How to correctly pronounce Piper Heidsieck in French?

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How to correctly pronounce Piper Heidsieck in French?

#1 Post by YLee » October 17th, 2019, 8:37 am

Is it PEEP-UR or P-P?
Is it Hide-Seek or more like Ed-Seek?
I am not looking for American or British pronounciation. I want to know authentic french.

I understood it as P-P Ed-Seek.
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#2 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 17th, 2019, 8:42 am

It's a German name. Not sure the French pronunciation is any more relevant that the Brit or US version
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#3 Post by Gus Siokis » October 17th, 2019, 8:44 am

I use this tool when trying to find the correct pronunciations.......

https://forvo.com/word/piper-heidsieck/#fr
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#4 Post by Chris Seiber » October 17th, 2019, 8:47 am

pee-pair eyed-zeek, at least to the French.

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#5 Post by YLee » October 17th, 2019, 8:50 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:42 am
It's a German name. Not sure the French pronunciation is any more relevant that the Brit or US version
Yes but since it is Champagne I want to know how French pronounce it.
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#6 Post by AndrewH » October 17th, 2019, 9:20 am

YLee wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:50 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:42 am
It's a German name. Not sure the French pronunciation is any more relevant that the Brit or US version
Yes but since it is Champagne I want to know how French pronounce it.
A propos of not much - I recently went to the Taittinger house in Reims. They start the tour with a brief promotional film about the history of the winery and the caves. We saw the English version, and the narrator kept talking about the Tat-en-jay family but then the Tat-in-jer Champagne. Very odd.
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#7 Post by brigcampbell » October 17th, 2019, 9:36 am

What's with all the German names for Champagne houses? Krug, Mumm, Bollinger, Heidsieck, Deutz, etc.

Germans liked sparklers before the French

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http://schiller-wine.blogspot.com/2012/ ... roots.html

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#8 Post by John Morris » October 17th, 2019, 9:51 am

brigcampbell wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 9:36 am
What's with all the German names for Champagne houses? Krug, Mumm, Bollinger, Heidsieck, Deutz, etc.

Germans liked sparklers before the French

Interesting read
http://schiller-wine.blogspot.com/2012/ ... roots.html
That's interesting! Never thought about. Thanks. A completely different story than Alsace, which was German-speaking through most of its history. No surprise that the producers there have names like Zind-Humbrecht, Schlumberger, Weinbach, Trimbach, etc.
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#9 Post by Gerhard P. » October 17th, 2019, 10:11 am

Pee-peh(r) Ayd-seek ... (like (h)ide without "h")

French cannot pronounce the "H" in Heid... so it´s definitely left out.
Usually the ending -er is pronounced -eh, but I´ve heard some pronouncing the final "r" very softly ...
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#10 Post by Chris Seiber » October 17th, 2019, 10:19 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:11 am
Pee-peh(r) Ayd-seek ... (like (h)ide without "h")

French cannot pronounce the "H" in Heid... so it´s definitely left out.
Usually the ending -er is pronounced -eh, but I´ve heard some pronouncing the final "r" very softly ...
A good suggestion from the excellent Bellucci book about wine pronunciations is that you think, but don't say, the r in Piper. Having the thought of the r sound in your head as you say "peh" helps you strike a relatively better balance in the way a French speaker would pronounce it.

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#11 Post by Todd F r e n c h » October 17th, 2019, 10:58 am

Chris Seiber wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:19 am
Gerhard P. wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:11 am
Pee-peh(r) Ayd-seek ... (like (h)ide without "h")

French cannot pronounce the "H" in Heid... so it´s definitely left out.
Usually the ending -er is pronounced -eh, but I´ve heard some pronouncing the final "r" very softly ...
A good suggestion from the excellent Bellucci book about wine pronunciations is that you think, but don't say, the r in Piper. Having the thought of the r sound in your head as you say "peh" helps you strike a relatively better balance in the way a French speaker would pronounce it.
Yes, hard to notate exactly how the 'r' would sound at the end of Piper, in the French accent, as it's more of a throat utterance than a letter
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#12 Post by Otto Forsberg » October 18th, 2019, 1:52 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:58 am
it's more of a throat utterance than a letter
As a linguist, I find this sentence rather nonsensical.

