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#1 Post by Adam Frisch » July 19th, 2019, 10:34 am

I know this isn't very constructive, but... Got in to K&L Wines and this Moonbuzz Pinot Noir 2015 from Monterey was a lower priced recommend, promptly displayed up front. My wife always complains I only have fancy wines she feels bad about opening and I should have some cheap, everyday ones. This seemed like the ticket.

Literally undrinkable Pinot. Even she who never rejects a wine, spat it out. Wasn't flawed, just bad. Chemical, over-oaked, hot, burning, thin.

Then I Google this, and get even more confused. 92pts?

https://www.wine.com/product/moobuzz-mo ... 015/489979

What's wrong with my palate? [cry.gif]
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#2 Post by John Morris » July 19th, 2019, 10:40 am

I wouldn't worry too much about disagreeing with Wilfred Wong's sales pitch.

But who are the reviewers TP and D?
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#3 Post by Gareth Welch » July 19th, 2019, 11:06 am

Was the 92pts from Mr So?

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#4 Post by Hank Victor » July 19th, 2019, 11:09 am

John Morris wrote:
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I wouldn't worry too much about disagreeing with Wilfred Wong's sales pitch.

But who are the reviewers TP and D?
D is Decanter which I normally trust for Bordeaux.

TP is "Tasting Panel" whatever the hell that is.

WW I avoid when shopping on wine.com


Sub $15 is very hard to find quality in California imo. For a little bit more I would recommend Talbott Kali-Hart Pinot Noir. Very fruit forward and easy drinking pinot which is very pleasant. Talbott is under Gallo's luxury portfolio. Good juice
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#5 Post by K John Joseph » July 19th, 2019, 11:21 am

Llano Sweet Red. Used to keep a bottle at my place. It's what I opened when I didn't want to open any more bottles of my wine and wanted people to leave my house. It's gross.

I have had Cisco Red before, though, but I assumed we were discussing wine made from grapes.
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#6 Post by Demian Saenz » July 19th, 2019, 11:22 am

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#7 Post by John Morris » July 19th, 2019, 11:24 am

Gareth Welch wrote:
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Was the 92pts from Mr So?
That wouldn't be his style.
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#8 Post by Jim Stewart » July 19th, 2019, 11:27 am

Adam, you should read the reviews quoted on a sales site with caution. There is probably nothing "wrong" with your palate.

For another relatively inexpensive Pinot Noir to try, give Patricia Green Pinot Noir Reserve a test drive. If you enjoy it, your palate is A-OK, IMHO. [cheers.gif]
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#9 Post by Markus S » July 19th, 2019, 11:50 am

Could have opened a $40 Metras Fleurie that could be a sub for sewerage...
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#10 Post by Victor Hong » July 19th, 2019, 12:09 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 10:34 am
I know this isn't very constructive, but... Got in to K&L Wines and this Moonbuzz Pinot Noir 2015 from Monterey was a lower priced recommend, promptly displayed up front. My wife always complains I only have fancy wines she feels bad about opening and I should have some cheap, everyday ones. This seemed like the ticket.

Literally undrinkable Pinot. Even she who never rejects a wine, spat it out. Wasn't flawed, just bad. Chemical, over-oaked, hot, burning, thin.

Then I Google this, and get even more confused. 92pts?

https://www.wine.com/product/moobuzz-mo ... 015/489979

What's wrong with my pallet? [cry.gif]
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#11 Post by Doug Schulman » July 19th, 2019, 12:15 pm

The worst wines I've had, not counting flaws in individual bottles like cork taint, have been "natural" wines, like Dettori, Ooka, etc. The list could go on for quite a while, but I'll leave it there. Carlo Rossi is higher quality. I'd rather have mass produced, generic tasting Pinot Noir any day.

Pinotage is probably second to a lot of those. Awful stuff.
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#12 Post by Mike Reff » July 19th, 2019, 12:16 pm

NYS had its share of duds years ago. I believe Bully Hill and Brotherhood were stand outs. Not sure what they taste like now?

