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Re: Downstream Wines

#51 Post by Jonathan N » July 10th, 2019, 9:33 pm

I was 27 minutes, so most likely too late. As well as too poor if the $1K+ estimates are correct.

Looks like WA already rated it 93-95 points and JD 95-98 (barrel samples?): http://www.philippecambie.com/2018/05/downstream/

edit: added JD's score
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#52 Post by Rory K. » July 10th, 2019, 9:53 pm

And here I thought 'downstream' had a negative connotation... [scratch.gif]
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#53 Post by J. Rock » July 10th, 2019, 10:32 pm

Oh, it's 3 750s AND a magnum in one box. I could bite for $750, but $1,000 might be too much for me.
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#54 Post by Steve Crawford » July 11th, 2019, 3:38 am

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I consider Justin’s wines overextracted and too over-the-top for my palate. Then you add PhillipeCombie to the mix....wowza. Thanks, but no thanks. But it’s a sure 100 pts from Monktown.
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so why are you even posting here in this thread?
the email for downstream went to saxum mailing list and wait list, i doubt you'd be on either.

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#55 Post by Robert M yers » July 11th, 2019, 4:46 am

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And here I thought 'downstream' had a negative connotation... [scratch.gif]
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#56 Post by Adam Lee » July 11th, 2019, 5:27 am

Haven't yet tasted the Downstream wines but the A Deux Têtes wines are very good. The Rose' is perhaps the best I've had from CA or anywhere for that matter.

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#57 Post by T. Williams » July 11th, 2019, 6:04 am

I signed up, but doubt I'll end up pulling the trigger at anything more than $150/750mL. There are just too many wines in the $100-$150 range that I find it hard to justify spending more money on bottles at this point in my life. Either my palat isn't refined enough or my wallet isn't big enough!

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#58 Post by TomHill » July 11th, 2019, 6:14 am

Steve Crawford wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 3:38 am
TomHill wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 8:14 pm
I consider Justin’s wines overextracted and too over-the-top for my palate. Then you add PhillipeCombie to the mix....wowza. Thanks, but no thanks. But it’s a sure 100 pts from Monktown.
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so why are you even posting here in this thread?
the email for downstream went to saxum mailing list and wait list, i doubt you'd be on either.
Well...I sorta thought WB was all about sharing thoughts and opinions on wine. Didn’t realize this was a members-only thread. Sorry about that.
Indeed, not on the Saxum, or SQN, or Alban, or ScreamingEagle, or Harlan, or Colgin, or Coturri mailing lists. So I shouldn’t comment on those wines.
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#59 Post by Rob Herried » July 11th, 2019, 6:22 am

I guess someone should post the rules about who is allowed to post on certain topics.

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Re: Well...

#60 Post by Steve Crawford » July 11th, 2019, 7:42 am

TomHill wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 6:14 am
Steve Crawford wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 3:38 am
TomHill wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 8:14 pm
I consider Justin’s wines overextracted and too over-the-top for my palate. Then you add PhillipeCombie to the mix....wowza. Thanks, but no thanks. But it’s a sure 100 pts from Monktown.
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so why are you even posting here in this thread?
the email for downstream went to saxum mailing list and wait list, i doubt you'd be on either.
Well...I sorta thought WB was all about sharing thoughts and opinions on wine. Didn’t realize this was a members-only thread. Sorry about that.
Indeed, not on the Saxum, or SQN, or Alban, or ScreamingEagle, or Harlan, or Colgin, or Coturri mailing lists. So I shouldn’t comment on those wines.
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if it was any semblance of constructive criticism i say bring it on. your sentiment was, 'I'm afwe, i'll pass' which isn't constructive criticism.
i get the style of wine isn't for you and i respect your taste-more for me/different strokes etc.
but at least make a milkshake joke or something a little more creative champagne.gif

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#61 Post by Alan Eden » July 11th, 2019, 7:48 am

TomHill wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 6:14 am
Steve Crawford wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 3:38 am
TomHill wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 8:14 pm
I consider Justin’s wines overextracted and too over-the-top for my palate. Then you add PhillipeCombie to the mix....wowza. Thanks, but no thanks. But it’s a sure 100 pts from Monktown.
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so why are you even posting here in this thread?
the email for downstream went to saxum mailing list and wait list, i doubt you'd be on either.
Well...I sorta thought WB was all about sharing thoughts and opinions on wine. Didn’t realize this was a members-only thread. Sorry about that.
Indeed, not on the Saxum, or SQN, or Alban, or ScreamingEagle, or Harlan, or Colgin, or Coturri mailing lists. So I shouldn’t comment on those wines.
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#62 Post by Gray G » July 11th, 2019, 7:50 am

