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#451 Post by Charlie Carnes » February 27th, 2017, 6:22 pm

I am sorry I never participated in this thread until now. I must say, that ever since Berserkerday 2016, I have been drinking shitloads of shitty Oregon Piont Noir. Tonight I even drank a shitty sparkler from Random Wine Company.
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#452 Post by R Nanda » January 21st, 2018, 2:00 pm

Bumping up this shitty thread for another shitty '07:
  • 2007 Cristom Pinot Noir Eileen Vineyard - USA, Oregon, Willamette Valley, Eola - Amity Hills (1/20/2018)
    Pop n' pour and drank over an hour with dinner. Gorgeous perfumed aromatics of lighter red cherry and stems. The palate is lighter styled given vintage but packed with herbal, floral, stem and spice accents. Dances across the palate like a ballerina with a soft, deft touch throughout. Fantastic. (93 pts.)
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#453 Post by Jason Hagen » January 23rd, 2018, 11:17 am

Rich Nanda wrote:Bumping up this shitty thread for another shitty '07:
  • 2007 Cristom Pinot Noir Eileen Vineyard - USA, Oregon, Willamette Valley, Eola - Amity Hills (1/20/2018)
    Pop n' pour and drank over an hour with dinner. Gorgeous perfumed aromatics of lighter red cherry and stems. The palate is lighter styled given vintage but packed with herbal, floral, stem and spice accents. Dances across the palate like a ballerina with a soft, deft touch throughout. Fantastic. (93 pts.)
Nice. I continue to love this vintage.

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#454 Post by Loren Sonkin » January 23rd, 2018, 11:35 am

Had a 2007 Sineann TFL from 375 the other day. Clean, good fruit, nothing green, mostly cherries, some development. The kind of shitty characteristics that define the vintage I guess.
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#455 Post by Brandon R » March 26th, 2018, 9:39 am

I just did a blind tasting of 7 domestic pinot noirs, and the clear consensus winner: 2007 Belle Pente Belle Pente Vineyard Pinot Noir. It was seriously delicious.
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#456 Post by dsGriswold » March 26th, 2018, 10:45 am

I have a few '07 Antica Terra left. It's been 5 years since the last and time to open another. [cheers.gif]
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#457 Post by Jay S. Miller » March 28th, 2018, 11:53 am

I reviewed this vintage for The Wine Advocate. My conclusion in a nutshell: those who picked prior to the rain made unripe, green wines. Those who waited out the rain frequently made first class wines that are still drinking very well. The negative press from most of my peers meant lower prices.
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#458 Post by Steven Miller » March 28th, 2018, 4:30 pm

Jay S. Miller wrote:I reviewed this vintage for The Wine Advocate. My conclusion in a nutshell: those who picked prior to the rain made unripe, green wines. Those who waited out the rain frequently made first class wines that are still drinking very well. The negative press from most of my peers meant lower prices.
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#459 Post by dsGriswold » March 29th, 2018, 12:02 am

Other than the few Antica Terra left, I have some of Todd's '07 Deux Vert syrah. Back in those days, I was more a syrah drinker exploring WA wines and have since transitioned into WV syrahs along with OR PN starting with '10.
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#460 Post by Brandon R » March 29th, 2018, 9:24 am

Jay S. Miller wrote:I reviewed this vintage for The Wine Advocate. My conclusion in a nutshell: those who picked prior to the rain made unripe, green wines. Those who waited out the rain frequently made first class wines that are still drinking very well. The negative press from most of my peers meant lower prices.
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#461 Post by Todd Hamina » March 29th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent opportunity for learning.
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#462 Post by P. Willenberg » March 29th, 2018, 12:59 pm

Todd Hamina wrote:Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent oportunity for learning.
The same could be said for 2013.
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#463 Post by Richard T r i m p i » March 29th, 2018, 1:21 pm

Todd Hamina wrote:Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent oportunity for learning.
The more experienced producers typically did better...not too shocking. To your point about easier vintages, one of my favorite Bob Wood lines: "...my dog could have made good wine in '08".

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#464 Post by dsGriswold » March 29th, 2018, 4:39 pm

My '13s are coming along nicely. [cheers.gif]
The '11s have hit their stride. [thumbs-up.gif]
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#465 Post by Lee Short » April 2nd, 2018, 7:58 pm

Had the 2007 Scott Paul La Paulee with dinner Saturday. Was a fine bottle. Drinking well with red fruits, and secondary notes as the bass line. Maybe yet some upside, but I'm guessing not.

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#466 Post by P. Willenberg » April 3rd, 2018, 6:20 am

Lee Short wrote:Had the 2007 Scott Paul La Paulee with dinner Saturday. Was a fine bottle. Drinking well with red fruits, and secondary notes as the bass line. Maybe yet some upside, but I'm guessing not.
I've still got a few of these, so thank you for the report!
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#467 Post by Ryan McBrayer » April 3rd, 2018, 8:23 pm

Slightly off the "pinot noir" aspect of this topic, but tonight we suffered through the following shitty 2007, which was a gift from a friend, paired with salmon cakes:

2007 Matello Chardonnay - USA, Oregon, Willamette Valley
Pale straw with slight amber around the rim. Muted aromas and only slight grapefruit on the palate for 30 minutes. I might have been fooled that this was mostly gone. But I was advised to be patient with it, and the wine started singing after that. Aromas of butterscotch and slight oak. Meyer lemon and faint pear on the palate, with a long finish supported by terrific acidity. Makes me happy I started laying down Oregon chardonnay. This was simply fantastic at the 11-year point. (93 pts)

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#468 Post by Todd Hamina » April 3rd, 2018, 9:32 pm

That Marcus, he's sneaky.
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#469 Post by Brandon J. » April 3rd, 2018, 9:54 pm

I wonder how much oak influence Marcus was using back then. I thought the WV was mainly neutral, but not sure what '07 was regimented with.
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#470 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » April 3rd, 2018, 10:36 pm

Todd Hamina wrote:Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent opportunity for learning.
Be honest Todd...which half of your wines were not well made? ;)

One of the things I learned was that the wines Dr. Jay gave(appropriately) 87 and 89 are drinking way beyond my own expectations...