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#13 Post by Doug Schulman » July 19th, 2019, 12:17 pm

Good point. I've had some pretty terrible stuff made from hybrid grapes. I still stand by my previous post for absolute worst, though.
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#14 Post by David K o l i n » July 19th, 2019, 1:38 pm

Great Wall Chinese red of some sort tasted in 1992

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#15 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 19th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Can't recall at the moment but I am sure that whatever it was, it was either cat pee sauvignon blanc or gamay.
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#16 Post by Jeff P » July 19th, 2019, 2:33 pm

K John Joseph wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 11:21 am
Llano Sweet Red. Used to keep a bottle at my place. It's what I opened when I didn't want to open any more bottles of my wine and wanted people to leave my house. It's gross.

I have had Cisco Red before, though, but I assumed we were discussing wine made from grapes.
Agreed. Some of those wines are not worth even trying
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#17 Post by C. Keller » July 19th, 2019, 2:39 pm

nothing sticks out to me as being the worst but I will say that there’s way more bad wine than good wine
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#18 Post by Howard Cooper » July 19th, 2019, 2:53 pm

Gareth Welch wrote:
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Was the 92pts from Mr So?
That would be a horrible rating. He normally rates everything 93.
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#19 Post by GregT » July 19th, 2019, 3:07 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 12:09 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 10:34 am
I know this isn't very constructive, but... Got in to K&L Wines and this Moonbuzz Pinot Noir 2015 from Monterey was a lower priced recommend, promptly displayed up front. My wife always complains I only have fancy wines she feels bad about opening and I should have some cheap, everyday ones. This seemed like the ticket.

Literally undrinkable Pinot. Even she who never rejects a wine, spat it out. Wasn't flawed, just bad. Chemical, over-oaked, hot, burning, thin.

Then I Google this, and get even more confused. 92pts?

https://www.wine.com/product/moobuzz-mo ... 015/489979

What's wrong with my pallet? [cry.gif]
You have a pallet of what your palate disfavors?

Of course! To draw from a large pallette of flavors he favors!

For me the worst would have to be a bottle of Chianti in a fiasco that I drank over the course of five years.

Second worse would probably be a bottle that a friend made in Hungary from some unknown grapes that exploded in the back of the car when we hit Czechoslovakia.

Third would probably be Mer Soleil that I tried at a wine bar and sprayed across the spit bucket trying to get it out of my mouth as quickly as possible.

And fourth would be a bottle of Two Buck Chuck that I'd read about but had never tried because at the time there were no Trader Joe's in New York and grocery stores can't sell liquor or wine there anyway. So first time I had a chance to try it, I bought a bottle and we took it home to my wife's parents house. We opened the bottle standing in the kitchen and simultaneously spit it into the sink immediately.
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#20 Post by Corey N. » July 19th, 2019, 3:12 pm

Meiomi Pinot Noir was awful. No varietal character whatsoever, it tasted like chewing tobacco.
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#21 Post by Eric Ifune » July 19th, 2019, 4:02 pm

"Thai White Wine." That's all the label said. It was worse than the "Thai Red Wine."

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#22 Post by Adam Frisch » July 19th, 2019, 4:04 pm

Mike Reff wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 12:16 pm
NYS had its share of duds years ago. I believe Bully Hill and Brotherhood were stand outs. Not sure what they taste like now?
I tried Bully Hill a few times, actually. Because I'm a glutton for punishment, it seems. Reason was they made a wine from the rare hybrid Verdelet and I'm always interested in weird grapes. Terrible, awful wine. Their Foch red was also undrinkable. But then I also ordered their skin-contact white made from Vidal Blanc grape. And I have to say, if you closed your eyes really hard and channeled your inner Teutonic you, you could almost mistake it for a Riesling. Lots of gasoline up front. It was somehow an interesting experience and I would drink that particular one again, if given to me for almost free. [cheers.gif]

I also tried a variety of producers making wine out of the Norton grape. This American hybrid grape intrigued me when I started thinking about the winery. But every single one I had had an overly pruny taste and I quickly abandoned that idea.
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#23 Post by Victor Hong » July 19th, 2019, 4:25 pm

GregT wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 3:07 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 12:09 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 10:34 am
I know this isn't very constructive, but... Got in to K&L Wines and this Moonbuzz Pinot Noir 2015 from Monterey was a lower priced recommend, promptly displayed up front. My wife always complains I only have fancy wines she feels bad about opening and I should have some cheap, everyday ones. This seemed like the ticket.

Literally undrinkable Pinot. Even she who never rejects a wine, spat it out. Wasn't flawed, just bad. Chemical, over-oaked, hot, burning, thin.