Rob Herried wrote:
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I guess someone should post the rules about who is allowed to post on certain topics.
that is funny
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#63 Post by Michael Martin » July 11th, 2019, 7:54 am

Gray G wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 7:50 am
Rob Herried wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 6:22 am
I guess someone should post the rules about who is allowed to post on certain topics.
that is funny
I'll go first. You are not allowed to post about CT. pileon

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#64 Post by Gray G » July 11th, 2019, 7:56 am

hahahahahaha
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#65 Post by Michael Martin » July 11th, 2019, 8:05 am

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hahahahahaha
Sorry couldn't resist. [cheers.gif]

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#66 Post by M. Dildine » July 11th, 2019, 8:07 am

Lot's of speculation here, but I can tell you what I like about this project. It acknowledges Zinfandel as a worthy and noble grape. It gives a nod to the heritage wines of California (Zin, Mataro, Petite). It sources from some of California's best vineyards and highlights the Central Coast. The winemaker is Justin Smith.

All that said, I'm not familiar with Cambie's magic, the packaging is more of a distraction than an attraction for me and there are great, historic Zinfandels and blends available in the marketplace at affordable prices.

But I am interested to see where this project goes.
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#67 Post by Anthony V » July 11th, 2019, 8:46 am

I can't even think of any Zin that costs more than $50-$60 (maybe Turley or Martinelli), much less $100-$200. Would this be a first for a Zin blend at this potential cost?
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#68 Post by MBerto » July 11th, 2019, 9:19 am

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I can't even think of any Zin that costs more than $50-$60 (maybe Turley or Martinelli), much less $100-$200. Would this be a first for a Zin blend at this potential cost?
Last offering of Bedrock Monte Rosso was $60, and that's from 2017 to the list, retail it can hit $80.
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#69 Post by Mark Morrissette » July 11th, 2019, 9:30 am

Most Turley is in the $30 - $50 range.

The Turley Hayne Vineyard Zinfandel was $75 to the list, I think. Looks like it is a little over $100 retail.

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#70 Post by Robert M yers » July 11th, 2019, 9:35 am

Where does it say it’s going to be Zin based? I read it as Cambie can pick what he likes and blend them as he likes. I’d tend to think he may use a bit of Zin if it fills part of the wine out, but I don’t think he is a Zin specialist so to say.

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#71 Post by Rob Herried » July 11th, 2019, 9:43 am

According to an earlier post it's 76% zin
Jackass Hill is usually around $150

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#72 Post by Anthony V » July 11th, 2019, 9:44 am

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Where does it say it’s going to be Zin based? I read it as Cambie can pick what he likes and blend them as he likes. I’d tend to think he may use a bit of Zin if it fills part of the wine out, but I don’t think he is a Zin specialist so to say.
The blend is 76% Zinfandel, 8% Syrah, 6% Mataro, 6% Petite Sirah and 4% Tempranillo, and it’s being matured in used wood.

http://www.philippecambie.com/2018/05/downstream/
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#73 Post by Anthony V » July 11th, 2019, 9:45 am

Rob Herried wrote:
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According to an earlier post it's 76% zin
Jackass Hill is usually around $150
$150 at release or in the secondary market? I was thinking of release price in my comment
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#74 Post by Robert M yers » July 11th, 2019, 9:47 am

Anthony V wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 9:44 am
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Where does it say it’s going to be Zin based? I read it as Cambie can pick what he likes and blend them as he likes. I’d tend to think he may use a bit of Zin if it fills part of the wine out, but I don’t think he is a Zin specialist so to say.
The blend is 76% Zinfandel, 8% Syrah, 6% Mataro, 6% Petite Sirah and 4% Tempranillo, and it’s being matured in used wood.

http://www.philippecambie.com/2018/05/downstream/
Ok thanks, I didn’t realize it was final. I was just going on the original post.

