Envoyer Thread #2: Everything else

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C Chen · #601 Post by **C Chen** » February 9th, 2019, 9:28 am

YLee wrote: ↑
February 9th, 2019, 6:36 am
I have 12 full cases so far not yet shipped due to weather. Whoever is delivering it to me will HATE me.

Damn! And that's 12 full cases from just one supplier.

YLee · #602 Post by **YLee** » February 9th, 2019, 9:39 am

C Chen wrote: ↑
February 9th, 2019, 9:28 am

YLee wrote: ↑
February 9th, 2019, 6:36 am
I have 12 full cases so far not yet shipped due to weather. Whoever is delivering it to me will HATE me.
Damn! And that's 12 full cases from just one supplier.

I know. I'm ashamed. No will power.

Troy Stark · #603 Post by **Troy Stark** » February 10th, 2019, 9:18 am

C Chen wrote: ↑
February 9th, 2019, 9:28 am
Damn! And that's 12 full cases from just one supplier.

I actually try to focus my buying with just a couple suppliers since I have limited amounts to spend and prefer to nurture one or two relationships rather than many.

Mattstolz · #604 Post by **Mattstolz** » February 10th, 2019, 9:48 am

holy Barolo offer. that '37 Conterno had to have gone to someone on this board. who was it?

KyleC · #605 Post by **KyleC** » February 10th, 2019, 10:54 am

The Climats and Lieux-dits of the Great Vineyards of Burgundy for only $99...that's the cheapest I've ever seen the English edition.

Brian G r a f s t r o m · #606 Post by **Brian G r a f s t r o m** » February 11th, 2019, 4:21 pm

No dice on the '82 Gruaud Larose. By the time I got around to replying I knew it would be a shot in the dark, but still ...

#607 Post by **Mark Thompson** » February 11th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Thanks guys. All I need is another list to tempt my wine buying Mr. Hyde.

Jeff P · #608 Post by **Jeff P** » February 11th, 2019, 9:55 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: ↑
February 11th, 2019, 4:21 pm
No dice on the '82 Gruaud Larose. By the time I got around to replying I knew it would be a shot in the dark, but still ...

Must've gotten lucky and snagged one. Pretty pleased. Heard great things

YLee · #609 Post by **YLee** » February 12th, 2019, 2:37 pm

Asked for Drouhin CSD. Hope to get 'em.

Dennis Atick · #610 Post by **Dennis Atick** » February 22nd, 2019, 1:45 pm

Nice Mugneret Gibourg cellar release today.
Too rich for my blood, sadly. Some gems.

C Chen · #611 Post by **C Chen** » February 22nd, 2019, 2:06 pm

Dennis Atick wrote: ↑
February 22nd, 2019, 1:45 pm
Nice Mugneret Gibourg cellar release today.
Too rich for my blood, sadly. Some gems.

Yeah, Gibourg is so good. Calling for YLee and Mich@el.

#612 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 22nd, 2019, 2:48 pm

I passed, nice offerings though.

#613 Post by **EricG** » February 22nd, 2019, 3:29 pm

Grabbed one of the 07 Vougeot. Have had it before - it’s drinking really well.

#614 Post by **RyanC** » February 22nd, 2019, 4:47 pm

Grabbed some of the ‘05 Chandon de Briailles Cortons

C Chen · #615 Post by **C Chen** » February 22nd, 2019, 5:06 pm

Long shot, but does anyone have thoughts on the 1959 Maury? Thinking of getting it for a bday gift.

Edit: They're out. GG to that.

YLee · #616 Post by **YLee** » February 22nd, 2019, 5:33 pm

C Chen wrote: ↑
February 22nd, 2019, 2:06 pm

Dennis Atick wrote: ↑
February 22nd, 2019, 1:45 pm
Nice Mugneret Gibourg cellar release today.
Too rich for my blood, sadly. Some gems.
Yeah, Gibourg is so good. Calling for YLee and Mich@el.

I was so tempted but I passed on this.

Brian G r a f s t r o m · #617 Post by **Brian G r a f s t r o m** » February 22nd, 2019, 7:16 pm

Any thoughts on the 2008 Beze? I am very tempted, and will probably go ahead and try to get one unless folks here tell me it's a terrible idea

YLee · #618 Post by **YLee** » February 23rd, 2019, 1:46 pm

Asked for
2008 Domaine Leflaive Chevalier Montrachet
2007 Domaine Leflaive Chevalier Montrachet
2016 Domaine Leflaive Marquis de Laguiche Montrachet
1996 Philipponat Clos des Goisse

#619 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 23rd, 2019, 1:48 pm

I asked for 1991 Lopez bosconia, but didn’t get any

#620 Post by **RyanC** » February 23rd, 2019, 3:05 pm

The prize of this offer was the ‘99 Leflaive BBM. Leflaive’s ‘99s are INSANE. Price was reasonable but too rich for me given my recent spending spree.

