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Re: The Bourbon Thread

#3301 Post by Gordon Fitz » March 26th, 2019, 6:26 pm

Suntory owns Four Roses and Jim Beam, but Jim Beam doesn’t own Four Roses! Each has their independent marketing and production personnel.

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#3302 Post by Clayton Wai-Poi » March 26th, 2019, 9:31 pm

To be transparent, I work for Beam Suntory.

Neither Beam Suntory, nor our parent company, Suntory, own Four Roses (I think you're confusing Suntory with Kirin in that instance).

We do own Jim Beam among many other brands.

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#3303 Post by Nick Gangas » March 29th, 2019, 9:48 am

Hey Clayton, didn't remember you worked for them. Looks like we will be increasing your presence.

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#3304 Post by Kris Patten » March 31st, 2019, 8:49 pm

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Hey Clayton, didn't remember you worked for them. Looks like we will be increasing your presence.
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#3305 Post by Kris Patten » April 3rd, 2019, 9:13 pm

Newest Bourbon coming is Weller Blue Label called Full Proof bottled @ 114 proof.

$50 from legit markups, curious to see what people ask for it.
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#3306 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 4th, 2019, 8:02 am

any idea about aging?

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#3307 Post by JC J o u a s » April 5th, 2019, 5:16 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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any idea about aging?
NAS and I haven’t seen or read anything that would give us any indication of its age statement. Btw, I would have much preferred to see this new release come out as a Barrell Proof William Larue Weller Jr that was in that 8-9 yr range similar to what they did with Stagg Jr but I suppose that I am wishing for too much, but I digress.

And in a similar vein, Four Roses is coming out with their 4th rose in a Small Batch Select offering bottled at 104 proof. Retail is expected to be a little above their single barrel pricing but who really knows what that will effectively translate to in this market.
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#3308 Post by Edward H. Earles » April 5th, 2019, 7:12 am

I tried a shot of Weller Antique 107 last night and found it quite to my liking. Of course, it's unobtainable here except by lottery, or through the "preferred customer secret handshake".

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#3309 Post by Kris Patten » April 7th, 2019, 8:41 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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any idea about aging?
I'll ask, but I'd guess it is 9 to 10 years, as it would likely sit under Weller 12 in age and over Weller 107 in proof but above its 7 year age.
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#3310 Post by JulianD » April 9th, 2019, 3:01 pm

So I see K&L has 14 year single barrel Knob creek (120 proof) for $49. Any reason not to take that vs fellow Beam offering (and same mashbill) Booker’s (which runs $10 more) ?
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Old Fitzgerald bib 9 year

#3311 Post by Alan Eden » April 26th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Wow

Fantastic bottle, great length with amazing mouthfeel and it goes on forever. Dry finish but still lasts minutes, this is one of the greatest bottles ive ever tasted. Its warm and comforting but never gets hot or alcoholic.

No idea how they made this but at the $100 or so a bottle it goes for i will buy every bottle i can get my hands on. I cant stress enough how great this is
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#3312 Post by Mike Maguire » April 29th, 2019, 3:15 pm

Just picked up a bottle of Legent, Fred Noe and Shinji Fukuyo colab, bourbon just out of curiosity.Will report back.


Ok here you go, for $40 I would buy again, If I were to guess it tastes like a high rye mash bill.It is hard to describe but a very nice pour, I think the blending was expertly done, smooth, full of flavor and just the hint of heat.

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#3313 Post by Michael Ferris » May 2nd, 2019, 4:19 pm

Ugh. Just had my first corked bottle of bourbon - Four Roses Small Batch. Trying the Saran Wrap trick to see if it helps. If you thought a corked wine was bad... [barf1.gif]

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#3314 Post by Mike Grammer » May 3rd, 2019, 9:01 am

Need to pop back in here to comment on some recent tries. The Orphan Barrel Rhetoric 25 year is excellent--equal amounts of spice, fruit and length, with an almost-creamy finish. Yuh-my. Also had an E.P. Taylor--a 64% ABV--that was sensational...I'll get the bottle specifics from Berto, who was kind enough to share and report back.
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#3315 Post by ATaylor » May 3rd, 2019, 2:51 pm

Have a look around Bay Area Costco's; they are blowing out 1.75 liter bottles of 1792 @ $29.97
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#3316 Post by Kris Patten » May 4th, 2019, 11:08 am

Michael Ferris wrote:
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Ugh. Just had my first corked bottle of bourbon - Four Roses Small Batch. Trying the Saran Wrap trick to see if it helps. If you thought a corked wine was bad... [barf1.gif]
Had a corked bottle of Grey Goose once....wish I'd kept it to show people what TCA really smells like.
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#3317 Post by Josh Grossman » May 7th, 2019, 9:53 pm

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I tried a shot of Weller Antique 107 last night and found it quite to my liking. Of course, it's unobtainable here except by lottery, or through the "preferred customer secret handshake".
I like the Special Reserve just a touch more the the Antique 107. Even when the 107 was watered down or on the rocks, it just was hotter. My go to for a long while has been Old Pogue.