Then I Google this, and get even more confused. 92pts?

https://www.wine.com/product/moobuzz-mo ... 015/489979

What's wrong with my pallet? [cry.gif]
You have a pallet of what your palate disfavors?

Of course! To draw from a large pallette of flavors he favors!

For me the worst would have to be a bottle of Chianti in a fiasco that I drank over the course of five years.

Second worse would probably be a bottle that a friend made in Hungary from some unknown grapes that exploded in the back of the car when we hit Czechoslovakia.

Third would probably be Mer Soleil that I tried at a wine bar and sprayed across the spit bucket trying to get it out of my mouth as quickly as possible.

And fourth would be a bottle of Two Buck Chuck that I'd read about but had never tried because at the time there were no Trader Joe's in New York and grocery stores can't sell liquor or wine there anyway. So first time I had a chance to try it, I bought a bottle and we took it home to my wife's parents house. We opened the bottle standing in the kitchen and simultaneously spit it into the sink immediately.
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#24 Post by Charles Weiss » July 19th, 2019, 6:05 pm

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#25 Post by Adam Frisch » July 19th, 2019, 6:15 pm

Pinotage has come up twice now. What's so bad with it? Never tried any even when I was there.
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#26 Post by Corey N. » July 19th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
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Pinotage has come up twice now. What's so bad with it? Never tried any even when I was there.
IMO, the wine tastes dirty. And not in a good way.
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#28 Post by RickieM » July 19th, 2019, 7:13 pm

Opolo Zinfandel. Big fat alcoholic mess that was worse than cough syrup.
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#29 Post by Adam Frisch » July 19th, 2019, 7:26 pm

RickieM wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 7:13 pm
Opolo Zinfandel. Big fat alcoholic mess that was worse than cough syrup.
Yep, walked into that trap myself. Not a nice wine.
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#30 Post by GregT » July 19th, 2019, 7:34 pm

Corey N. wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 6:16 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
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Pinotage has come up twice now. What's so bad with it? Never tried any even when I was there.
IMO, the wine tastes dirty. And not in a good way.
A few years ago I would have agreed. But remember, they were working with that grape while under sanctions and a lot of what was produced wasn't very good. I'm not trying to champion the grape, but post-apartheid they've really improved many of the wines, including Pinotage. Brilliant, maybe not, but I've had a few that had a nice peppery quality that made me re-think my dismissal of it. Back in the day, Steltzner even made some in his winery in Stags Leap in Napa. Wasn't too bad.
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#31 Post by KenL. » July 19th, 2019, 7:49 pm

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#32 Post by Nathan Smyth » July 19th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Hank Victor wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 11:09 am
Sub $15 is very hard to find quality in California imo.
A few years back, Sam Balderas [of Talbott] was making a Pinot, called "Samantha Starr", which was one of the best New World wines I had ever tasted.

It was selling locally for about $14.99.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have continued the project.

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#33 Post by G. Bienstock » July 19th, 2019, 8:54 pm

Mondavi Bourbon barrel something red. Would make Bob wretch and puke.
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#34 Post by M. Taylor » July 19th, 2019, 10:27 pm

Red Schooner Malbec.

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#35 Post by lleichtman » July 19th, 2019, 10:46 pm

Almost anything from Orin Swift. They are oaky hot messes, all of them for me. I don't buy them but they show up at parties and I try them only to spit every time.
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#36 Post by Dennis Borczon » July 20th, 2019, 6:03 am

Man, you guys drink pretty low expectation wines and then are shocked when the taste bad? Marechal Foch was a French American Hybrid that is planted in the FL due to cold hardiness and never was really able to lose the foxiness of the American Rootstock. Not really a badly made wine in some places, just an unsuitable grape for dry red production.

A better question would be what commercially made wine, with adequare resources and really good grapes turned out to be a mess. I bought a 6 pack a few years back from Margeaux Singleton (owner of a famous wine shop in Calistoga, formerly limked to Fred Schrader). She had a small run production wine called Amnesia, label was lifted from the Sistene Chapel and the creation of man (shows outstretched hand of God). It was Zinfandel picked from a vineyard in Napa of all places, and ABV was something like 16%. I expected a big Zin ala Turley and was paying something like 45 bucks for this wine. OMG, it was the hottest, unintegrated, sour fruit oakiest mess of a wine I have ever attempted to drink. On tpp of that it still seemed ot have a detectable level of residual sugar!!! Like Welches grape juice flavored with cheap vodka. I thought how could any producer, given the background of a wine shop owner who drinks lots of great wines from around the world, ever dare to sell this abomination?

