So what do we know about Burgs this year and the Hospices de Beaune auction?

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So what do we know about Burgs this year and the Hospices de Beaune auction?

#1 Post by J a y H a c k » November 5th, 2019, 10:43 am

I just got an invitation from Christie's to attend the auction in Beaune this year, with a list of barrels to be auctioned. Not that I want to go to Beaune that weekend, since I have other obligations, but as one of the original Gang of Five that put together HAG in 2005, I thought I would ask whether anyone knows anything about the current vintage. I can see the 2019 vintage version of all those barrels of wine with the delicious stuff I got from 2005. The Meursault we bought is almost all gone with no premox and maybe the 2005 Mazi will be ready before I die.
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#2 Post by William Gladstone » November 5th, 2019, 1:02 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 10:43 am
I just got an invitation from Christie's to attend the auction in Beaune this year, with a list of barrels to be auctioned. Not that I want to go to Beaune that weekend, since I have other obligations, but as one of the original Gang of Five that put together HAG in 2005, I thought I would ask whether anyone knows anything about the current vintage. I can see the 2019 vintage version of all those barrels of wine with the delicious stuff I got from 2005. The Meursault we bought is almost all gone with no premox and maybe the 2005 Mazi will be ready before I die.
Red or White? or both?

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#3 Post by alan weinberg » November 5th, 2019, 1:07 pm

wow, that was a long time ago that we all did that!

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#4 Post by J a y H a c k » November 6th, 2019, 8:11 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
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wow, that was a long time ago that we all did that!
We are both getting MUCH older.
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#5 Post by Jeremy Holmes » November 6th, 2019, 9:41 pm

The early take on '19 with a few of the guys we deal with is that it is a very low yielding and very high quality vintage in both colours.
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#6 Post by Geoff F. » November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm

So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
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#7 Post by paul hanna » November 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm

Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
2013....

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#8 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » November 7th, 2019, 9:02 am

Geoff - in terms of whites, the vintage run has been rather incredible. The last quite dodgy vintage was 2006, before that 2003.
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#9 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 7th, 2019, 9:09 am

Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
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#10 Post by HMechbal » November 7th, 2019, 9:10 am

Is 2017 looking better than 2018 for reds ?
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#11 Post by Howard Cooper » November 7th, 2019, 1:02 pm

HMechbal wrote:
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Is 2017 looking better than 2018 for reds ?
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I should comment that I have not tasted any yet.
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#12 Post by Fred C » November 7th, 2019, 4:05 pm

paul hanna wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
2013....
Very much disagree with the notion 13 is lacking. May end up being very good for both colors.
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#13 Post by Nick Gangas » November 7th, 2019, 4:08 pm

HMechbal wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 9:10 am
Is 2017 looking better than 2018 for reds ?
consensus is 18 is better than 17 for reds. Opposite for whites. Of course this depends on your preferences.

What the hell has happened here. Really no discussion of 19's and very little of 18 too. A sign ?

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#14 Post by Nick Gangas » November 7th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Fred C wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:05 pm
paul hanna wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
2013....
Very much disagree with the notion 13 is lacking. May end up being very good for both colors.
I'm with Fred. Global warming has reduced vintage variability as well as gains in knowledge.

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#15 Post by Kelly Walker » November 7th, 2019, 5:22 pm

Global warming has reduced gains in knowledge? Is there anything not affected? 😀
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#16 Post by paul hanna » November 7th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Fred C wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:05 pm
paul hanna wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 11:41 pm
Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
2013....
Very much disagree with the notion 13 is lacking. May end up being very good for both colors.
Very good (maybe - and perhaps more so at the top) but not "AMAZING" as per the question posed.

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#17 Post by Larry Link » November 7th, 2019, 11:52 pm

I’ll take 13 whites over 16. 16s are too thick and glycerol for my palate.

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#18 Post by Fred C » November 8th, 2019, 3:34 am

Larry Link wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 11:52 pm
I’ll take 13 whites over 16. 16s are too thick and glycerol for my palate.
Agreed! Something disjointed about 2016 whites right now. I don’t know if it’ll settle down but I’m limiting my 2016 white burgundy purchases.
paul hanna wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Very good (maybe - and perhaps more so at the top) but not "AMAZING" as per the question posed.
For what it’s worth, I read somewhere Christophe Roumier said the structure of his 2013s reminded him of 1978.
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#19 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » November 8th, 2019, 4:22 am

Kelly Walker wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 5:22 pm
Global warming has reduced gains in knowledge? Is there anything not affected? 😀
Thank you for that! :)
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#20 Post by Greg K » November 8th, 2019, 5:57 am

Nick Gangas wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:08 pm
HMechbal wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 9:10 am
Is 2017 looking better than 2018 for reds ?
consensus is 18 is better than 17 for reds.
I don’t think that’s a consensus view. I think people who loved 15 will like 18 a lot. But to me 18 was pretty hot I’m barrel, especially in the Cote de Nuits.
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#21 Post by Howard Cooper » November 8th, 2019, 6:16 am

Geoff F. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 10:32 pm
So, 2014 was amazing for whites, 2015 was big and lush, 2016 was good but limited quantity due to hail, 2017 was good and abundant, 2018 was fine and 2019 is good? When was the last not-amazing Burgundy vintage?
Are all these vintages "amazing"? I agree that 2014 was amazing for whites, but to me amazing for reds (of relatively recent vintages) are 1999, 2005 and 2010 and I am not at all sure that any of the vintages you mention are of that level for reds. [Again, I have not tasted any 2018s or 2019s yet so cannot comment on those vintages.]

As for vintages of lower quality, I would say that the last such vintage for reds is 2011 where the wines I have tasted are mixed (2004 was the last really poor vintage) and 2003 probably for whites.
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#22 Post by R.Oesterle » November 16th, 2019, 3:58 am

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#23 Post by J a y H a c k » November 16th, 2019, 6:35 am

The 2005 Meursault 1er Cru Genevrières, Cuvée Philippe Le Bon, of which I got 18 bottles, has been continually outstanding and gets better with every bottle, and no premox. I would love to buy some of the current vintage, but the brain damage caused by the last time we did this makes it to aggravating. Oh well.
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#24 Post by John Morris » November 17th, 2019, 8:40 am

R.Oesterle wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 3:58 am
notes JM
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