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Anyone tried CoK

#3319 Post by Alan Eden » May 9th, 2019, 7:41 am

Cream of kentucky ?

Anyone opened one yet, sorry if i already asked this
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Re: Old Fitzgerald bib 9 year

#3320 Post by NickRut » May 9th, 2019, 10:12 am

Alan Eden wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 9:26 pm
Wow

Fantastic bottle, great length with amazing mouthfeel and it goes on forever. Dry finish but still lasts minutes, this is one of the greatest bottles ive ever tasted. Its warm and comforting but never gets hot or alcoholic.

No idea how they made this but at the $100 or so a bottle it goes for i will buy every bottle i can get my hands on. I cant stress enough how great this is

Cant seem to find for under $240. Any secret sources?
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#3321 Post by Alan Eden » May 9th, 2019, 10:19 am

Well i got two bottles from Binnys so far, they do have some but its not on the shelves
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Re: Old Fitzgerald bib 9 year

#3322 Post by Kris Patten » May 16th, 2019, 6:41 pm

NickRut wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:12 am
Alan Eden wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 9:26 pm
Wow

Fantastic bottle, great length with amazing mouthfeel and it goes on forever. Dry finish but still lasts minutes, this is one of the greatest bottles ive ever tasted. Its warm and comforting but never gets hot or alcoholic.

No idea how they made this but at the $100 or so a bottle it goes for i will buy every bottle i can get my hands on. I cant stress enough how great this is

Cant seem to find for under $240. Any secret sources?
$240?? For OFBIB, seriously. Come to WA and I can help you out. Ridiculous pricing.
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#3323 Post by Adam Noble » May 17th, 2019, 7:39 am

Kris Patten wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 6:41 pm
NickRut wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:12 am
Alan Eden wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 9:26 pm
Wow

Fantastic bottle, great length with amazing mouthfeel and it goes on forever. Dry finish but still lasts minutes, this is one of the greatest bottles ive ever tasted. Its warm and comforting but never gets hot or alcoholic.

No idea how they made this but at the $100 or so a bottle it goes for i will buy every bottle i can get my hands on. I cant stress enough how great this is

Cant seem to find for under $240. Any secret sources?
$240?? For OFBIB, seriously. Come to WA and I can help you out. Ridiculous pricing.
If I recall, I got a bottle of the 11 yr for around $150, so I can easily see the 9 (95 more. I got a bottle thanks to a board member elsewhere for not much less than that landed cost. And I haven't seen the 9 on any shelves here at any time.

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Re: Old Fitzgerald bib 9 year

#3324 Post by James Lyon » May 17th, 2019, 8:21 am

Adam Noble wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:39 am
Kris Patten wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 6:41 pm
NickRut wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:12 am



Cant seem to find for under $240. Any secret sources?
$240?? For OFBIB, seriously. Come to WA and I can help you out. Ridiculous pricing.
If I recall, I got a bottle of the 11 yr for around $150, so I can easily see the 9 (95 more. I got a bottle thanks to a board member elsewhere for not much less than that landed cost. And I haven't seen the 9 on any shelves here at any time.
A good friend of mine was offered the OFBIB 2019 Spring Release (13 yr?) for $130 this week through an honest North Carolina ABC store. The NC ABC system is beyond corrupt, but that's another story.

Kris, I have another friend who recently relocated to Bothel, WA. Any suggestions where my friend could find a bottle of the OFBIB? I'm headed to Oregon the last week of June, so I might be able to arrange a pickup through my friend.

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Re: Old Fitzgerald bib 9 year

#3325 Post by NickRut » May 17th, 2019, 5:09 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 6:41 pm
NickRut wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:12 am
Alan Eden wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 9:26 pm
Wow

Fantastic bottle, great length with amazing mouthfeel and it goes on forever. Dry finish but still lasts minutes, this is one of the greatest bottles ive ever tasted. Its warm and comforting but never gets hot or alcoholic.

