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#51 Post by **Brady Daniels** » October 4th, 2019, 6:18 pm

My love for zin dates back to 90’s Ravenswood zins. This is quite exciting. I hope Joel limits guaranteed purchase amounts to allow more people to participate. Wishlisting seems prudent.

#52 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 4th, 2019, 6:18 pm

I doubt it will be allocations at all.

J Carroll · #53 Post by **J Carroll** » October 4th, 2019, 8:02 pm

Joel Peterson wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2019, 9:39 pm

J Carroll wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2019, 7:12 pm
It would be nice to get a heads up post here the day before this goes live, aka Morgan style, so we can all put together some sort of game plan. It just won’t be fun frantically adding items to the cart just hoping it won’t sell out before paying. I might not be able to sleep till the 15th.
Hi Carroll, Joel here, We will be sending out a list of the wines a couple of days before the release that should help you develop a game plan.

Thanks for the quick reply Joel. We’re all looking forward to this one.

Joel Peterson · #54 Post by **Joel Peterson** » October 4th, 2019, 9:10 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 4th, 2019, 6:18 pm
I doubt it will be allocations at all.

There will be a bottle purchase limit on each wine David. That limit will be between 2 and 6 bottles depending on the availability of a particular wine.

#55 Post by **Lonnie F.** » October 5th, 2019, 5:36 am

Thanks everyone

#56 Post by **Robert.A.Jr.** » October 5th, 2019, 5:39 am

Joel, thanks for doing this. Many of us grew up on your wines and are now immersed in your son’s wines. I guess I had not been reading the right threads, as I did not know this - i.e., “Once and Future” - was your new winery. Kudos.

#57 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 5th, 2019, 6:01 am

Joel Peterson wrote: ↑
October 4th, 2019, 9:10 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 4th, 2019, 6:18 pm
I doubt it will be allocations at all.
There will be a bottle purchase limit on each wine David. That limit will be between 2 and 6 bottles depending on the availability of a particular wine.

Excellent. I will take it all!

#58 Post by **Mark Fister** » October 5th, 2019, 7:55 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 5:39 am
Joel, thanks for doing this. Many of us grew up on your wines and are now immersed in your son’s wines. I guess I had not been reading the right threads, as I did not know this was your winery. Kudos.

Ditto. I remember visiting in the late 80's and always had Ravenswood as one of the places to stop at. The Pickberry was one of my favorites along with the zins. Very happy to see Joel and Morgan producing great wine and preserving history!

Joel Peterson · #59 Post by **Joel Peterson** » October 5th, 2019, 6:43 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 5:39 am
Joel, thanks for doing this. Many of us grew up on your wines and are now immersed in your son’s wines. I guess I had not been reading the right threads, as I did not know this - i.e., “Once and Future” - was your new winery. Kudos.

I love sharing Robert. I couldn't possibly bring them all myself. Even with the help of my son and his friends. I hope you will try some of my new wines.

Joel Peterson · #60 Post by **Joel Peterson** » October 5th, 2019, 6:44 pm

Joel Peterson wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 6:43 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 5th, 2019, 5:39 am
Joel, thanks for doing this. Many of us grew up on your wines and are now immersed in your son’s wines. I guess I had not been reading the right threads, as I did not know this - i.e., “Once and Future” - was your new winery. Kudos.
I love sharing Robert. I couldn't possibly drink them all myself. Even with the help of my son and his friends. I hope you will try some of my new wines.

#61 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 5th, 2019, 6:59 pm

I hope there are a few 1997s in there. I still fondly recall Joel grabbing barrel samples for me to taste when I visited in 1998.

#62 Post by **David Glasser** » October 6th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Wow, I cut my teeth on those Ravenswood Zins but drank them all within 5-10 years of the vintage. What a treat to have a chance to be able to go back and revisit them in maturity! Thanks to Joel once again, and to Wine Berserkers for making me aware of the opportunity.

