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He's welcome to register and post here!!! I won't boot him out like he did to me
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Why did he boot you? Curious:)
He's welcome to register and post here!!! I won't boot him out like he did to me
Yes, hubris and humorlessness, a deadly cocktail…Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 6:21 pm... I met Mark Squires multiple times. I know one should not speak ill of the dead, but I found Mark Squires to be dead the first time I met him and he never came to life. Dour, dull, humorless (which he tried to disguise with his shirts), prissy, priggish, fussy, frustrated, rigid, censorious... I probably should not post this, but I think it may well have been him rather than Parker who killed the board...
But, the short-term buzz can feel impressive.Rudi Finkler wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 9:09 amYes, hubris and humorlessness, a deadly cocktail…Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 6:21 pm... I met Mark Squires multiple times. I know one should not speak ill of the dead, but I found Mark Squires to be dead the first time I met him and he never came to life. Dour, dull, humorless (which he tried to disguise with his shirts), prissy, priggish, fussy, frustrated, rigid, censorious... I probably should not post this, but I think it may well have been him rather than Parker who killed the board...![]()
You have this backwards, Kris. It was Mark's board. He launched it in January of '99 and then it was hosted on erobertparker when Bob started it, I believe at the end of '01.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 6:44 amTitle is a bit deceiving, while Mark may have hosted it, it was Robert Parker's board
He called many/most, not all the shots, but that's not relevant to what Kris mentioned, which was simply incorrect.
Didn't the Squires' BB exist before it went to eBob? IIRC it had been around and got included into the eBob site after some time.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 6:44 amTitle is a bit deceiving, while Mark may have hosted it, it was Robert Parker's board, and peaked back when Parker, Rovani, Galloni, Jeb and others were posting there regularly. The quality of info was incredible at a time when the internet wasn't what it is today, back in early 2000s. It was the best place to learn and get scoop on new producers.....like an unknown Scarecrow getting a 98 for their 2003.....or even better what Bordeaux to buy.
Now there is so much info, that board became fallow when they put up members wall and didn't realize the value was members posts.
I am correct as are you, I may have been overly sarcastic to the point of acting pedantic. While it was Mark's Board, it was zilch without Parker and eBob, and that is why it had the traffic it did is where I was driving.Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 10:39 amYou have this backwards, Kris. It was Mark's board. He launched it in January of '99 and then it was hosted on erobertparker when Bob started it, I believe at the end of '01.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 6:44 amTitle is a bit deceiving, while Mark may have hosted it, it was Robert Parker's board
It certainly was not "zilch" before it joined the erobertparker site. A lot of people would likely agree that, at that time, it was probably the best wine board on the Internet, along with Robin Garr's Wine Lover's Discussion Group. It certainly had a lot more traffic after the move, but within a few years the site deteriorated.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 12:38 pmI am correct as are you, I may have been overly sarcastic to the point of acting pedantic. While it was Mark's Board, it was zilch without Parker and eBob, and that is why it had the traffic it did is where I was driving.Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 10:39 amYou have this backwards, Kris. It was Mark's board. He launched it in January of '99 and then it was hosted on erobertparker when Bob started it, I believe at the end of '01.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 6:44 amTitle is a bit deceiving, while Mark may have hosted it, it was Robert Parker's board
I came aboard in the prime eBob times, so wasn't around prior. In its heyday on eBob there was no better place to learn about wine from passionate wine people.Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 12:49 pmIt certainly was not "zilch" before it joined the erobertparker site. A lot of people would likely agree that, at that time, it was probably the best wine board on the Internet, along with Robin Garr's Wine Lover's Discussion Group. It certainly had a lot more traffic after the move, but within a few years the site deteriorated.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 12:38 pmI am correct as are you, I may have been overly sarcastic to the point of acting pedantic. While it was Mark's Board, it was zilch without Parker and eBob, and that is why it had the traffic it did is where I was driving.
