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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#151 Post by Joe S. » January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am

Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 3:13 pm
2014 Rhys Swan Terrace is lowest in my cellar too. Glad that Buek took 2 for the team and threw the red card, but now I’m super bummed. [cry.gif]
2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
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#152 Post by Jeff Vaughan » January 8th, 2019, 5:45 am

Mine is 2010 Domaine Roger Belland Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Morgeot Clos Pitois Rouge at 85.5. Three notes, two scores. A 78 with no note and a 93 with a note.

A great example of why it is more important to know the tasters abilities and preferences than to rely on CT scores.
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#153 Post by Brandon R » January 8th, 2019, 9:10 am

Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am
Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 3:13 pm
2014 Rhys Swan Terrace is lowest in my cellar too. Glad that Buek took 2 for the team and threw the red card, but now I’m super bummed. [cry.gif]
2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
I had to do a double-take on that one. I don't own any, but was surprised to see such a low CT score. It's funny in that Vinous gave it 94+ points.
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#154 Post by Steve Bird » January 8th, 2019, 4:04 pm

2014 Louis Jadot Pinot Noir Bourgogne Couvent des Jacobins - 84 points

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#155 Post by Marcus Dean » January 8th, 2019, 4:33 pm

2010 Domaine de Bellene NSG village VV , 86 points

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#156 Post by Joe S. » January 8th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Brandon R wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:10 am
Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am
Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 3:13 pm
2014 Rhys Swan Terrace is lowest in my cellar too. Glad that Buek took 2 for the team and threw the red card, but now I’m super bummed. [cry.gif]
2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
I had to do a double-take on that one. I don't own any, but was surprised to see such a low CT score. It's funny in that Vinous gave it 94+ points.
Three issues I find with CT scores:
1 - very few reviews can skew the average if one is poor
2 - fanboys of a winemaker can skew a wine to 99 pts when it is really a good 94-95.
3 - scoring a classic wine style very low when the producers recommend start drink window is still 6 yrs out.
The Mt Eden above only had 3 reviews, 2 visible, one an 84. It has a start drink window of 2024. (I know, windows are only estimates.)
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#157 Post by John Morris » January 8th, 2019, 5:50 pm

Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:48 pm
Brandon R wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:10 am
Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am


2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
I had to do a double-take on that one. I don't own any, but was surprised to see such a low CT score. It's funny in that Vinous gave it 94+ points.
Three issues I find with CT scores:
1 - very few reviews can skew the average if one is poor
2 - fanboys of a winemaker can skew a wine to 99 pts when it is really a good 94-95.
3 - scoring a classic wine style very low when the producers recommend start drink window is still 6 yrs out.
The Mt Eden above only had 3 reviews, 2 visible, one an 84. It has a start drink window of 2024. (I know, windows are only estimates.)
The Mt Eden needs some serious time. Not meant for drinking now.
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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#158 Post by Brian Pinci » January 9th, 2019, 6:05 pm

1982 Domaine de Chevalier 55 points
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#159 Post by Dale Williams » January 9th, 2019, 6:36 pm

Brian Pinci wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 6:05 pm
1982 Domaine de Chevalier 55 points
'82 DDC is a famous underachiever, but this is about CT average, which for '82 DDC is 88.9.
I'm a big fan of DDC in general, own quite a few vintages from 60s through 80s, but wouldn't buy the '82 except at a fire sale- it's variable, but the better bottles might warrant an 89 for me

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#160 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » January 9th, 2019, 6:47 pm

Josh Grossman wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 5:52 pm
2016 Château Thivin Côte de Brouilly Cuvée Godefroy
"GABROWNS DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 70 Points
Young, reminiscent of the marketing triumph that is DeBoeuf. If somebody offered it, we wouldn’t turn it down, but there seems no reason to go looking for it. Seems unlikely to age well."

I'm pretty sure it will age wonderfully though and the next review I'm sure will be fine.
Not sure this will help but my one unscored note on the 2015 previous vintage seems to say not bad (and mos def not 70 points!):
Perhaps the weakest of the 3 special cuvees, nonetheless solid and displaying all the positive 2015 vintage charateristics. Just without the oomph of the Zaccharie.
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#161 Post by Josh Grossman » January 9th, 2019, 7:27 pm

P@u1_M3nk3s wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 6:47 pm
Josh Grossman wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 5:52 pm
2016 Château Thivin Côte de Brouilly Cuvée Godefroy
"GABROWNS DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 70 Points
Young, reminiscent of the marketing triumph that is DeBoeuf. If somebody offered it, we wouldn’t turn it down, but there seems no reason to go looking for it. Seems unlikely to age well."