BenW · #63 Post by **BenW** » October 10th, 2019, 11:13 am

List is out:
Ravenswood 1994 Icon
Ravenswood 1991 Pickberry Vineyard
Ravenswood 1994 Pickberry Vineyard
Ravenswood 1995 Rancho Salina Vineyard
Ravenswood 1996 Sonoma County Cabernet Franc
Ravenswood 1988 Gregory Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
Ravenswood 1991 Gregory Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
Ravenswood 1992 Gregory Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
Ravenswood 1995 Gregory Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
Ravenswood 1989 Sonoma County Cabernet Sauvignon
Ravenswood 1995 Donnell Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1992 Estate Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1997 Estate Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1998 Estate Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1998 Gregory Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1991 Sangiacomo Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1990 Sonoma County Merlot
Ravenswood 1993 Sonoma County Merlot
Ravenswood 1989 Summers Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1994 Sonoma County Petite Sirah
Ravenswood 1992 Belloni Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Belloni Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1997 Big River Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1999 Big River Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1987 Cooke Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1991 Cooke Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Cooke Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1996 Cooke Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1993 Los Chamizal Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Los Chamizal Vineyard Merlot
Ravenswood 1993 Monte Rossa Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Monte Rosso Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Old Hill Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1996 Old Hill Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1987 Sonoma County Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1992 Sonoma County Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1998 Teldeschi Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1993 Dickerson Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1994 Sangiacomo Merlot
Ravenswood 1988 Dickerson Vineyard Zinfandel
Ravenswood 1993 Cooke Vineyard Zinfandel

#64 Post by **Glenn L e v i n e** » October 10th, 2019, 11:14 am

It moved a little when I saw this list.

#65 Post by **Nate Simon** » October 10th, 2019, 11:15 am

A case of each please.

#66 Post by **AlexS** » October 10th, 2019, 11:16 am

Well, there goes the 2020 budget.

#67 Post by **Jeff_M.** » October 10th, 2019, 12:04 pm

Didn't get the email but hopefully I get the opportunity to buy some of these.

#68 Post by **Jay $$ Winton** » October 10th, 2019, 12:26 pm

So what would your mixed case be?

YLee · #69 Post by **YLee** » October 10th, 2019, 12:27 pm

I wonder the price on these.

#70 Post by **larry schaffer** » October 10th, 2019, 12:30 pm

Perhaps Joel can post a link so that those that may want to take advantage of these can?

#71 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 10th, 2019, 12:32 pm

Not at all sure of this, but I think it's really an offer for those on the Once & Future list.

#72 Post by **Brady Daniels** » October 10th, 2019, 12:34 pm

That’s quite a list. I suspect many of us will be friendly competitors on the 15th.

#73 Post by **MBerto** » October 10th, 2019, 12:34 pm

Got to try the 94 RW Monte Rosso Zin at a Bedrock tasting a few years back. Extremely interesting wine. By far the oldest zin I've ever had. Still very clearly a zin, decent amount of fruit left, but with a lot of aged cab like features starting to show, leather, tobacco, spice. Count me in.

#74 Post by **Nate Simon** » October 10th, 2019, 12:36 pm

Love the Gregory Cabernet. Joel was kind enough to sell me some a couple of years back. Holding up pretty well.

#75 Post by **Rich Brown** » October 10th, 2019, 1:04 pm

MBerto wrote: ↑
October 10th, 2019, 12:34 pm
Got to try the 94 RW Monte Rosso Zin at a Bedrock tasting a few years back. Extremely interesting wine. By far the oldest zin I've ever had. Still very clearly a zin, decent amount of fruit left, but with a lot of aged cab like features starting to show, leather, tobacco, spice. Count me in.

94 MR Zin is an incredible wine and drinking so well/youthful right now. Had it twice last year - note below as part of a blind tasting.

Brief notes - part of larger blind tasting. The ringer in a blind flight with 2012 Bedrock and Carlisle Monte Rosso. This wine was drinking really well with juicy raspberry, and slight earth notes adding interest on the finish. Medium minus bodied, mouth-watering acidity, and a nice hint of secondary characteristics....but not the point where it seemed out of place next to the younger MR zins. Kind of a mix between a lighter zin and an older cab. Great wine that belies it age. One member called it double blind that the wines tasted like they were from the same vineyard or maybe same winemaker. Pretty damn impressive. Really fun to taste all these MR wines side-by-side.