Yaacov,ybarselah wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 7:58 amthere's a strange culture on this board that treats all ITB folks as a combo of the enemy, shilling, ulterior motives, etc. It's odd to say the least given that with very few exceptions, it's a rather familial group that is inherently interested in sharing and learning. i don't remember if it was materially different there, but regardless, this community would benefit from a more open culture from the "other side." a perfect example is the premier cru subject. i have no doubt that more people could have avoided losses had this community been a more accepting place for ITB.
IIRC, the Squires board existed long before it becameKris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 6:44 amTitle is a bit deceiving, while Mark may have hosted it, it was Robert Parker's board...
This community is far and away more welcoming to ITB members, and always has been. That was part of its design, as ERP was quite the opposite.Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 4:15 pmYaacov,ybarselah wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 7:58 amthere's a strange culture on this board that treats all ITB folks as a combo of the enemy, shilling, ulterior motives, etc. It's odd to say the least given that with very few exceptions, it's a rather familial group that is inherently interested in sharing and learning. i don't remember if it was materially different there, but regardless, this community would benefit from a more open culture from the "other side." a perfect example is the premier cru subject. i have no doubt that more people could have avoided losses had this community been a more accepting place for ITB.
I was quite surprised by your post. I am blatantly ITB and I have never noticed any hostility from anybody here (with the exception of one ex-Parker board member, a person who recently posted, reiterating some old obsessions, one of which is that I am a criminal because Domaine du Pegau labels Cuvee Reservee as 14% alcohol). I try to be polite on the board, which does not come naturally. Also transparent, which does. I know some of my posts have been controversial, but I have met with nothing but courtesy. I am grateful for this board.
Dan Kravitz
Agree on participation - I can speak to intent, however, as the intent is mine. In the early eBob days, everybody was participating freely, and significantly, then things started to really crack down, and ITB was one of the first to suffer.Kris Patten wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 8:27 pmTodd,
Tolerant, yes, welcoming, firm maybe.
If you believe the ITB participation here is at or above what it should be, congratulations. As someone ITB, albeit distributor scum, I find the winemaker/proprietor participation is poor or worse than eBob, and that is a loss of knowledge that is very valuable.
Exactly this...Dan Hammer wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 9:53 amI never had an opinion of him until I PM'd him to give him a heads up about an issue that a high visibility poster had. His response to me was sort ofMore like a F/U a$$hole I don't care. I was sort of expecting sorry to hear the sad news.
So MS if you're reading, allow me this editorial comment >![]()
Agree. Not zilch. It was one of THE places to be for wine.Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 10:39 amIt certainly was not "zilch" before it joined the erobertparker site. A lot of people would likely agree that, at that time, it was probably the best wine board on the Internet, along with Robin Garr's Wine Lover's Discussion Group. It certainly had a lot more traffic after the move, but within a few years the site deteriorated.
When Parker took in Squires most of the posters came from West Coast Wine . So the traffic at WCW pretty much went close to zero.
Unclear if it will be archived. Currently they are saying the archives will not be available on their website.
Yaacov- my sentiments exactly. It can be a strange and uncomfortable place to be for people ITB. MOST of the people here are eager to know what goes on in the vineyard, how blending trials are operated, what goes on on the bottling line, what the effects of different weather occurrences are on the fruit on the vine or on bare vines, how pricing is determined, etc. But there is a vocal minority that can make an ITB person turn away from discussions.ybarselah wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 7:58 amthere's a strange culture on this board that treats all ITB folks as a combo of the enemy, shilling, ulterior motives, etc. It's odd to say the least given that with very few exceptions, it's a rather familial group that is inherently interested in sharing and learning. i don't remember if it was materially different there, but regardless, this community would benefit from a more open culture from the "other side." a perfect example is the premier cru subject. i have no doubt that more people could have avoided losses had this community been a more accepting place for ITB.
