2016 TN: A non-Cornas-like Cornas from Gilles

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2016 TN: A non-Cornas-like Cornas from Gilles

#1 Post by Matthew King » July 11th, 2019, 9:46 am

2016 Guillaume Gilles Cornas Nouvelle R Les Rieux

I'm hard to please when it comes to Cornas. Some bottles are just too traditional -- rustic, a tad hard, and too much barnyard. Others are too modern -- glossy, a tad ripe and a bit indistinct. Gilles is usually a sweet spot producer for me. But this bottle left me nonplussed. It almost drank like a glou-glou Beaujolais -- plenty of juicy blackberry fruit and uplifting acids. But for the life of me I couldn't detect any tannins. There wasn't much grip. I need me some savory notes or just a wee bit of funk. I want a beauty mark in a bottle of Cornas to hold my attention. This was just too easy-going and bad QPR at $55. I will try the regular Cornas bottle in a bit to compare and contrast.

This is the first time I've had a wine from this particular plot. Any one else have more satisfying results? Is this typical?
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#2 Post by Alan Rath » July 11th, 2019, 10:17 am

This is the wine from a newer vineyard planting, higher up on the plateau above the older, steep part of Cornas, right? Richer soil, younger vines, so maybe not a big surprise?
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#3 Post by Matthew King » July 11th, 2019, 6:45 pm

Thanks for info, Alan. I guess it makes sense. If you served me this blind, I'd be hard pressed to identify it as N. Rhone I bet ...
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#4 Post by Arv R » July 14th, 2019, 5:00 pm

Maybe age 3 isn't the when this will show best, but I haven't tried anything from this producer.

Young syrah seems to have a matchstick, asphalt, sulfury note to me so normally I let time do her magic on this AOC.
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#5 Post by IlkkaL » July 14th, 2019, 10:02 pm

I bought a few bottles of a new vigneron's 2017 VdF Syrah which was sold as something that will be Cornas in future vintages. It drinks very much like what you describe here but was priced at 16.50 € a bottle which seems somewhat reasonable, although of course one can get really serious and structured Saint Joseph with just a few extra Euros.
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#6 Post by c fu » July 14th, 2019, 11:55 pm

damn this is $55 now?
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#7 Post by Zachary Ross » July 15th, 2019, 4:00 am

Maybe leave some for tomorrow? My note on this wine:

11/17/2018
Well, here's another very easy-drinking and fresh 2016 wine from the Northern Rhone. This has a pretty, lifted floral/fruity nose strongly accented by darker savory notes that intensify on day 2. On the palate it's all perfectly ripe, juicy fruit (raspberry/boysenberry if one must), autumnal savory notes, and, with lots of air, a mouthwatering mineral finish. There is just the barest sense of tannins. This is very good and will probably mature in the shorter term. The 2015 blew me away with its power and complexity and this just isn't that, but that's no crime.
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#8 Post by Greg K » July 15th, 2019, 5:57 am

c fu wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 11:55 pm
damn this is $55 now?
Damn hipsters. Crush sent an email claiming this is now his “it” wine and impossible to find [tease.gif]
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#9 Post by Sh@n A » July 15th, 2019, 6:01 am

Greg K wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:57 am
c fu wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 11:55 pm
damn this is $55 now?
Damn hipsters. Crush sent an email claiming this is now his “it” wine and impossible to find [tease.gif]
I've received many emails saying the same, at higher pricing than $55. most shops in US I believe are $70-75+.
I tried the wine a few weeks ago, and (for me) it showed some heat.... didn't understand the QPR at $75.
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#10 Post by Greg K » July 15th, 2019, 6:44 am

Sh@n A wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:01 am
Greg K wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:57 am
c fu wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 11:55 pm
damn this is $55 now?
Damn hipsters. Crush sent an email claiming this is now his “it” wine and impossible to find [tease.gif]
I've received many emails saying the same, at higher pricing than $55. most shops in US I believe are $70-75+.
I tried the wine a few weeks ago, and (for me) it showed some heat.... didn't understand the QPR at $75.
I think it’s similar to what Balthazar is doing with his Sans Soufre, which is a fun wine but in a glou glou kind of way, which isn’t meant for aging or to be very representative of Cornas imo.
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#11 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 15th, 2019, 6:54 am

It’s fine, but was not something that causes me to rush out and buy more. Greg is on point with his comment.

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#12 Post by Sh@n A » July 15th, 2019, 7:00 am

Greg K wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:44 am
I think it’s similar to what Balthazar is doing with his Sans Soufre, which is a fun wine but in a glou glou kind of way, which isn’t meant for aging or to be very representative of Cornas imo.
I thought 2016 Balthazar Chaillot was a level ahead of the Gilles at the same US price...
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#13 Post by Greg K » July 15th, 2019, 7:14 am

Sh@n A wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:00 am
Greg K wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:44 am
I think it’s similar to what Balthazar is doing with his Sans Soufre, which is a fun wine but in a glou glou kind of way, which isn’t meant for aging or to be very representative of Cornas imo.
I thought 2016 Balthazar Chaillot was a level ahead of the Gilles at the same US price...
In fairness, the 16 Balthazar Chaillot is spectacular and I went big on it, so that’s not necessarily a criticism to me. Gilles is consistently very good, happy to buy it every year.
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#14 Post by Laurent Gibet » October 14th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Guillaume Gilles Cornas Nouvelle R Les Rieux 2017 : 17,5/20 - 14/10/2019
A gem, pure, balanced, so persistantly elegant (nearly a Cote-Rôtie style).

PS : the Cornas 2010 I had a few weeks ago was definitly not ready to drink.
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#15 Post by Greg K » October 14th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Had another bottle of this recently, liked it better. I think it's significantly better than Balthazar's Sans Soufre, though I also don't think it's as good as Gilles' Cornas bottling either.
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#16 Post by Laurent Gibet » October 15th, 2019, 2:40 am

Greg K wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:50 pm
Had another bottle of this recently, liked it better. I think it's significantly better than Balthazar's Sans Soufre, though I also don't think it's as good as Gilles' Cornas bottling either.
7 may 2019 :
Franck Balthazar Sélections Cornas Chaillot 2016 : 17/20
An excellent wine. I suppose it is the cuvée with sulfur.
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#17 Post by Greg K » October 15th, 2019, 5:02 am

Laurent Gibet wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 2:40 am
Greg K wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:50 pm
Had another bottle of this recently, liked it better. I think it's significantly better than Balthazar's Sans Soufre, though I also don't think it's as good as Gilles' Cornas bottling either.
7 may 2019 :
Franck Balthazar Sélections Cornas Chaillot 2016 : 17/20
An excellent wine. I suppose it is the cuvée with sulfur.
I’m pretty sure the Casimir also uses sulfur. The sans soufre is a young vines experiment for him, as I understand it.
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