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#13 Post by Jim Stewart » October 18th, 2019, 4:56 am

Otto, who would be more qualified than Mr. French to help us pronounce something in French? Actually I find his description fairly accurate even though hearing the word pronounced after his description would help bring home his point. Cheers. -Jim
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#14 Post by Otto Forsberg » October 18th, 2019, 5:06 am

Jim Stewart wrote:
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Otto, who would be more qualified than Mr. French to help us pronounce something in French? Actually I find his description fairly accurate even though hearing the word pronounced after his description would help bring home his point. Cheers. -Jim
Oh, but I did not say a single word about whether the description was correct or not. My comment was only about the remark on throat utterance and letter.

Todd's description on the pronunciation of "Piper" sounds quite accurate, in fact.

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#15 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 18th, 2019, 5:10 am

Chris Seiber wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:19 am
Gerhard P. wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 10:11 am
Pee-peh(r) Ayd-seek ... (like (h)ide without "h")

French cannot pronounce the "H" in Heid... so it´s definitely left out.
Usually the ending -er is pronounced -eh, but I´ve heard some pronouncing the final "r" very softly ...
A good suggestion from the excellent Bellucci book about wine pronunciations is that you think, but don't say, the r in Piper. Having the thought of the r sound in your head as you say "peh" helps you strike a relatively better balance in the way a French speaker would pronounce it.
Interesting way to put it. I only have college level French, but always thought of French as only half-pronouncing many letters. Particularly when compared to the firmer pronunciations common in Germanic languages, but also more so than the other Romance languages.

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#16 Post by Jim Stewart » October 18th, 2019, 5:16 am

Otto Forsberg wrote:
October 18th, 2019, 5:06 am
Jim Stewart wrote:
October 18th, 2019, 4:56 am
Otto, who would be more qualified than Mr. French to help us pronounce something in French? Actually I find his description fairly accurate even though hearing the word pronounced after his description would help bring home his point. Cheers. -Jim
Oh, but I did not say a single word about whether the description was correct or not. My comment was only about the remark on throat utterance and letter.

Todd's description on the pronunciation of "Piper" sounds quite accurate, in fact.
Fair enough, though I was trying to "pronounce" my first comment with my tongue placed firmly in my cheek. Cheers.
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Re: How to correctly pronounce Piper Heidsieck in French?

#17 Post by John Kight » October 18th, 2019, 11:10 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:42 am
It's a German name. Not sure the French pronunciation is any more relevant that the Brit or US version
The problem is that usually there likely is no standard Brit or US version, while in French there is likely a "correct answer". In this case, I assume there may be a common US version (Pipe-er Hide-Sick), just because Piper is an actual English word, and Heidsieck seems to only have a couple of possible phonetic possibilities in English). Most Brits and Americans just do their best to pronounce a name based on typical English phonetics, which may result in various different pronunciations. Some may have a limited knowledge of French pronunciation rules, so for example may go with the "silent H" at the beginning of Heidseick. Some may say "Hide-sick", some "Hide-Seek" and others "Heed-Seek". (I know someone who says "Cotey-Rotey", but that doesn't make it the "US version" of Cote Rotie)....

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#18 Post by ATaylor » October 18th, 2019, 11:49 am



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#19 Post by YLee » October 18th, 2019, 12:18 pm

I heard Peepuhr Ide seek or maybe zeek
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#20 Post by Alain M » October 18th, 2019, 12:39 pm

Not really proud to say this, but I would bet a good bottle that most French people who don't actually know how it is pronounced would butcher it. You could go from "Pee-perrr Hide-sickkkkk" to "Piii-pair Hid-sec" depending on the folks.

Edit: so the good news is you can't really be wrong when talking about this wine around French people! champagne.gif

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#21 Post by YLee » October 18th, 2019, 12:42 pm

Maybe depends on which part of France they are from?
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#22 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 18th, 2019, 12:47 pm

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Maybe depends on which part of France they are from?
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#23 Post by Richard Albert » October 18th, 2019, 2:30 pm

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#24 Post by lleichtman » October 18th, 2019, 2:36 pm

Somehow, when I read this question images of Steve Martin pop up.
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#25 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 18th, 2019, 4:13 pm

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#26 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 18th, 2019, 5:31 pm

There are a lot of German names in Champagne because a lot of Germans with initiative and investment capital flocked to the region as it became Rich & Famous.