No idea how they made this but at the $100 or so a bottle it goes for i will buy every bottle i can get my hands on. I cant stress enough how great this is

Cant seem to find for under $240. Any secret sources?
$240?? For OFBIB, seriously. Come to WA and I can help you out. Ridiculous pricing.
Ha yeah that’s all I’ve found online and around me in atl. Disappointing.
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#3326 Post by Adam Noble » May 18th, 2019, 8:54 am

Legent-any one heard of or tried it? It's a Bourbon collaboration between Fred Noe of Jim Beam and Shinji Fukuyo of Suntory. I picked one up and tried it last night. Not amazing, and it seemed like I could tell the influences of Bourbon and Japanese whisky on it. Not too hot, pretty well polished from the Sherry cask aging. Some caramel/butterscotch and nutty stuff going on. A nice though not amazing Bourbon and a cool story/origin. At the $35-40 is probably costs elsewhere it would be a solid buy. At the $50ish here it's still a good deal. Costco had a couple of cases.

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#3327 Post by NickRut » May 18th, 2019, 12:44 pm

What’s the thoughts on Blood Oath? Looks interesting but can’t find too many reviews
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#3328 Post by Mike Maguire » May 19th, 2019, 4:22 pm

Adam Noble wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:54 am
Legent-any one heard of or tried it? It's a Bourbon collaboration between Fred Noe of Jim Beam and Shinji Fukuyo of Suntory. I picked one up and tried it last night. Not amazing, and it seemed like I could tell the influences of Bourbon and Japanese whisky on it. Not too hot, pretty well polished from the Sherry cask aging. Some caramel/butterscotch and nutty stuff going on. A nice though not amazing Bourbon and a cool story/origin. At the $35-40 is probably costs elsewhere it would be a solid buy. At the $50ish here it's still a good deal. Costco had a couple of cases.
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#3329 Post by Adam Noble » May 19th, 2019, 8:01 pm

Ha-not sure how I missed that. I read this thread regularly after all. Looks like we agree.

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#3330 Post by Andrew Kotowski » May 25th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Josh Grossman wrote:
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I tried a shot of Weller Antique 107 last night and found it quite to my liking. Of course, it's unobtainable here except by lottery, or through the "preferred customer secret handshake".
I like the Special Reserve just a touch more the the Antique 107. Even when the 107 was watered down or on the rocks, it just was hotter. My go to for a long while has been Old Pogue.
Just found this on a back shelf at a supermarket here in Sammamish (WA). At $49.95, I almost did a cartwheel in the store.
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#3331 Post by Alan Eden » May 25th, 2019, 6:54 pm

Antique for $49.95 ? thats way over priced
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#3332 Post by Craig G » May 25th, 2019, 10:30 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
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Antique for $49.95 ? thats way over priced
Yes and no. It’s difficult to find it at all and secondary price is higher. The “correct” price is much lower but very hard to find at that price. K&L sells a small number of bottles for ~$27 every week or so, but you have to catch them exactly when they go on sale.

I have a store locally that sells it for $50. The previous price was $38 and I bought a bottle at that price. Before that I bought from them for $32. I’ve been holding out at $50 but I could see a time when it might make sense. I paid $40 for a Weller Special Reserve last month in Monterey just because I can’t find it anywhere and I wanted to try it.
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#3333 Post by Andrew Kotowski » May 26th, 2019, 3:33 am

@Alan - it’s relative; I enjoy it and given the 107, it makes a fantastic Manhattan. While there’s plenty of bourbon on the shelves here in WA, it generally isn’t going for K&L prices and stuff like Weller always seems to go straight from the back room to customers (or employees) at the bigger places. I’d defer to Kris on where to find the best deals, but I haven’t had much luck even finding the mediocre ones.
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#3334 Post by Adam Noble » May 26th, 2019, 6:10 am

Andrew is correct. With all due respect to Kris (who's a hell of a good guy), WA State just sucks for liquor purchases.