What I really learned was to trust the vineyards, and that patience is a virtue.
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#471 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » April 3rd, 2018, 10:41 pm

Richard T r i m p i wrote:
Todd Hamina wrote:Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent oportunity for learning.
The more experienced producers typically did better...not too shocking. To your point about easier vintages, one of my favorite Bob Wood lines: "...my dog could have made good wine in '08".

I miss him.

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That’s a great line and respect to Bob’s intent...

...but his dog should have given pointers on picking earlier and restraint to a bunch of us in 08 then. I like the shitty 07s myself :)
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#472 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » April 3rd, 2018, 11:01 pm

Brandon J. wrote:I wonder how much oak influence Marcus was using back then. I thought the WV was mainly neutral, but not sure what '07 was regimented with.
Brandon, the 2007 Chardonnay was some Four Winds fruit that I picked up at the last second from Jim and Patty. It came in late at 19 Brix and if I had sorted the botrytis out, there would have been 6 clusters left in the press...i did a light fining of the juice just to clean it up a little bit. I have always had a lot of faith in the quality of Four Winds fruit, and am really happy for Tyson(and love the wines he’s making from the vineyard). Under the bot was sone reallysolid raw material and I kept it simple in the cellar.

Oak was 6 very neutral barriques. 19 months elevage, and Ryan’s note is exactly what I have seen in this wine. I don’t really like it at first, and it feels a bit old and weird(although in a waxy Chenin-like way). Then it seems to really find a new life, and get more vibrant all while still being a very developed wine.

As Todd said, 07 was a great vintage to be a student of the grape. I really learned an immense amount about my craft from the beating that was the 07 vintage.

Also-Belle Pente Estate 07 is one of the great wines of 07. Definitely a top wine for me, and hopefully one we’ll see at the Berserker tasting this year.
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#473 Post by Richard T r i m p i » April 4th, 2018, 5:32 am

Marcus Goodfellow wrote:...but his dog should have given pointers on picking earlier and restraint to a bunch of us in 08 then. I like the shitty 07s myself :)
Totally agree and also about Brian O'Donnell's 07s.

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#474 Post by Jason Hagen » April 4th, 2018, 11:25 am

Todd Hamina wrote:Let's be honest, half the 07's were not well made. Many producers started after the 97 vintage and 07 was the first tough year they ever saw. It was an excellent opportunity for learning.

Thankfully I only bought well made 07s neener A great vintage for my tastes.

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#475 Post by Todd Hamina » April 4th, 2018, 5:34 pm

I made vin de garde in 07 and I don't think as a new brand I would give that advice to anyone, but I would not have changed anything as those wines are still very pretty. Even though it took the Deux Vert PN 5 years to open up.

There's 20 cases of that left and I am going to do a rerelease on it soon. Shameless, I know.
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#476 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » April 5th, 2018, 8:35 am

I would completely agree with you Todd.

Your 07s were made in a very pure way, completely devoted to quality and expression, but not for short term consumption. That’s an admirable thing but hard from the business side of things.
As the years add up though I am happier and happier to have always kept to a style that requires some cellaring...but produces wines that generally continue to improve for years.

Sales do matter...but if you have the parts for a Ferrari and you build a Honda...you messed up.
(Not that having the parts for a Ferrari always translates to ending up with a beautiful car at the end of production...)
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#477 Post by dsGriswold » April 5th, 2018, 10:17 am

As time marches on, I find Todd's wines more to my liking. Fortunately, I have few of the '07 Deux Vert Syrah for research. I will endeavor to stop by and get some '07 PN. Ten years seams to be a good time, just need to buy enough to last that long and drink the young 'uns. '10s are gone and '14s are going fast. [cheers.gif]
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#478 Post by Brandon R » May 16th, 2018, 3:54 pm

Just saw an offer from Full Pull Wines for a 2007 Chehalem Reserve Pinot Noir for $39.99. Never had it, but it's likely in a good drinking window.
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#479 Post by James Lyon » May 17th, 2018, 8:35 am

We enjoyed a bottle of the 2007 Chehalem Ridgecrest Vineyard Pinot Noir with dinner on Saturday night. The 2007 Chehalem Reserve Pinot Noir should be drinking nicely as well. Unless I'm mistaken, Ridgecrest is the source for the Reserve wine.

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#480 Post by John Glas » May 18th, 2018, 8:47 pm

I have to say Minneapolis crew called the great 07 vintage from St. Innocent White Rose and Justice.

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#481 Post by Ian H » August 10th, 2019, 2:24 pm

I saw a 2007 Cristom Jessie Vineyard on a list at a restaurant last week and thought of this thread and pulled the trigger on it. It was really good. Interesting and complex, and still delicious.
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#482 Post by Scott Brunson » August 10th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Ian H wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 2:24 pm
I saw a 2007 Cristom Jessie Vineyard on a list at a restaurant last week and thought of this thread and pulled the trigger on it. It was really good. Interesting and complex, and still delicious.
I hate that I drank all mine already.
That was a really sh!tty wine. [cheers.gif]
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