I'm pretty sure it will age wonderfully though and the next review I'm sure will be fine.
Not sure this will help but my one unscored note on the 2015 previous vintage seems to say not bad (and mos def not 70 points!):
Perhaps the weakest of the 3 special cuvees, nonetheless solid and displaying all the positive 2015 vintage charateristics. Just without the oomph of the Zaccharie.
Thanks and I wasn't too worried. Just like Coudert Fleurie Clos de la Roilette Cuvée Tardive, these were built to age. It just makes me a bit miffed that they thought they had to score it--but it's okay.

It is funny how much I use that site. I wonder how much wineries try to have someone inflate their own scores or commit espionage on their competition? Jeff Leve, if I open up a winery in Ohio, can I give you some money to rate all my wines at 95-96? I'm actually pretty confident that all of my lowest rated wines will be pretty good. Moving up from there I have:
  • 2012 Domaine des Rosiers Côte-Rôtie Cuvée Drevon
  • 2009 Gianatti Giorgio Valtellina Superiore - Grumello
  • 2015 Remy Nodin Crozes-Hermitage Le Mazel
  • 2004 Simon Bize Corton-Charlemagne Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
  • 1996 Jean Raphet et Fils Clos Vougeot Clos Vougeot Grand Cru
  • 2015 Zind-Humbrecht Riesling Roche Calcaire
Digressing, it is funny that I trust Cellartracker as much as any critic with maybe the exception of Steven Tanzer and John Livingstone-Learmonth. I wonder how much wineries try to manipulate CT scores? Hey, Jeff Leve, if I ever open a winery in Ohio, any price you want to give all my wines 95-96 scores, K? I do get angry when someone gives one of my wines in my cellar a low score. I think I'm going to go through GABROWNS cellar and rate his top wines at 63... [snort.gif]

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#162 Post by Andrew Dodd » January 10th, 2019, 9:53 am

  • NV Cappellano Barolo Chinato - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo Chinato (10/25/2015)
    HATED IT. Not fit for human consumption. Tastes like Quinine mixed with gin botanicals. I know you're supposed to stay open minded, but there is no excuse for this unmitigated sludge. One of the worst things I've ever consumed, once you drink it you're worried you've been poisoned....

    All joking aside, this is just clearly not my style.
    I'm sure if this is your thing, it is probably a respectable wine. (50 pts.)
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#163 Post by Dale Williams » January 10th, 2019, 10:46 am

Andrew Dodd wrote:
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All joking aside, this is just clearly not my style.
I'm sure if this is your thing, it is probably a respectable wine. (50 pts.)
You do realize this isn't wine?

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#164 Post by S. Rash » January 10th, 2019, 4:46 pm

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#165 Post by Sh@n A » January 10th, 2019, 5:23 pm

2010 Jadot Bourgogne 82.4

"A wine buddy claimed that this presented great value after finding it and trying at the shop he works for, so I took a couple bottles. Totally uninspiring, thin, simple and generic. Another's note on this describes using it to braise a meat dish. Good use for it."

Gets worse: I bought it off Winebid, had it on a list of wines NOT to bid on, put it on the wrong list and paid up to win it when I was quite tired on a Sunday night. And this bottle wasn't the only mistake.
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#166 Post by Jeff Stettner » January 10th, 2019, 5:32 pm

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#167 Post by Mike V e r h i l l e » January 10th, 2019, 9:49 pm

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#168 Post by Greg Giere » January 11th, 2019, 11:16 am

I'll play along- 2011 Château Grivière, CT 86.

This is a tasty little Cru Bourgeois that I picked up on closeout from my previous distribution job, $7.69/bottle. Bought the last two cases because it was drinking so well a couple of years ago, and still is (though I'm down to my last 5 bottles). Definitely a stronger showing than 86 points in my book.

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#169 Post by Mike Kuller » January 11th, 2019, 11:23 am

Michael Martin wrote:
May 31st, 2013, 5:48 pm
90 - 95% of my Cellartracker wines are over 90, but then today I took a flyer on a Four Vines Truant. Should of looked it up before buying. It comes in at an 80. New all time low. champagne.gif
That's a wine that is as drinkable now as it is likely to be so you could have bought one to try it first.