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#3335 Post by Mike Maguire » May 26th, 2019, 8:24 am

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Andrew is correct. With all due respect to Kris (who's a hell of a good guy), WA State just sucks for liquor purchases.
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#3336 Post by Alan Eden » May 27th, 2019, 9:08 pm

Rock Hill farms, any good ? LLS wants me to take one so im curious
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#3337 Post by Kris Patten » May 28th, 2019, 9:48 pm

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#3338 Post by Kris Patten » May 28th, 2019, 9:49 pm

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
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@Alan - it’s relative; I enjoy it and given the 107, it makes a fantastic Manhattan. While there’s plenty of bourbon on the shelves here in WA, it generally isn’t going for K&L prices and stuff like Weller always seems to go straight from the back room to customers (or employees) at the bigger places. I’d defer to Kris on where to find the best deals, but I haven’t had much luck even finding the mediocre ones.
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#3339 Post by Kris Patten » May 28th, 2019, 9:54 pm

Adam Noble wrote:
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Andrew is correct. With all due respect to Kris (who's a hell of a good guy), WA State just sucks for liquor purchases.
I didn't create the WA State tax structure, so no offence taken. It's odd that a bar is a relatively better deal than a retail location when it comes to WA.
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#3340 Post by james l moleberg » May 31st, 2019, 5:18 am

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Antique for $49.95 ? thats way over priced
if you think $49.95 is overpriced for OWA107, but are willing to spend $100+ on Old Fitz BiB 9 because of a gimmick decanter (because the contents inside taste like kerosene), i cant help but chuckle a little.

Even at $50, OWA107 is still one of the great values in a bourbon market that has lost its damn mind. OGD114, Evan Williams Single Barrel (especially several of the 2004 barrelings among recent releases), Very Old Barton BiB, Elijah Craig Barrel Proof, Wild Turkey 101, a good Russell's Reserve store pick like Lincoln Road or Poison Girl... give me multiples of any one of those over a BS marketing scheme like that Old Fitz decanter cat piss every day of the week.

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#3341 Post by Alan Eden » May 31st, 2019, 6:35 am

james l moleberg wrote:
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Antique for $49.95 ? thats way over priced
if you think $49.95 is overpriced for OWA107, but are willing to spend $100+ on Old Fitz BiB 9 because of a gimmick decanter (because the contents inside taste like kerosene), i cant help but chuckle a little.

Even at $50, OWA107 is still one of the great values in a bourbon market that has lost its damn mind. OGD114, Evan Williams Single Barrel (especially several of the 2004 barrelings among recent releases), Very Old Barton BiB, Elijah Craig Barrel Proof, Wild Turkey 101, a good Russell's Reserve store pick like Lincoln Road or Poison Girl... give me multiples of any one of those over a BS marketing scheme like that Old Fitz decanter cat piss every day of the week.
Have you actually tried the Old Fitz BiB ?
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#3342 Post by james l moleberg » May 31st, 2019, 8:12 am

Yes, the 9, 11 and 13. The 11 was simply god-awful. The 9 was not much better. The 13 was the best of the bunch, but that was not a high bar, and at the price point of $100-$180 / per, it is practically at orphan barrel levels of marketing hype / little substance.

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#3343 Post by Alan Eden » May 31st, 2019, 1:16 pm

Wow, the 9 year bottle i got was absolutely fantastic, one of the best bourbon's ive ever tasted. At least 6 other people also thought it was great. It was substantial with mouth filling flavour but zero heat, a work of art.

On the other hand i had the Cream of Kentucky which was similar in price and was total marketing driven piss water
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#3344 Post by james l moleberg » May 31st, 2019, 1:56 pm

Agree 100% on the Cream of Kentucky. Recently tried the Four Roses Small Batch Select and was very impressed with it for $55.

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#3345 Post by Alan Eden » May 31st, 2019, 8:31 pm

Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz
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#3346 Post by Dan Kimmelman » June 1st, 2019, 9:06 am

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Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz
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#3347 Post by NickRut » June 1st, 2019, 1:21 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
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Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz

Wow strong showing. What’d they charge for the old fitz?
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#3348 Post by Jorge Henriquez » June 1st, 2019, 1:41 pm

Taconic Distillery (NY) Straight Bourbon finishes in Cognac Casks is excellent and elegant. Not a bad deal at around $50. 90° proof
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#3349 Post by Adam Noble » June 1st, 2019, 1:42 pm

Just saw Willet Pot Still,Noah's Mill, and Rowan Creek at Costco on 4th Ave Seattle. Something like $65-75 or so each. Didn't get any myself-spent too much on alcohol lately.

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Re: The Bourbon Thread

#3350 Post by Alan Eden » June 1st, 2019, 1:44 pm

NickRut wrote:
June 1st, 2019, 1:21 pm
Alan Eden wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 8:31 pm
Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz

Wow strong showing. What’d they charge for the old fitz?
$150
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