Anybody else taste this, dare I call it, wine?
So what wine made with some degree of quality effort and costing more than 2 bucks was a major disappointment?

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#37 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » July 20th, 2019, 6:22 am

My lowest scored wins on CT is a 2011 Cakebread Cellars Syrah Suscol Spings, at 75
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December 14, 2013 - A friend brought this over for dinner. It was awful - nose and taste was smoky with a bite on the back end (this was not tainted - had just delivered through friend's wine club). At $50, it's an embarrassment that Cakebread is selling this wine at this price. POOR.

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#38 Post by Michael Martin » July 20th, 2019, 6:46 am

Erath Pinot. A Costco blow out buy at $10. Should have know better. Watered down mess.
In fact a lot of the really low cost Costco wines I’ve had sucked. I recall an undrinkable Bordeaux for 8.99 and a recent Chianti Riserva for $8.75 that WS gave an 88 to. Thin, watered down juice.

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#39 Post by Otto Forsberg » July 20th, 2019, 7:12 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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My lowest scored wins on CT is a 2011 Cakebread Cellars Syrah Suscol Spings, at 75
Points.

December 14, 2013 - A friend brought this over for dinner. It was awful - nose and taste was smoky with a bite on the back end (this was not tainted - had just delivered through friend's wine club). At $50, it's an embarrassment that Cakebread is selling this wine at this price. POOR.
My lowest score in CT is 50 and one beer and one wine have managed to get that:

De Leite Cuvée Jeun'homme:

Best before March 9th, 2019. 6,5% alcohol.

Slightly hazy pale yellow color with subtly peachy-orange highlights. The white head remains small and dissipates rapidly. The nose feels very distinctive, expressive and slightly vinous with aromas of ripe apple, some bathroom-y lambic notes of ammonia, a little bit of acetic VA and a hint of stale bread. At first the beer feels somewhat sour and slightly fruity with flavors of tart lemon, ripe apple and subtle, slightly Rodenbach-like acetic vinegar character, but THEN: a massive tsunami of mousy THP character rises out of nowhere and obliterates all flavors underneath. I didn't even know that one could taste mousiness on the midpalate! I thought it was only something you could taste in the aftertaste. The finish is slightly sour and overwhelmingly mousy: it feels like there's a pet shop in my nasal cavity. The unpleasant - no, abhorrent - mousiness persists for remarkably long on the palate, only gaining more intensity as the saliva rises the pH in the mouth.

Before this beer I though THP was something one could taste only in the aftertaste, but this beer was not only the mousiest beverage I've ever had the opportunity to taste - it also exhibited mousy THP flavor (rancid nuts, stale bread, old gym socks, moldy Weetabix / Cheerios) already on the midpalate! Live and learn, certainly. By far the most unpleasant brew I've ever had the opportunity to taste and the second bottle ever I couldn't get myself to finish (de Molen Wasabi Saison was the first one). Down the drain it went. Total waste of money at 3,50€ for a 0,33-liter bottle. Avoid.


and

Okro's Wines Mtsvane 2016
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12% alcohol.

Cloudy, fully opaque yellow color that makes the wine look like Hefeweisse. The nose is open and expressive, but more weird than vinous with aromas of beer (like something between a Belgian Wit and a NEIPA) along with aromas of mushy peach, grated lemon zest, some caramel, a little bit of bretty funk and a hint of stale bread. The wine is dry, medium-bodied and horribly mousy on the palate with revolting, unclean THP flavors of Weetabix, rancid nuts, some oven-fresh bread crust, a little bit of vinegar an a hint of sweaty sports gear. The wine is moderately high in acidity with soft and gentle tannins. The finish is very long, quite acid-driven and ridiculously mousy with repulsive mousy flavors that follow the midpalate quite verbatim.

One of the mousiest wines I've ever tasted. Normally THP appears only in the aftertaste, but this wine started to show its mousy flavors already when you were just sloshing the wine around your mouth. Repulsive stuff, you don't need to keep it in your mouth for much longer than a second or two before you want to spit it out. The neauseating, unclean flavor of THP lingers in your mouth for minutes aftertwards. Horrible. If I ever get to taste this wine again in the future, I heartily hope it would be cleaner in style. Although I do enjoy natural wines a lot, this is really a wine that could've used a small dose of SO2.


