Benetiere, Faurie, Michel, to Chave, to the range of lower to mid-tiers that grace the market and dinner tables. With the exception of Chave, and perhaps Allemand Reynard, I’d take Juge over any of them. Of course, YMMV.
Thats cool, I respect your right to form your own opinion and I am in no way attempting to denigrate your love for Juge and I am sure you predate the social media hysteria that has seen the market become what it is today.
Oh, go ahead and denigrate his love of Juge! Go for it!
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#29 Post by Marcus Dean » February 2nd, 2020, 1:41 pm

John Morris wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 1:34 pm
Marcus Dean wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 12:50 pm


But you also admitted in a post above that you have not tried any newer vintages of Juge, so it’s not really a fair comment for current releases. Likewise, I have not had any vintages more mature than 2007, so would not be fair for me to opine with confidence how well these wines can age. What I can say is, I’ve got the greatest palate in the history of the known world for, and here it comes, ME. I love love this stuff. Loved it first moment I tried it, well before I even knew what Juge really was, and a few years before the hype killed allocations and accessibility. I think my Northern Rhone palate is decent, and I’ve been drinking them for quite some time, from Clape, Allemand, Jamet, Gonon, Benetiere, Faurie, Michel, to Chave, to the range of lower to mid-tiers that grace the market and dinner tables. With the exception of Chave, and perhaps Allemand Reynard, I’d take Juge over any of them. Of course, YMMV.
Thats cool, I respect your right to form your own opinion and I am in no way attempting to denigrate your love for Juge and I am sure you predate the social media hysteria that has seen the market become what it is today.
Oh, go ahead and denigrate his love of Juge! Go for it!
Well there have been whispers that this was all part of a guerrilla marketing campaign designed to increase the uptake of a Juge to Rougeard stock swap, sort of a vinous pump and dump.

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#30 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 2nd, 2020, 1:46 pm

Scandalous, salacious gossip and rumors, prolly started by Todder, who has a penchant for such things.

Of course, I had to shut that down hard, see my last post from 4:59 PM:

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#31 Post by Marcus Dean » February 3rd, 2020, 2:42 pm

The floodgates of the Juge economy have opened on Commerce Corner, be interesting to see where it ends up, would make a great Doctoral Thesis on the effects of social media on the secondary market for small Cornas producers.

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#32 Post by C Chen » February 3rd, 2020, 2:57 pm

Marcus Dean wrote:
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The floodgates of the Juge economy have opened on Commerce Corner, be interesting to see where it ends up, would make a great Doctoral Thesis on the effects of social media on the secondary market for small Cornas producers.
See bourbon market.
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#33 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 3rd, 2020, 2:57 pm

I gifted a bottle of 2014 Juge to Corey for serving as my mule. You have no idea what that man would gift it for. NSFW or this vibrant, family-oriented community and bastion of peace and harmony.

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#34 Post by Jayson Cohen » February 5th, 2020, 6:55 am

So. Good.

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#35 Post by Alan Rath » February 6th, 2020, 9:58 am

You can't get Juge any more, but you can maybe get close:

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#36 Post by C Chen » February 6th, 2020, 11:41 am

Alan Rath wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 9:58 am
You can't get Juge any more, but you can maybe get close:

Hmmm, "In California" is a big caveat. :P
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#37 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 6th, 2020, 11:50 am

The 2017 is excellent. Kudos to Paul!

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