Eric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
They really could never understand this. They wasted something that was so valuable. Now the Wine Advocate keeps saying the future is Facebook (it is 2019!) and Instagram!!!!Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htmEric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
so sad. so trueRobert Dentice wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:40 amThey really could never understand this. They wasted something that was so valuable. Now the Wine Advocate keeps saying the future is Facebook (it is 2019!) and Instagram!!!!Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htmEric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
What an Avatar! I remember that pic from the old days.rob klafter wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:43 amso sad. so trueRobert Dentice wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:40 amThey really could never understand this. They wasted something that was so valuable. Now the Wine Advocate keeps saying the future is Facebook (it is 2019!) and Instagram!!!!Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htm
RIP Parker Board
sorry Eric,Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htmEric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
You are incorrect; it is not.Gray G wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:28 amsorry Eric,Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htmEric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
CT is pay I believe, so this may be hypocritical
You called Eric a hypocrite because CT is a pay site. It is not. Congratulations for donating though.
+1Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 4:15 pmYaacov,ybarselah wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2019, 7:58 amthere's a strange culture on this board that treats all ITB folks as a combo of the enemy, shilling, ulterior motives, etc. It's odd to say the least given that with very few exceptions, it's a rather familial group that is inherently interested in sharing and learning. i don't remember if it was materially different there, but regardless, this community would benefit from a more open culture from the "other side." a perfect example is the premier cru subject. i have no doubt that more people could have avoided losses had this community been a more accepting place for ITB.
I was quite surprised by your post. I am blatantly ITB and I have never noticed any hostility from anybody here (with the exception of one ex-Parker board member, a person who recently posted, reiterating some old obsessions, one of which is that I am a criminal because Domaine du Pegau labels Cuvee Reservee as 14% alcohol). I try to be polite on the board, which does not come naturally. Also transparent, which does. I know some of my posts have been controversial, but I have met with nothing but courtesy. I am grateful for this board.
Dan Kravitz
You forget Todd's and a few others, brief foray onto Wine Disorder in the afternath of the Squire's board lockout? The two Joes were not particularly welcoming.Jayson Cohen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:51 am(Todd should just be glad he doesn’t have to deal with my friend Joe Dressner, RIP.)
I suspect I was on (in?) Hiatus then if circa 2008-2010, so I can’t forget what I never knew. But in any case I didn’t say the two Joes were welcoming.Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:38 amYou forget Todd's and a few others, brief foray onto Wine Disorder in the afternath of the Squire's board lockout? The two Joes were not particularly welcoming.Jayson Cohen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:51 am(Todd should just be glad he doesn’t have to deal with my friend Joe Dressner, RIP.)
It's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died.Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:48 amIs it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some.
But on the positive side it’s not as clicky and idiosyncratic as Todd experienced after Squires booted him but before starting WB - here is the Todd meets Dressner and crew thread I’d never seen before today:Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:53 amIt's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died.Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:48 amIs it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some.
not looking for congratulations, just following Eric's annual ask on CT, no brainerNeal.Mollen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:46 amYou called Eric a hypocrite because CT is a pay site. It is not. Congratulations for donating though.
There was also the fun episode where a bunch of refugees from the Squires board briefly flooded the UK wine-pages forum only to be driven away by all the threads about cricket.Jayson Cohen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 12:14 pmBut on the positive side it’s not as clicky and idiosyncratic as Todd experienced after Squires booted him but before starting WB - here is the Todd meets Dressner and crew thread I’d never seen before today:Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:53 amIt's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died.Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:48 amIs it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some.
http://winedisorder.com/comment/56/1063/
Out of context, this is bat-shit crazy.