However, you really don't seem to be making use of the full potential of CT's 50-point scale or then you just drink too good wines. I have tasted 53 wines that I've rated 75 points and there's a total of 474 wines that I've rated 75 points or lower, totaling to some 6% of the wines I've tasted. However, it's the sub-70 pointers I start to consider wines that are undrinkable. Wines that score 70-85 are drinkable, but perhaps not really worth purchasing.

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#40 Post by Andrew Demaree » July 20th, 2019, 8:49 am

Worst that wasn’t obviously flawed: 2010 Tenuta di Renieri Chianti Classico. “Rustic” is being kind. No charm whatsoever.

Worst domestic wine for which I had reasonably high hopes: 2007 Arrowood ‘Lasseter Vineyard’ cab. Probably the most bitter tannins I’ve ever encountered. Really unpleasant.

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#41 Post by Todd Laubach » July 20th, 2019, 9:27 am

With very few exceptions, 2003 CDP. Most the wines were awful after sitting in bottle for a couple of years. I ended up cooking or dumping most of my 2003s. The 2003s I would have liked to drink (Clos des Pape and Pegau were stolen by Holder).

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#42 Post by JG Salazar » July 20th, 2019, 9:55 am

Corey N. wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 3:12 pm
Meiomi Pinot Noir was awful. No varietal character whatsoever, it tasted like chewing tobacco.
Instant classic.
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#43 Post by Greg K » July 20th, 2019, 10:16 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Can't recall at the moment but I am sure that whatever it was, it was either cat pee sauvignon blanc or gamay.
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#44 Post by JBucholz » July 20th, 2019, 1:04 pm

Virtually anything with manufactured or manipulated fruit. Guaranteed headache inducers for me.
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#45 Post by bob poirier » July 20th, 2019, 1:11 pm

Corey N. wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 6:16 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 6:15 pm
Pinotage has come up twice now. What's so bad with it? Never tried any even when I was there.
IMO, the wine tastes dirty. And not in a good way.
+1 agree bad dirt

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#46 Post by Jayson Cohen » July 20th, 2019, 1:11 pm

Putting aside jug and box wine and wines that had turned into chemical soup, there is only one answer that screams out: 1999 Martinelli Reserve RRV Pinot. Served blind at MoCool 2002. Absolutely vile.

I think Maureen can back me up on this one.

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#47 Post by M.Kaplan » July 20th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 20th, 2019, 1:11 pm
Putting aside jug and box wine and wines that had turned into chemical soup, there is only one answer that screams out: 1999 Martinelli Reserve RRV Pinot. Served blind at MoCool 2002. Absolutely vile.

I think Maureen can back me up on this one.
Martinelli Giuseppe and Luisa Zin is worse.
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#48 Post by Jayson Cohen » July 20th, 2019, 1:50 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:
July 20th, 2019, 1:24 pm
Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 20th, 2019, 1:11 pm
Putting aside jug and box wine and wines that had turned into chemical soup, there is only one answer that screams out: 1999 Martinelli Reserve RRV Pinot. Served blind at MoCool 2002. Absolutely vile.

I think Maureen can back me up on this one.
Martinelli Giuseppe and Luisa Zin is worse.
Haven’t had that one. That ‘99 Pinot is the last Martinelli wine I’ve tasted. And only that because it was blind, having previously tasted the almost-as-nasty Jackass Hill Zin and vowing never again.

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#49 Post by David Baum » July 20th, 2019, 1:56 pm

2012 Caymus 40th Anniversary cabernet. Bought a bunch of liter bottles pre arrival for $60. It's like trying to pour a jar of grape jelly down your throat. Instant gag reflex. Good news is I had this wine. Just sold them all at auction at 2.5X what I paid. Not my problem anymore

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#50 Post by Richard T r i m p i » July 20th, 2019, 2:42 pm

Corey N. wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 6:16 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 6:15 pm
Pinotage has come up twice now. What's so bad with it? Never tried any even when I was there.
IMO, the wine tastes dirty. And not in a good way.
I typically avoid it in the US but I've tasted a dozen or more while visiting Mauritius (lots of commerce with R.S.A.). I found most quite acceptable if not inspirational.

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