How to judge a baby Bordeaux?

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How to judge a baby Bordeaux?

#1 Post by robert creth » August 28th, 2019, 12:02 pm

For some reason 2+ years ago I bought a 6 pack futures order of a wine I know nothing about, but one that has a good reputation. I have just picked them up and while I am sure this wine will not reach its best before I drink them all, I want to crack one open before putting the rest to cold sleep. The wine is Chateau Malescot St.Exupery 2016. My question is how best to approach this bottle. My plan is to open and decant early in the morning and drink with a roast pork dinner.
Anyone with history with this chateaux? Will this be undrinkable at this age or merely too young. At 62, this was probably not a smart buy but I was intrigued.
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#2 Post by Jeff Leve » August 28th, 2019, 12:12 pm

robert creth wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 12:02 pm
My plan is to open and decant early in the morning and drink with a roast pork dinner.
Anyone with history with this chateaux? Will this be undrinkable at this age or merely too young.
Do not decant this early in the morning. You will kill the wine with that much air! Give it 2-3-4 hours at the most. Few wines are undrinkable young. It will just be young. Thought it is very nice wine. You can read notes and more on Malescot, should you wish... https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/bo ... t-exupery/

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#3 Post by P Intag » August 28th, 2019, 12:35 pm

It's a Rolland-influenced wine - it should drink well young.
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#4 Post by robert creth » August 28th, 2019, 1:21 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 12:12 pm
robert creth wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 12:02 pm
My plan is to open and decant early in the morning and drink with a roast pork dinner.
Anyone with history with this chateaux? Will this be undrinkable at this age or merely too young.
Do not decant this early in the morning. You will kill the wine with that much air! Give it 2-3-4 hours at the most. Few wines are undrinkable young. It will just be young. Thought it is very nice wine. You can read notes and more on Malescot, should you wish... https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/bo ... t-exupery/
Thanx for the info.

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#5 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 28th, 2019, 2:02 pm

yeah, likely friendly (or more friendly than many bdx) right now. Your get a bunch of tannin, but lots of everything else too.
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#6 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 28th, 2019, 2:20 pm

Robert -

Don’t get all nerdy on it. Just pop it and follow it over an evening. This is a very modern Bordeaux, so IMHO built to show well young for those that like this style of wine.

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#7 Post by Nathan Smyth » August 28th, 2019, 2:24 pm

In my very limited tasting experience, the Margaux appellation knocked the ball out of the park in 2016, especially for the "Drink Now" style of wine.

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#8 Post by DanielP » August 28th, 2019, 3:58 pm

I have no idea. Popped a 2016 sociando mallet half bottle and it was wide open. Lots of fruit, high alcohol (listed at 14, but felt higher), new oak well integrated. Really tasty, but sort of surprising at how it showed. Neal Martin's note seemed very accurate, in its reference to more opulence and a more intense/rich nose.

Yet at ugcb in January most of the wine felt a little closed (might be a function of tannins caked on my tongue). So I'm not really sure what advice to give other than that your wine might be ready to go from the beginning, even though it's young
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#9 Post by Jim Stewart » August 28th, 2019, 4:16 pm

Sounds like a nice wine. Good advice above. My advice: enjoy!
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#10 Post by Jürgen Steinke » August 29th, 2019, 2:48 am

There is a formula that works pretty well for all great red wines. Drink them young or old and let them sleep in between. Young means one or two years after release. Old means 15 years old plus. But that's only true for Grands Crus from good vintages. 2016 is a top vintage for Bordeaux.

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#11 Post by CJ Beazley » August 29th, 2019, 4:24 am

DanielP wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 3:58 pm
I have no idea. Popped a 2016 sociando mallet half bottle and it was wide open. Lots of fruit, high alcohol (listed at 14, but felt higher), new oak well integrated. Really tasty, but sort of surprising at how it showed. Neal Martin's note seemed very accurate, in its reference to more opulence and a more intense/rich nose.