Of course they were accepted or rejected by locals based on the way they did business and the way treated the neighbor farmers whose grapes they purchased.

During the 1910 - 11 Champagne riots, not a single life was lost as Moet, Mumm and Piper were burned to the ground and every bottle in their cellars smashed. Bollinger and Roederer were untouched.

When in France in a restaurant, I would order PEEP-er I'D-zeek. I used to know some linguistics, but that was then and this is now.

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#27 Post by James Billy » October 19th, 2019, 1:54 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 18th, 2019, 12:47 pm
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Maybe depends on which part of France they are from?
Condom is a town in France.

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#28 Post by Julian Marshall » October 19th, 2019, 3:07 am

Most French people would just say Peepur or Peepair, not daring to try the Heidsieck bit, it's far too tricky!

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#29 Post by RichardFlack » October 19th, 2019, 5:01 am

Just Order Bollinger. [stirthepothal.gif]

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#30 Post by Chris Blum » October 19th, 2019, 6:35 am

I still don’t get the why. The French “mispronounce” the name and you want try to follow suit?
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#31 Post by James Billy » October 19th, 2019, 11:32 pm

Alain M wrote:
October 18th, 2019, 12:39 pm
Not really proud to say this, but I would bet a good bottle that most French people who don't actually know how it is pronounced would butcher it. You could go from "Pee-perrr Hide-sickkkkk" to "Piii-pair Hid-sec" depending on the folks.

Edit: so the good news is you can't really be wrong when talking about this wine around French people! champagne.gif

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#32 Post by Jim Stewart » October 20th, 2019, 7:55 am

James Billy wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 11:32 pm
Alain M wrote:
October 18th, 2019, 12:39 pm
Not really proud to say this, but I would bet a good bottle that most French people who don't actually know how it is pronounced would butcher it. You could go from "Pee-perrr Hide-sickkkkk" to "Piii-pair Hid-sec" depending on the folks.

Edit: so the good news is you can't really be wrong when talking about this wine around French people! champagne.gif

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#33 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 20th, 2019, 8:24 am

RichardFlack wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 5:01 am
Just Order Bollinger. [stirthepothal.gif]

Or Dom!

Much easier to say. With panache.

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#34 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 20th, 2019, 8:46 am

Piper Heidseick may be a German name, but it is a French Champagne house. However they pronounce it, that is therefore the correct pronunciation. I expect that is the general answer here: Peepehr Idezeek. If you ask for a pronunciation on the internet, that's what you get.

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#35 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 20th, 2019, 8:56 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
October 20th, 2019, 8:46 am
Piper Heidseick may be a German name, but it is a French Champagne house. However they pronounce it, that is therefore the correct pronunciation. I expect that is the general answer here: Peepehr Idezeek. If you ask for a pronunciation on the internet, that's what you get.
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#37 Post by YLee » October 21st, 2019, 5:44 am

Ron Slye wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 5:23 am
https://howdoyousaythatword.com/how-to- ... nes-names/

Some additional information.
So according to this, I was saying Heidsieck correctly. Lol. [scratch.gif]
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#38 Post by Jeff O k e a n » October 21st, 2019, 10:13 am

As long as you pronounce the "r" in the back of your tongue / throat like the French do, you're OK with Pee-pair Eyed-zeek; but if you don't, try Pee-pae Eyed-zeek. I would say that Pee-pay is fine also, but Americans tend to make a 'ee' sound at the end of "pay"; which is incorrect. Try to get that back of tongue "r" though, like you're beginning to gargle.

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#39 Post by Alex Rychlewski » October 22nd, 2019, 7:38 am

Agree with above post: pee-pair ayed-seek.
That would be an "s" rather than a "z".

Lots of examples of French pronunciation of foreign languages being different in the world of wine: Palmer, Rothschild, Barton, Smith, etc.

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#40 Post by Steve Slatcher » October 22nd, 2019, 9:54 am

I think if we are going to pronounce non-French Champagne houses the French way, we should also pronounce "Champagne" itself as the French do.

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