It's at Costco every now and then and varies year to year.
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#170 Post by Michael Martin » January 11th, 2019, 11:41 am

Mike Kuller wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 11:23 am
Michael Martin wrote:
May 31st, 2013, 5:48 pm
90 - 95% of my Cellartracker wines are over 90, but then today I took a flyer on a Four Vines Truant. Should of looked it up before buying. It comes in at an 80. New all time low. champagne.gif
That's a wine that is as drinkable now as it is likely to be so you could have bought one to try it first.

It's at Costco every now and then and varies year to year.
That’s what this 2013 posting was all about...one bottle. This resurrected thread is almost ancient.
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#171 Post by Rajiv Ayyangar » January 11th, 2019, 6:25 pm

Kirk.Grant wrote:
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A 375ml of 2007 Nicolas Potel Morey St. Denis...84 points.
Yeah that bottle was weird! My notes say it was super green and mushroomy.


I have several 50-pointers, but the worst was this one:
  • 2013 Silver Heights The Summit Ningxia - China (6/26/2017)
    MNB: Grab Bag (Home (Noe st)): This is the worst wine I've encountered in over 3,000 notes. It's the first wine I feel might actually be toxic to drink.

    Opaque ruby in the glass.
    The nose caused me to immediately gag - it's SO bad. Like rotten asparagus in a portable latrine, that happens to be on fire (so add the stench of burning plastic). One tasting companion said "vegetable farts." The most gruesomely awesome wine I've ever smelled.

    When I could bring myself to taste it, I picked up on some black fruit, and the vegetal aspect presented as pyrazines - think rotten bell peppers.

    Dry, full-bodied, medium plus tannins, medium plus acid, medium plus alcohol (yes - 14%), dark fruit. The texture of the tannins and midpalate seems somewhat developed - like this has seen a bit of oak elevage. The finish, unfortunately, is medium plus in length. Palate cleanser required.

    Based on the pyrazines and overall ripe structure, I'm guessing: Carmenere, Chile, 2015

    Actually: Silver Heights "the summit" 2013 - China.

    60% cab, 40% merlot
    60% new French Barrique

    This is so bad, it's actually fascinating. I don't recognize any classic faults here - it seems to be some combination of poorly developed pyrazines and a bacterial or brett component.

    I'm giving this 50 points because the scale doesn't go lower, but I'd give this 0 points if I could.

    Taste it for the experience, but definitely don't swallow. I can't guarantee it's safe to drink. (50 pts.)
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#172 Post by Brian Glas » January 11th, 2019, 8:14 pm

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2014 Schild Estate GMS Barossa Valley

50 points. Complete crap. Prune juice. Some person gave it 95 points though?

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#173 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » January 12th, 2019, 6:14 am

  • 2008 Hickinbotham Shiraz / Cabernet - Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, Clarendon (8/20/2014)
    Vile. Massive, jammy nose of overripe-to-the-point-of-rotting raspberry and blackberry, pepper and liquorice. Weird rotting vegetation notes. Palate is similar. Far too rich and jammy, with an off putting stewed fruit undercurrent. Couldn't get past a few sips. Dumped the rest. (60 pts.)
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#174 Post by Andrew Dodd » January 14th, 2019, 9:41 am

Dale Williams wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 10:46 am
Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 9:53 am
All joking aside, this is just clearly not my style.
I'm sure if this is your thing, it is probably a respectable wine. (50 pts.)
You do realize this isn't wine?
Apertif/aromatised wines are still technically wine. Vermouth is technically wine, not a spirit....

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#175 Post by Greg K » January 14th, 2019, 10:30 am

Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 9:41 am
Dale Williams wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 10:46 am
Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 9:53 am
All joking aside, this is just clearly not my style.
I'm sure if this is your thing, it is probably a respectable wine. (50 pts.)
You do realize this isn't wine?
Apertif/aromatised wines are still technically wine. Vermouth is technically wine, not a spirit....
Are you drinking Vermouth straight and assigning it points the same way you do wine?
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#176 Post by Paul Miller » January 14th, 2019, 10:54 am

A Macedonian Rose that I purchased at a wine dinner from the restaurant. Rated 84.

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#177 Post by PCLIN » January 14th, 2019, 11:52 am

Fascinating thread.