Yet at ugcb in January most of the wine felt a little closed (might be a function of tannins caked on my tongue). So I'm not really sure what advice to give other than that your wine might be ready to go from the beginning, even though it's young
Oh man! That sounds right up Bobby’s (new) alley!
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#12 Post by robert creth » September 1st, 2019, 2:12 pm

Opened with a Flannery hanger steak and wow, this is really good stuff. A deep purple that too dense to see through. The nose is forest floor, tobacco and blood? Ridiculously long finish. This is all savory and vegetal and dark cherry comes through after a bite of steak. Glass and teeth staining like a Petite Syrah. I am very happy with this buy and will look to try different vintages. My WOTY so far. Yum!

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#13 Post by robert creth » September 1st, 2019, 2:13 pm

Opened with a Flannery hanger steak and wow, this is really good stuff. A deep purple that too dense to see through. The nose is forest floor, tobacco and blood? Ridiculously long finish. This is all savory and vegetal and dark cherry comes through after a bite of steak. Glass and teeth staining like a Petite Syrah. I am very happy with this buy and will look to try different vintages. My WOTY so far. Yum!

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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 1st, 2019, 2:14 pm

CJ Beazley wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 4:24 am
DanielP wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 3:58 pm
I have no idea. Popped a 2016 sociando mallet half bottle and it was wide open. Lots of fruit, high alcohol (listed at 14, but felt higher), new oak well integrated. Really tasty, but sort of surprising at how it showed. Neal Martin's note seemed very accurate, in its reference to more opulence and a more intense/rich nose.

Yet at ugcb in January most of the wine felt a little closed (might be a function of tannins caked on my tongue). So I'm not really sure what advice to give other than that your wine might be ready to go from the beginning, even though it's young
Oh man! That sounds right up Bobby’s (new) alley!
LOL, that’s funny!

I bought tons of 2014, so classic, so good. The value of the vintage, IMHO, and a quality wine irrespective of price considerations.

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#15 Post by Neal.Mollen » September 1st, 2019, 2:23 pm

robert creth wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 2:13 pm
Opened with a Flannery hanger steak and wow, this is really good stuff. A deep purple that too dense to see through. The nose is forest floor, tobacco and blood? Ridiculously long finish. This is all savory and vegetal and dark cherry comes through after a bite of steak. Glass and teeth staining like a Petite Syrah. I am very happy with this buy and will look to try different vintages. My WOTY so far. Yum!
Glad you are digging it, Robert!
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#16 Post by Jim Stewart » September 1st, 2019, 2:31 pm

robert creth wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 2:13 pm
Opened with a Flannery hanger steak and wow, this is really good stuff. A deep purple that too dense to see through. The nose is forest floor, tobacco and blood? Ridiculously long finish. This is all savory and vegetal and dark cherry comes through after a bite of steak. Glass and teeth staining like a Petite Syrah. I am very happy with this buy and will look to try different vintages. My WOTY so far. Yum!
Well, that turned out pretty well. Yum indeed! Nice!
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#17 Post by robert creth » September 1st, 2019, 3:01 pm

Sorry bout the double post but could not figure out how to delete one. Yeah it turned well, maybe too well. Stuck 4 bottles into the “forget about it” part of the cellar and kept one out for a friend coming in a few months. Best blind buy I have ever made!

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#18 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 1st, 2019, 3:08 pm

I pick up meat and grilled meats in May Bordeaux, so the blood reference makes sense to me.

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#19 Post by Howard Cooper » September 1st, 2019, 6:34 pm

robert creth wrote:
August 28th, 2019, 12:02 pm
At 62, this was probably not a smart buy but I was intrigued.
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#20 Post by Alan Rath » September 1st, 2019, 6:53 pm

Robert, glad you enjoyed it! Note that this wine is always 100% new oak, generally too much for my own tastes, but in 16 the fruit is probably strong enough to withstand it.
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