#76 Post by **AlexS** » October 10th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Well, there goes the 2021 budget too.

#77 Post by **Chr!s G|@rn3r** » October 10th, 2019, 4:45 pm

I have no experience purchasing wines 20+ years old, but I’m interested in participating. Does anyone have an educated guess on what the prices will be?

#78 Post by **Brady Daniels** » October 10th, 2019, 8:34 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: ↑
October 10th, 2019, 4:45 pm
I have no experience purchasing wines 20+ years old, but I’m interested in participating. Does anyone have an educated guess on what the prices will be?

Nope. Waiting with baited breath.

#79 Post by **Robert M yers** » October 10th, 2019, 8:59 pm

The story made it sound like he rescued them off the scrap pile, so I’m hoping if that’s the case prices will be very fair?

#80 Post by **Ian Alper** » October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am

Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)

#81 Post by **MBerto** » October 11th, 2019, 7:34 am

Rich Brown wrote: ↑
October 10th, 2019, 1:04 pm

MBerto wrote: ↑
October 10th, 2019, 12:34 pm
Got to try the 94 RW Monte Rosso Zin at a Bedrock tasting a few years back. Extremely interesting wine. By far the oldest zin I've ever had. Still very clearly a zin, decent amount of fruit left, but with a lot of aged cab like features starting to show, leather, tobacco, spice. Count me in.
94 MR Zin is an incredible wine and drinking so well/youthful right now. Had it twice last year - note below as part of a blind tasting.

Brief notes - part of larger blind tasting. The ringer in a blind flight with 2012 Bedrock and Carlisle Monte Rosso. This wine was drinking really well with juicy raspberry, and slight earth notes adding interest on the finish. Medium minus bodied, mouth-watering acidity, and a nice hint of secondary characteristics....but not the point where it seemed out of place next to the younger MR zins. Kind of a mix between a lighter zin and an older cab. Great wine that belies it age. One member called it double blind that the wines tasted like they were from the same vineyard or maybe same winemaker. Pretty damn impressive. Really fun to taste all these MR wines side-by-side.

spot on with my notes.

YLee · #82 Post by **YLee** » October 11th, 2019, 7:44 am

Ian Alper wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am
Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)

I guess it really depends on which bottle. Also as mentioned above Joel made it seem like the bottles were saved from being thrown away so I'm going to say $20 a bottle

#83 Post by **John Preston** » October 11th, 2019, 8:10 am

YLee wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:44 am

Ian Alper wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am
Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)
I guess it really depends on which bottle. Also as mentioned above Joel made it seem like the bottles were saved from being thrown away so I'm going to say $20 a bottle

Yes, it will depend on which bottle. Some will be under $50, and some will be over $50. That could be a reasonable "average" amount...or perhaps a bit less...

Cheers,
JP

BenW · #84 Post by **BenW** » October 11th, 2019, 8:11 am

YLee wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:44 am

Ian Alper wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am
Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)
I guess it really depends on which bottle. Also as mentioned above Joel made it seem like the bottles were saved from being thrown away so I'm going to say $20 a bottle

If it’s $20 I’ll be backing up the truck... $50 I’ll pick and choose my spots... much more than that and I’ll still be getting some. It’s a rare opportunity.

YLee · #85 Post by **YLee** » October 11th, 2019, 8:20 am

Let's hope to backing up the truck. Selling all of the inventory is best for Joel and for us. Win-Win.

#86 Post by **larry schaffer** » October 11th, 2019, 8:27 am

Guess away, folks . . .

And my impression with older zins in general is that they lose their 'zin exuberance' and remind me more of aged clarets. Anyone else experience this?

Cheers.

YLee · #87 Post by **YLee** » October 11th, 2019, 8:31 am

larry schaffer wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:27 am
Guess away, folks . . .

And my impression with older zins in general is that they lose their 'zin exuberance' and remind me more of aged clarets. Anyone else experience this?

Cheers.

Yes, almost like part zin part claret then becomes more of aged claret.

My plan is to buy more of the mid '90s and on.