The early Paderewski wines were Zin heavy but I don’t think they even got above 50%

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#75 Post by M. Dildine » July 11th, 2019, 10:34 am

Anthony V wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 9:45 am
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According to an earlier post it's 76% zin
Jackass Hill is usually around $150
$150 at release or in the secondary market? I was thinking of release price in my comment
Martinelli Jackass Hill sells from the winery at $125, IIRC. Fruit is sourced from a tiny, very steep plot of ancient 19th vines that produce low yields and require great care and cost to maintain.

I've been on the Martinelli mailing list for over 10 years, clamoring for them to sell me a bottle, and they've yet to allocate me one (I did hear that I was getting close).
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#76 Post by M. Dildine » July 11th, 2019, 11:13 am

Again, in the middle of all of the speculation, the team is taking a risk and possibly breaking new ground, which I always admire.

I'm not one to indulge in bling, but Zinfandel, after white Zin, Gallo Hearty Burgundy and being ripped out of the ground for the variety du jour for decades- - has earned a little bling. I am excited about this project and wish it well!
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#77 Post by Gray G » July 11th, 2019, 11:29 am

Jonathan N wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 9:33 pm
I was 27 minutes, so most likely too late. As well as too poor if the $1K+ estimates are correct.

Looks like WA already rated it 93-95 points (barrel sample?): http://www.philippecambie.com/2018/05/downstream/
thank you for the link, JD really likes it [cheers.gif]
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#78 Post by bob poirier » July 11th, 2019, 11:41 am

Robert M yers wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 9:47 am
Anthony V wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 9:44 am
Robert M yers wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 9:35 am
Where does it say it’s going to be Zin based? I read it as Cambie can pick what he likes and blend them as he likes. I’d tend to think he may use a bit of Zin if it fills part of the wine out, but I don’t think he is a Zin specialist so to say.
The blend is 76% Zinfandel, 8% Syrah, 6% Mataro, 6% Petite Sirah and 4% Tempranillo, and it’s being matured in used wood.

http://www.philippecambie.com/2018/05/downstream/
Ok thanks, I didn’t realize it was final. I was just going on the original post.

The early Paderewski wines were Zin heavy but I don’t think they even got above 50%
The 13' was I think 33% Zin, and was my favorite of the Paderewski's, which is one of my favorite Saxum's every year.

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#79 Post by Jonathan N » July 11th, 2019, 11:55 am

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thank you for the link, JD really likes it [cheers.gif]
Thanks for the catch! I didn't scroll down far enough, but edited my post to add JD's score.

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#80 Post by Jonathan N » July 11th, 2019, 11:55 am

The most expensive Zin I'd previously heard of was Grgich Hills Miljenko's Old Vine Zinfandel at $130, but I think 2014 was the last vintage produced.

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#81 Post by Steve Crawford » July 11th, 2019, 1:23 pm

chase cellars (hayne/bourne) reserve zin is $100.

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#82 Post by Alan Eden » July 11th, 2019, 1:28 pm

I have a Bedrock 2017 Old Vine Zin that i will sell for $1,000,000.00 , is that the most expensive Zin ever ?
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#83 Post by P Intag » July 11th, 2019, 2:13 pm

And people wonder why prices keep rising unabated...
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#84 Post by David Glasser » July 12th, 2019, 7:56 am

Alan Eden wrote:
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I have a Bedrock 2017 Old Vine Zin that i will sell for $1,000,000.00 , is that the most expensive Zin ever ?

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#85 Post by Billy Norris » July 12th, 2019, 9:44 am

FWIW, this is all purely speculative at this point...Obviously circumstantial evidence would point to this being released at $150+/bot, but shall we not crucify them before we see the actual number?

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#86 Post by Michel D. » July 13th, 2019, 9:41 am

jordan whitehead wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 2:24 pm
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76% zin? [wow.gif]
Yeah, I know. Wish it was more!
may be entering into unchartered territory charging $200ish/750ml for a zin based wine
Mazzocco already is in this ball park for the high end Zin.
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#87 Post by Michel D. » July 13th, 2019, 9:44 am

Jonathan N wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 11:55 am
The most expensive Zin I'd previously heard of was Grgich Hills Miljenko's Old Vine Zinfandel at $130, but I think 2014 was the last vintage produced.
Here you go ...Mazzocco, the most expensive Zin I have ever seen (or drank :))


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#88 Post by Michael Martin » July 13th, 2019, 9:49 am

Michel D. wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 9:44 am
Jonathan N wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 11:55 am
The most expensive Zin I'd previously heard of was Grgich Hills Miljenko's Old Vine Zinfandel at $130, but I think 2014 was the last vintage produced.
Here you go ...Mazzocco, the most expensive Zin I have ever seen (or drank :))


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#89 Post by GregT » July 13th, 2019, 5:38 pm

So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.
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#90 Post by Bill James » July 13th, 2019, 5:57 pm

Well, I've been on Saxum's list for over 10 years, and I'm not ready to "pony up" yet, but will see what the pricing is upon release.