#621 Post by **Dale Bowers** » February 23rd, 2019, 3:23 pm

Okay, who got all the Sauzet's ? I only wanted 1 bottle.

YLee · #622 Post by **YLee** » February 24th, 2019, 6:53 am

Strange. I got an offer email from Envoyer at 2am EST.

Sebastian C. · #623 Post by **Sebastian C.** » February 24th, 2019, 7:01 am

YLee wrote: ↑
February 23rd, 2019, 1:46 pm
Asked for
2008 Domaine Leflaive Chevalier Montrachet
2007 Domaine Leflaive Chevalier Montrachet
2016 Domaine Leflaive Marquis de Laguiche Montrachet
1996 Philipponat Clos des Goisse

White Burgundy with no recourse for pre-mox......

#624 Post by **John Glas** » February 24th, 2019, 7:26 am

Strange. I got an offer email from Envoyer at 2am EST.

Rewarding those at all hours of the day!

YLee · #625 Post by **YLee** » February 26th, 2019, 12:21 pm

Asked for some Y. Clerget Santenots which I think is a great QPR

Robert M yers · #626 Post by **Robert M yers** » February 26th, 2019, 12:42 pm

Any idea where all these back vintages come from? Is there a bizarro wine berserkers forum in Europe that they buy from and then peddle over here?

Troy Stark · #627 Post by **Troy Stark** » February 26th, 2019, 4:07 pm

I would imagine most of those offers come from their current clients or referrals from current clients/suppliers.

#628 Post by **Travis Fantz** » February 26th, 2019, 4:39 pm

Michael
When he got the cellar, there was no 1991 Bosconia but it was Tondonia instead.

#629 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 27th, 2019, 4:04 am

YLee wrote: ↑
February 26th, 2019, 12:21 pm
Asked for some Y. Clerget Santenots which I think is a great QPR

If you like santenots, yes. It’s not my favorite vineyard. I’m not a big fan of angles either. I have some 15 Rossignol but I just find it less Volnay, which makes sense for Santenots because it isn’t in Volnay. i bought it because there were 375s, though. Probably should’ve bought more of those Pousse 15 Caillerets in 375.

I would say my holdings are chevrets = versueil = Caillerets > taillepieds > ducs/Clos de ducs > Chenes >>>> santenots, angles, mitans etc.

I include carnots, bousse and 60 ouvrees in Caillerets.

Imo the value in Clerget is versueil > carrelle.

YLee · #630 Post by **YLee** » February 27th, 2019, 4:09 am

I got a case of '12 Nicolas Rossignol Caillerets coming very soon if weather allows. Looking forward to trying one. Got it for $60/bottle.

#631 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 27th, 2019, 4:12 am

That’s a nice one; I think 12s are going to be shut down at this point but it should be good in 5 years.

Neal.Mollen · #632 Post by **Neal.Mollen** » February 27th, 2019, 6:07 am

Who bought the Magdelaine?

Eric S n y d e r · #633 Post by **Eric S n y d e r** » February 27th, 2019, 7:10 am

Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 6:07 am
Who bought the Magdelaine?

I didn’t see the email and reply until 90 minutes after it was sent. I was shut out, of course, but had to ask

Jeff P · #634 Post by **Jeff P** » February 27th, 2019, 7:53 am

Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 6:07 am
Who bought the Magdelaine?

I was 8 mins post e-mail and missed out

Neal.Mollen · #635 Post by **Neal.Mollen** » February 27th, 2019, 8:05 am

I deleted but the temptation was strong

AndyK · #636 Post by **AndyK** » February 27th, 2019, 8:21 am

Jeff P wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 7:53 am

Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 6:07 am
Who bought the Magdelaine?
I was 8 mins post e-mail and missed out

This system is getting a quite annoying... I was also 8 min "late" and missed out, just wanted a single bottle. Unless you monitor your email all day long and reply within seconds, the wine is gone.

julianseersmartin · #637 Post by **julianseersmartin** » February 27th, 2019, 8:22 am

AndyK wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:21 am
This system is getting a quite annoying... I was also 8 min "late" and missed out, just wanted a single bottle. Unless you monitor your email all day long and reply within seconds, the wine is gone.

Better than an allocation system based on previous purchases.

#638 Post by **Sh@n A** » February 27th, 2019, 8:27 am

I like the first served system. Less brain damage for them and presumably this helps keep pricing lower. They just through volume through the spigot.