#88 Post by **Robert.A.Jr.** » October 11th, 2019, 8:42 am

With everyone wanting to load up, how much supply is there? Are we talking like many multiple cases of all cuvees or a smattering if each?

#89 Post by **S teve R edenbaugh** » October 11th, 2019, 8:43 am

Totally agree, Larry. Personally, I like both both styles, but I find myself preferring the thinner, claret aged wines to the younger, more exuberant, fruit-driven zins.

#90 Post by **Brady Daniels** » October 11th, 2019, 9:10 am

larry schaffer wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:27 am
And my impression with older zins in general is that they lose their 'zin exuberance' and remind me more of aged clarets. Anyone else experience this?

The few really old zins I had reminded more of aged Nebbiolo than Cabernet/merlot. But I guess all red wines converge with time.

#91 Post by **PaulMills** » October 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:42 am
With everyone wanting to load up, how much supply is there? Are we talking like many multiple cases of all cuvees or a smattering if each?

I think it was 1800 cases total, hopefully an fairly even distribution between the wines.

My concern is the people who want to load up. Will there be a limit to how much someone buy to spread the love.

#92 Post by **Michael Martin** » October 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

larry schaffer wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:27 am
Guess away, folks . . .

And my impression with older zins in general is that they lose their 'zin exuberance' and remind me more of aged clarets. Anyone else experience this?

Cheers.

Your post made me look at some of my tasting notes from old Zins. I noted licorice, brown sugar, pomegranate.

You’re right, if tasted blind, Zin would not be my first guess.

#93 Post by **Robert M yers** » October 11th, 2019, 9:32 am

PaulMills wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:42 am
With everyone wanting to load up, how much supply is there? Are we talking like many multiple cases of all cuvees or a smattering if each?

I think it was 1800 cases total, hopefully an fairly even distribution between the wines.

My concern is the people who want to load up. Will there be a limit to how much someone buy to spread the love.

Joel said up thread there will be bottle limits.

#94 Post by **AlexS** » October 11th, 2019, 9:49 am

OP should revise the thread title to say "from Once & Future" or something similar, would be less confusing for those not on the list.

#95 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 11th, 2019, 11:18 am

Robert M yers wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 9:32 am

PaulMills wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 8:42 am
With everyone wanting to load up, how much supply is there? Are we talking like many multiple cases of all cuvees or a smattering if each?

I think it was 1800 cases total, hopefully an fairly even distribution between the wines.

My concern is the people who want to load up. Will there be a limit to how much someone buy to spread the love.
Joel said up thread there will be bottle limits.

Actually he said 2-6, depending on the wine.

David Baum · #96 Post by **David Baum** » October 11th, 2019, 11:30 am

My guess is you all are being optimistic on pricing but hope I'm wrong

#97 Post by **Robert M yers** » October 11th, 2019, 11:52 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 11:18 am

Robert M yers wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 9:32 am

PaulMills wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

I think it was 1800 cases total, hopefully an fairly even distribution between the wines.

My concern is the people who want to load up. Will there be a limit to how much someone buy to spread the love.
Joel said up thread there will be bottle limits.
Actually he said 2-6, depending on the wine.

Not sure what you’re correcting here? Yes, a 2 to 6 bottle limit as he said up thread.

#98 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » October 11th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Just specifying. Sorry.

#99 Post by **Jason T** » October 11th, 2019, 1:06 pm

YLee wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:44 am

Ian Alper wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am
Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)
I guess it really depends on which bottle. Also as mentioned above Joel made it seem like the bottles were saved from being thrown away so I'm going to say $20 a bottle

I’ve got the over. Well over.

YLee · #100 Post by **YLee** » October 11th, 2019, 1:12 pm

Jason T wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 1:06 pm

YLee wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:44 am

Ian Alper wrote: ↑
October 11th, 2019, 7:25 am
Ok, I am guessing $50 a bottle - just a guess. How many think over, how many under? (just for fun)
I guess it really depends on which bottle. Also as mentioned above Joel made it seem like the bottles were saved from being thrown away so I'm going to say $20 a bottle
I’ve got the over. Well over.

Give me 1000:1 odds I will take it. Ha!