As for Cambie, he appears to have a rather successful track record, so why not take a bet on him?

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#91 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » July 13th, 2019, 7:43 pm

GregT wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 5:38 pm
So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.
Who wouldn't want to pay $150+ for a 93 point wine?

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#92 Post by Robert M yers » July 13th, 2019, 7:48 pm

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July 13th, 2019, 5:57 pm
Well, I've been on Saxum's list for over 10 years, and I'm not ready to "pony up" yet, but will see what the pricing is upon release.

As for Cambie, he appears to have a rather successful track record, so why not take a bet on him?
But like I asked earlier, it’s the same wine that Justin has available to put together. He is just letting Cambie have a crack at making a blend from his juice. I can’t see how that’s worth much of a premium, if any. Justin has proven he knows how to do this himself extremely well, if you want a Cambie wine there are a zillion less expensive options out there.

But maybe it will be the best Zin ever made...I’m sure they’ll sell it out.

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#93 Post by Steve Crawford » July 14th, 2019, 4:49 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 7:43 pm
GregT wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 5:38 pm
So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.
Who wouldn't want to pay $150+ for a 93 point wine?
that score is from william kelly who is as reliable as a $5 whore. jeb gave the 2016 97 points and the '17 96-98.

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#94 Post by Alan Eden » July 14th, 2019, 5:03 am

Robert M yers wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 7:48 pm
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July 13th, 2019, 5:57 pm
Well, I've been on Saxum's list for over 10 years, and I'm not ready to "pony up" yet, but will see what the pricing is upon release.

As for Cambie, he appears to have a rather successful track record, so why not take a bet on him?
But like I asked earlier, it’s the same wine that Justin has available to put together. He is just letting Cambie have a crack at making a blend from his juice. I can’t see how that’s worth much of a premium, if any. Justin has proven he knows how to do this himself extremely well, if you want a Cambie wine there are a zillion less expensive options out there.

But maybe it will be the best Zin ever made...I’m sure they’ll sell it out.
Other problem is how the heck can you judge it for at least 4 years, no matter what critics say i cant see this being much of a Pobega wine. 76% zin and from Saxum picked vineyards then vinified by Justin just no way its an early drinker so you will be $3-4000 into it before you know if you like it. Thats a lot of cake for a zin wine
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#95 Post by larry schaffer » July 14th, 2019, 8:01 am

Steve Crawford wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:49 am
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July 13th, 2019, 5:38 pm
So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.

that score is from william kelly who is as reliable as a $5 whore. jeb gave the 2016 97 points and the '17 96-98.
Steve,

Curious why you make this statement? You obviously have 'issues' with William's scoring - just curious where it's coming from? I find his reviews quite interesting and illuminating, and do not find he 'bounces around' with his scores. He definitely has different opinions about some producers than others, but that's his opinion based on his palate.

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#96 Post by larry schaffer » July 14th, 2019, 8:06 am

Alan Eden wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 5:03 am


Other problem is how the heck can you judge it for at least 4 years, no matter what critics say i cant see this being much of a Pobega wine. 76% zin and from Saxum picked vineyards then vinified by Justin just no way its an early drinker so you will be $3-4000 into it before you know if you like it. Thats a lot of cake for a zin wine
One can say this about lots of wine being put out there these days - and for quite some time. I've seen plenty of threads where folks 'got in early' on someone, purchased numerous releases, and then realized that it just wasn't for them - but their FOMO made it impossible to pass . . .

I do believe that 'reputation' and 'track record' do come into play, and I'm sure that with all those involved, this will not be a 'poorly made' wine whatsoever - and will probably be quite good for those who like the style of wines made by those making them.

