No dosage champagne
No dosage champagne
We spent a couple of days in Champagne recently. Tried a no dosage at Ployez Jacquemart and really liked it. It was the first we had tried.
We live in Austin, and apart from one producer at Total Wine I haven’t been able to find any no dosage champagne. Is it really that limited in the states?
We live in Austin, and apart from one producer at Total Wine I haven’t been able to find any no dosage champagne. Is it really that limited in the states?
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Talk to Robert Panzer. He’s a board member and sells Ployez amongst others. It’s my house wine, we love it, we also stayed there for part of the honeymoon.
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No dosage? Does that mean it's available over-the-counter without a prescription?
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Re: No dosage champagne
Everybody likes something different, though I (and my drinking crew) are all in line with you - no or very low dosage is our preference for Champagne.
I think you'll find some really good ideas in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141238
The OP of that thread FMIII is of a similar mind, and you'll find lots of good chatter about wines that fit your palate, and some pretty good ideas about where you might get them.
Disclaimer: We accept no blame for what happens after you start reading there - for many of us there is no space left in our storage, but a big hole in the wallet where the money once was.
I think you'll find some really good ideas in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141238
The OP of that thread FMIII is of a similar mind, and you'll find lots of good chatter about wines that fit your palate, and some pretty good ideas about where you might get them.
Disclaimer: We accept no blame for what happens after you start reading there - for many of us there is no space left in our storage, but a big hole in the wallet where the money once was.

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lots of love here for Ployez-Jacquemart. We had a great visit there in 2018 and I love the wines and the d’Harbonville.
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I had a lovely 1999 d’Harbonville recently, excellent wine.alan weinberg wrote: ↑June 8th, 2019, 9:48 pmlots of love here for Ployez-Jacquemart. We had a great visit there in 2018 and I love the wines and the d’Harbonville.
Back to the OP, I think Champagne producers are finding ways to get the grapes ripe enough that dosage is needed less, or sometimes not at all. Some of them are the fruitless enamel scrapers that the name conjures, but more of them seem pretty mainstream tasting these days.
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I had only tried their Extra Brut Rosè and liked it a lot. Any others of their lineup that you'd recommend?alan weinberg wrote: ↑June 8th, 2019, 9:48 pmlots of love here for Ployez-Jacquemart. We had a great visit there in 2018 and I love the wines and the d’Harbonville.
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Rootstock Wines in Austin I’m sure has a few that they sell locally in Austin. They are importer/wholesalers.
Larmandier Bernier Terre de Vertus if you like Chardonnay is brilliant is a great non dose Champagne I have been buying since the 2008’s.
Larmandier Bernier Terre de Vertus if you like Chardonnay is brilliant is a great non dose Champagne I have been buying since the 2008’s.
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Ive liked all I try—08 is super, as is the NV rosé.Frederico L e e wrote: ↑June 9th, 2019, 6:58 amI had only tried their Extra Brut Rosè and liked it a lot. Any others of their lineup that you'd recommend?alan weinberg wrote: ↑June 8th, 2019, 9:48 pmlots of love here for Ployez-Jacquemart. We had a great visit there in 2018 and I love the wines and the d’Harbonville.
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alan weinberg wrote: ↑June 9th, 2019, 10:54 amI’ve liked all I have tried—08 is super, as is the NV rosé.Frederico L e e wrote: ↑June 9th, 2019, 6:58 amI had only tried their Extra Brut Rosè and liked it a lot. Any others of their lineup that you'd recommend?alan weinberg wrote: ↑June 8th, 2019, 9:48 pmlots of love here for Ployez-Jacquemart. We had a great visit there in 2018 and I love the wines and the d’Harbonville.
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Jacky Blot Domaine de la Taille Aux Loups "Triple Zero" - fantastic stuff for around $30/bottle
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I import Champagne from a medium-sized Estate Bottler. His wines are available in (from memory) about 20 states. His normal dosage is at the lower level of Brut, normally 0.7% (seven grams/litre). For orders as low as one case (from a distributor, we are obliged to sell through the 3-tier system) he will do custom-dosage. I know a number of retailers, some of whom take orders from consumers, who request zero dosage, or other numbers. One store orders five cases a year at 0.3% (3 grams/litre), more stores order Brut Zero, a few order 0.5% (5 grams/litre). He does this for the basic NV wines as well as vintage. This fall he will release his 2008s. This is a grower with excellent press. Interested members can PM or e-mail me if interested.
I try not to do commercial posts, but this is a subject that a lot of people find of interest. I rarely drink Brut Zero (only for really good producers, and usually with a lot of age), but 0.5% is my sweet spot.
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I import Champagne from a medium-sized Estate Bottler. His wines are available in (from memory) about 20 states. His normal dosage is at the lower level of Brut, normally 0.7% (seven grams/litre). For orders as low as one case (from a distributor, we are obliged to sell through the 3-tier system) he will do custom-dosage. I know a number of retailers, some of whom take orders from consumers, who request zero dosage, or other numbers. One store orders five cases a year at 0.3% (3 grams/litre), more stores order Brut Zero, a few order 0.5% (5 grams/litre). He does this for the basic NV wines as well as vintage. This fall he will release his 2008s. This is a grower with excellent press. Interested members can PM or e-mail me if interested.