Love those tasting notes.
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#178 Post by Cris Whetstone » January 14th, 2019, 4:31 pm

Brandon R wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:10 am
Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am
Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 3:13 pm
2014 Rhys Swan Terrace is lowest in my cellar too. Glad that Buek took 2 for the team and threw the red card, but now I’m super bummed. [cry.gif]
2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
I had to do a double-take on that one. I don't own any, but was surprised to see such a low CT score. It's funny in that Vinous gave it 94+ points.
Yeah. Real shame Mt Eden came up short that year. If anyone needs to unload their holdings, just let me know. Pennies on the dollar. Maybe even dimes.

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#179 Post by Joe S. » January 15th, 2019, 3:57 am

Cris Whetstone wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 4:31 pm
Brandon R wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 9:10 am
Joe S. wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 5:12 am


2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace @84.5 is my lowest, too! Guess I should just pour it down the drain or give it to a guy on a street corner. [wow.gif]
2012 A. Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge @85 is next, followed by
2014 Mount Eden Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon @85.3.

The single note on the Ramonet states only this: "Very underrated red." yet he only gave it an 85. [swearing.gif]
I had to do a double-take on that one. I don't own any, but was surprised to see such a low CT score. It's funny in that Vinous gave it 94+ points.
Yeah. Real shame Mt Eden came up short that year. If anyone needs to unload their holdings, just let me know. Pennies on the dollar. Maybe even dimes.

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I see what you're doing there, Cris.... [wow.gif]
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#180 Post by Andrew Dodd » January 15th, 2019, 9:34 am

Greg K wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 10:30 am
Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 9:41 am
Dale Williams wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 10:46 am


You do realize this isn't wine?
Apertif/aromatised wines are still technically wine. Vermouth is technically wine, not a spirit....
Are you drinking Vermouth straight and assigning it points the same way you do wine?
No, I think based on my post I've established I'm not a fan of Vermouth either.
But, some people obviously drink it straight as an aperitif, which is the way this Barolo Chinato was served to me.

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#181 Post by Billbell » January 15th, 2019, 10:43 am

2015 Catherine et Pierre Breton Bourgueil Franc de Pied

7/31/2017 - MPSOCAL DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 77 Points
Not for me. Way too much tar on the nose and acetone on the palate. Waste of $30.

I'm definitely not too worried about this one...

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#182 Post by Vince T » January 15th, 2019, 12:41 pm

2001 Bouchard Pommard... 81 average, and I guess I'm responsible for score inflation, having given it an 82. :p
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#183 Post by Cris Whetstone » January 15th, 2019, 6:29 pm

Billbell wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 10:43 am
2015 Catherine et Pierre Breton Bourgueil Franc de Pied

7/31/2017 - MPSOCAL DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 77 Points
Not for me. Way too much tar on the nose and acetone on the palate. Waste of $30.

I'm definitely not too worried about this one...
Tar and acetone on a Bourgueil? Reading that users other notes might be entertaining.
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#184 Post by Greg K » January 15th, 2019, 9:35 pm

Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 9:34 am
Greg K wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 10:30 am
Andrew Dodd wrote:
January 14th, 2019, 9:41 am


Apertif/aromatised wines are still technically wine. Vermouth is technically wine, not a spirit....
Are you drinking Vermouth straight and assigning it points the same way you do wine?
No, I think based on my post I've established I'm not a fan of Vermouth either.
But, some people obviously drink it straight as an aperitif, which is the way this Barolo Chinato was served to me.
But they don’t rate it with the same parameters as wine, which is the point.
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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#185 Post by Billbell » January 16th, 2019, 11:10 am

Cris Whetstone wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 6:29 pm
Billbell wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 10:43 am
2015 Catherine et Pierre Breton Bourgueil Franc de Pied

7/31/2017 - MPSOCAL DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 77 Points
Not for me. Way too much tar on the nose and acetone on the palate. Waste of $30.

I'm definitely not too worried about this one...
Tar and acetone on a Bourgueil? Reading that users other notes might be entertaining.
Sounds like a damned good barolo though!

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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#186 Post by PCLIN » January 21st, 2019, 8:38 am

Just realized I still have one bottle of 2004 Mitolo Shiraz Savitar, someone I am a fan of on CT actually scored it 50 points. Ouch....
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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#187 Post by Gerry Morrisey » January 21st, 2019, 2:07 pm

Mine is 2014 Domaine Vocoret et Fils Chablis, 83.5. It's by no means a great wine but for $10 bottle it is a great weeknight sipper that has plenty of acidity to match well with shellfish and such.

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