And for those who are wondering why one would pay a premium for someone using 'someone else's wine' to blend their own, there certainly is an 'art' to blending - and having one who is quite accomplished at doing just that work with certain lots will most likely create something different enough than the original producer to 'justify' it being a different release. Is it worth the extra tariff? That's up to the individual purchaser to decide . . .

Last but not least, for those waiting for 'scores', why? So many small Napa producers releasing crazy high priced wines and everyone clamoring for them because of fruit source or winemaker involvement, etc - why is this any different?

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#97 Post by Nathan V. » July 14th, 2019, 11:53 am

From OP
I want to introduce you to a new project we have been working on since 2015. We call it Downstream. It’s a partnership between Heather and myself, Sasha Verhage, and Philippe Cambie. Some of you may know Philippe from all the amazing wines he’s helped create in the Southern Rhone. The man truly has an amazing palette!
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So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.
Who wouldn't want to pay $150+ for a 93 point wine?
that score is from william kelly who is as reliable as a $5 whore. jeb gave the 2016 97 points and the '17 96-98.
Then you should get a pallet due to your trust in Cambie's palette and I'll stick with my alignment with William's palate.
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#98 Post by John Morris » July 14th, 2019, 12:21 pm

Steve Crawford wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:49 am
that score is from william kelly who is as reliable as a $5 whore. jeb gave the 2016 97 points and the '17 96-98.
Let me get this straight -- ranking this wine 93 as opposed to 96-98 disqualifies Kelley? I mean, 93 is like saying it's undrinkable.
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#99 Post by Steve Crawford » July 14th, 2019, 3:14 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 8:01 am
Steve Crawford wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:49 am
GregT wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 5:38 pm
So nobody has tasted this but people are willing to pony up?

I assume that the people signing up are familiar with Cambie's work and with Saxum, which pretty much guarantees a Jeb score in the mid to high nineties.

But I'm curious why people would be willing to pay the Cambie premium for the same juice that they could already get from Saxum.

that score is from william kelly who is as reliable as a $5 whore. jeb gave the 2016 97 points and the '17 96-98.
Steve,

Curious why you make this statement? You obviously have 'issues' with William's scoring - just curious where it's coming from? I find his reviews quite interesting and illuminating, and do not find he 'bounces around' with his scores. He definitely has different opinions about some producers than others, but that's his opinion based on his palate.

Cheers.
I am a self admitted jeb loyalist and I don't hide this.
I've tasted more than 15 wines both men have scored and haven't found a bottle yet where I agree with WK.
like you said, his scores reflect his palate.

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#100 Post by GregT » July 14th, 2019, 3:35 pm

I do believe that 'reputation' and 'track record' do come into play, and I'm sure that with all those involved, this will not be a 'poorly made' wine whatsoever - and will probably be quite good for those who like the style of wines made by those making them.

And for those who are wondering why one would pay a premium for someone using 'someone else's wine' to blend their own, there certainly is an 'art' to blending - and having one who is quite accomplished at doing just that work with certain lots will most likely create something different enough than the original producer to 'justify' it being a different release. Is it worth the extra tariff? That's up to the individual purchaser to decide . . .

Last but not least, for those waiting for 'scores', why? So many small Napa producers releasing crazy high priced wines and everyone clamoring for them because of fruit source or winemaker involvement, etc - why is this any different?
I agree completely with the first sentence Larry. It won't be "poorly made", but it will be of a type. I've tasted enough of Cambie's wine to know what to expect, and it's evident if you taste some of the before and after CdPs he's worked on. It's funny but his palate seems to reflect his presence - the guy is immense. I've only heard him a couple of times but he seemed very thoughtful and absolutely knowledgeable. But so is Sparky Marquis, who is a truly engaging guy with a wealth of information, but has an aesthetic that's a bit beyond where I'm willing to go. Maybe I was wrong but I'm wondering if the people who will buy this are in fact fans of the Cambie style or are just willing to pay based on something they've read.

But insofar as blending goes - Cambie is an expert in the Rhone and the south of France, where he's spent his life and has worked with many vineyards over the years. But has he ever worked in CA? With Zin? I can see trying the wine as a curiosity, but I don't see how it can command any kind of premium on the guy's first time out. And there's always Helen Turley if you want big Zin.

As far as scores go - you know why those are important! How else will anyone know if and how much they like the wine?
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