An absolutely delightful thread. Alas, fraudulent advertising since Joe D and Chris are both gone. All that's left are we witless cranks.Jayson Cohen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 12:14 pmBut on the positive side it’s not as clicky and idiosyncratic as Todd experienced after Squires booted him but before starting WB - here is the Todd meets Dressner and crew thread I’d never seen before today:Brad Kane wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:53 amIt's still clicky and, unfortunately, not as vital as it once was as few of its most valuable participants and friends of mine, have died.Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 11:48 amIs it welcoming now? Seems quite clicky, but I get that it fills a niche for some.
http://winedisorder.com/comment/56/1063/
Out of context, this is bat-shit crazy.
You jumped Eric's shit first. So getting your panties in a bunch here, just makes you come across as someone who can dish it out but can't take it.Gray G wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 12:28 pmnot looking for congratulations, just following Eric's annual ask on CT, no brainerNeal.Mollen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:46 amYou called Eric a hypocrite because CT is a pay site. It is not. Congratulations for donating though.
I think I typed "maybe" 4WIW
thanks for being offended for him though and jumping my shit, just like society today, if you aren't offended, cheap or otherwise, someone will be for you....![]()
not helpful overall at best, ambulance chasing is so unattractive
cheers
LOL, pretty much, except that I wasn't "dishing" anything out. As Harry Truman once said, "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it's Hell."Lee Short wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 1:47 pmYou jumped Eric's shit first. So getting your panties in a bunch here, just makes you come across as someone who can dish it out but can't take it.Gray G wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 12:28 pmnot looking for congratulations, just following Eric's annual ask on CT, no brainerNeal.Mollen wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:46 am
You called Eric a hypocrite because CT is a pay site. It is not. Congratulations for donating though.
I think I typed "maybe" 4WIW
thanks for being offended for him though and jumping my shit, just like society today, if you aren't offended, cheap or otherwise, someone will be for you....![]()
not helpful overall at best, ambulance chasing is so unattractive
cheers
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I don't actually understand your point. Can you restate it please?Gray G wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 10:28 amsorry Eric,Eric LeVine wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 9:17 amMy newsletter from 4/29/2010 is apropos: https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/n ... 9-2010.htmEric LeVine wrote: During my personal wine evolution over the past decade, I have been a very active participant on a number of wine bulletin boards. In fact this is what led me to create CellarTracker as I saw other people struggling with how to manage their own wine collections and tasting notes. The original board where I cut my proverbial teeth was the Mark Squires Bulletin Board at eRobertParker.com, a once very vibrant community loaded with remarkably knowledgeable collectors, winemakers and industry people. I met many very close friends as a direct consequence of my participation there. I am very sad to say that, as of this week, that board has been closed unless you pay $100/year for an eRobertParker subscription. I am very thankful to Bob and Mark for all they have done, but the value of a bulletin board or a site like CellarTracker is not based on who hosts it but rather the critical mass of knowledge and active contributors. By converting that board to a “walled garden” ala AOL circa 1995, this represents a truly profound loss for the consumer and the wine industry as a whole. (snip)
Yes, this is a eulogy. RIP eRP BB.
CT is pay I believe, so this may be hypocritical
I don't get really understand why people are so cheap, and if someone isn't cheap, someone will be cheap for you
I like paying dues and being a member or subscriber to help float the boat, like some JFK quote I've heard for decades
Somehow now with socialists and socialism becoming in favor, it's all about gimme gimme gimme because i breath and type, like bums
I believe it's a 2 way street whether ITB or consumer and happily help WB, eRP, Vimuos, JD, as well or any other group board I'm on
all this crap about paying is just sad
cheers
and Happy 4th
I shouldn't enter this exchange, as I have no part in it. And, since this post is its own best response, there is nothing to add.Gray G wrote: ↑July 4th, 2019, 2:43 pmhahaha, you guys need a life or 2
hypocrisy must be a touchy one when dancing on the WA/MS BB's grave when talking about $$$
a celebration of life would be more appropriate
add that to being offended or someone will be offended for you
cheers
PS. there is no regular programming anymore, Cronkite is history LOL