#639 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 27th, 2019, 8:39 am

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:22 am

AndyK wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:21 am
This system is getting a quite annoying... I was also 8 min "late" and missed out, just wanted a single bottle. Unless you monitor your email all day long and reply within seconds, the wine is gone.
Better than an allocation system based on previous purchases.

Why would that be bad?

Neal.Mollen · #640 Post by **Neal.Mollen** » February 27th, 2019, 8:44 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:39 am

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:22 am

AndyK wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:21 am
This system is getting a quite annoying... I was also 8 min "late" and missed out, just wanted a single bottle. Unless you monitor your email all day long and reply within seconds, the wine is gone.
Better than an allocation system based on previous purchases.
Why would that be bad?

To paraphrase Churchill, the envoyer system is the worst except for all the others. True, it relies on luck, or fast fingers, or having a job that puts you in front of a screen all day, but the alternative is to rely on favoritism? Or some complicated formula involving past purchases (how far back? gross value or number of purchases? How much research would be required simply to decide which of 25 responders gets one of the 6 bottles they have?)

They are in CA and offers are made on a CA schedule; many come long after the east coast business day is done, while I am eating dinner or busy being married. It's ok; I either respond in time or I don't. It's objective and fair.

julianseersmartin · #641 Post by **julianseersmartin** » February 27th, 2019, 9:41 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:39 am

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:22 am

AndyK wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:21 am
This system is getting a quite annoying... I was also 8 min "late" and missed out, just wanted a single bottle. Unless you monitor your email all day long and reply within seconds, the wine is gone.
Better than an allocation system based on previous purchases.
Why would that be bad?

Because it favours whales - the people who can afford to buy things they don't necessarily want in order to enable access to things that they do. It's a virus in the wine trade and has played a significant part in price inflation and locking fine wine away from drinkers. Luck of the draw is by far the fairest way, despite the significant flaws.

Brian G r a f s t r o m · #642 Post by **Brian G r a f s t r o m** » February 27th, 2019, 9:50 am

Michael is a whale; he might not see things as you do, Julian.

FCFS frequently shuts me out of Envoyer offers, as it does everybody who has a life. But it is fair, and it's smart for Envoyer's business.

If regular-ol'-guppies like myself were only ever afforded opportunities to buy the Direct Imports and cheap wines offered by Envoyer then I bet Envoyer would lose a significant portion of their customer base.

YLee · #643 Post by **YLee** » February 27th, 2019, 10:07 am

Aksed for the Boillot Corton Charlemagne

#644 Post by **CJ Beazley** » February 27th, 2019, 10:21 am

Neal.Mollen wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 6:07 am
Who bought the Magdelaine?

Who bought the D. Laurent pommard?

JAKE H A N C O C K · #645 Post by **JAKE H A N C O C K** » February 27th, 2019, 10:26 am

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 9:41 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:39 am

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 8:22 am

Better than an allocation system based on previous purchases.
Why would that be bad?
Because it favours whales - the people who can afford to buy things they don't necessarily want in order to enable access to things that they do. It's a virus in the wine trade and has played a significant part in price inflation and locking fine wine away from drinkers. Luck of the draw is by far the fairest way, despite the significant flaws.

Are we sure that it is strictly first reply gets the wine and there is no favorable treatment of whales? I have my doubts.

ky1em!ttskus · #646 Post by **ky1em!ttskus** » February 27th, 2019, 10:29 am

Me too... about everything.

julianseersmartin · #647 Post by **julianseersmartin** » February 27th, 2019, 10:36 am

JAKE H A N C O C K wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 10:26 am
Are we sure that it is strictly first reply gets the wine and there is no favorable treatment of whales? I have my doubts.

I am very far from a "whale" and have never had any issues - my hit rate is about as I'd expect when taking into context the speed and reliability of email, and the quantity of other people that might be interested in what I want.

#648 Post by **Mich@el Ch@ng** » February 27th, 2019, 10:55 am

The boillot looked nice, not the biggest fan of 15 as a wb vintage though.

Brian G r a f s t r o m · #649 Post by **Brian G r a f s t r o m** » February 27th, 2019, 12:45 pm

julianseersmartin wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 10:36 am

JAKE H A N C O C K wrote: ↑
February 27th, 2019, 10:26 am
Are we sure that it is strictly first reply gets the wine and there is no favorable treatment of whales? I have my doubts.
I am very far from a "whale" and have never had any issues - my hit rate is about as I'd expect when taking into context the speed and reliability of email, and the quantity of other people that might be interested in what I want.

+1.

Technically, can we be sure about anything?

Jeff P · #650 Post by **Jeff P** » February 27th, 2019, 12:53 pm

I like the current system and am far from a whale. However, I am usually at my computer most days and when i'm not oh well, saves me money!