I try not to do commercial posts, but this is a subject that a lot of people find of interest. I rarely drink Brut Zero (only for really good producers, and usually with a lot of age), but 0.5% is my sweet spot.
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That could make an interesting side-by-side tasting, especially if followed over several years.Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑June 9th, 2019, 4:28 pmcommercial post:
I import Champagne from a medium-sized Estate Bottler. His wines are available in (from memory) about 20 states. His normal dosage is at the lower level of Brut, normally 0.7% (seven grams/litre). For orders as low as one case (from a distributor, we are obliged to sell through the 3-tier system) he will do custom-dosage. I know a number of retailers, some of whom take orders from consumers, who request zero dosage, or other numbers. One store orders five cases a year at 0.3% (3 grams/litre), more stores order Brut Zero, a few order 0.5% (5 grams/litre). He does this for the basic NV wines as well as vintage. This fall he will release his 2008s. This is a grower with excellent press. Interested members can PM or e-mail me if interested.
I try not to do commercial posts, but this is a subject that a lot of people find of interest. I rarely drink Brut Zero (only for really good producers, and usually with a lot of age), but 0.5% is my sweet spot.
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Interesting Dan. Have you had the reg dosage along side a no-dosage version? If so, what do you think?Dan Kravitz wrote: ↑June 9th, 2019, 4:28 pmcommercial post:
I import Champagne from a medium-sized Estate Bottler. His wines are available in (from memory) about 20 states. His normal dosage is at the lower level of Brut, normally 0.7% (seven grams/litre). For orders as low as one case (from a distributor, we are obliged to sell through the 3-tier system) he will do custom-dosage. I know a number of retailers, some of whom take orders from consumers, who request zero dosage, or other numbers. One store orders five cases a year at 0.3% (3 grams/litre), more stores order Brut Zero, a few order 0.5% (5 grams/litre). He does this for the basic NV wines as well as vintage. This fall he will release his 2008s. This is a grower with excellent press. Interested members can PM or e-mail me if interested.
I try not to do commercial posts, but this is a subject that a lot of people find of interest. I rarely drink Brut Zero (only for really good producers, and usually with a lot of age), but 0.5% is my sweet spot.
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Hi Mark,
I don’t know what is carried in Austin, but, for low dosage producers, be sure to check out:
Georges Laval
Benoit Marguet
Cedric Bouchard
Just to start. There are tons out there and a lot of small producers are using low to no dosage these days.
I don’t know what is carried in Austin, but, for low dosage producers, be sure to check out:
Georges Laval
Benoit Marguet
Cedric Bouchard
Just to start. There are tons out there and a lot of small producers are using low to no dosage these days.
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Perhaps Champagne Drappier (whom we import and represent for 20 years) is considered a leader of Zero Dosage Champagne,
as well as an approach to low dosage through-out their range.
The Brut Nature is the blanc and there is a Rosé version, obviously I am prejudice, however my experience is those who try it are as well.
as well as an approach to low dosage through-out their range.
The Brut Nature is the blanc and there is a Rosé version, obviously I am prejudice, however my experience is those who try it are as well.
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Re: No dosage champagne
You can find Roederer's Philippe Stark No Dosage at Specs and Goody Goody. Try it and see how you like it. Marie Courtin also makes a no dosage that you should try to find. No dosage is not typically my favorite, but Frank Murray III can probably provide some guidance on another bunch of good options.M. Taylor wrote: ↑June 8th, 2019, 3:19 pmWe spent a couple of days in Champagne recently. Tried a no dosage at Ployez Jacquemart and really liked it. It was the first we had tried.
We live in Austin, and apart from one producer at Total Wine I haven’t been able to find any no dosage champagne. Is it really that limited in the states?
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JJK, we're aligned on these wines it would seem, too.
For me, Marie-Courtin is making the best no dose stuff I have tasted. The 2014 Eloquence bottling is my current WOTY and I plan to try it 1-2 more times again before year end. Really profound stuff for me. I enjoy Marguet, which like Marie-Courtin, exhibits no signature for me of anything screechy or out of balance. The fruit and balance is superb. These are the producers I recommend. I have not drank enough Bouchard to comment, and have had some Laval, which I don't find to be anywhere as good.
For me, Marie-Courtin is making the best no dose stuff I have tasted. The 2014 Eloquence bottling is my current WOTY and I plan to try it 1-2 more times again before year end. Really profound stuff for me. I enjoy Marguet, which like Marie-Courtin, exhibits no signature for me of anything screechy or out of balance. The fruit and balance is superb. These are the producers I recommend. I have not drank enough Bouchard to comment, and have had some Laval, which I don't find to be anywhere as good.
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV
My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay
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2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV
My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay
Kindness matters.
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Bouchard Val Vilaine is my favorite no dosage.
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