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#51 Post by Mel Hill » November 28th, 2018, 9:07 pm

Fake accounts are not allowed or tolerated here! FAKE NEWS!

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#52 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 28th, 2018, 9:14 pm

From what we've discovered, it's not fake, folks - we check each registration, this one several times/ways
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#53 Post by PCLIN » November 28th, 2018, 11:16 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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From what we've discovered, it's not fake, folks - we check each registration, this one several times/ways
Oh my...this makes the dinner even more interesting. Too bad I am not in NY.
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#54 Post by Anthony Hall » November 29th, 2018, 12:07 am

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions and response. Preference is for a high end restaurant and happy to pay high corkage for the right attention. I may need a local sponsor berserker to help organise this - please PM to discuss.
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#55 Post by JasonHernandez » November 29th, 2018, 5:13 am

YLee wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
No, it's not fake. I prosecuted Rudy Kurniawan. Happy to prove that it's me if someone explains to me how I can include an attachment in a post.

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#56 Post by Kris Patten » November 29th, 2018, 5:44 am

JasonHernandez wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 5:13 am
YLee wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
No, it's not fake. I prosecuted Rudy Kurniawan. Happy to prove that it's me if someone explains to me how I can include an attachment in a post.

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#57 Post by YLee » November 29th, 2018, 5:59 am

JasonHernandez wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 5:13 am
YLee wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
No, it's not fake. I prosecuted Rudy Kurniawan. Happy to prove that it's me if someone explains to me how I can include an attachment in a post.

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#58 Post by YLee » November 29th, 2018, 6:14 am

Some of my suggestions:
1. Gabriel Kreuther
2. Daniel (60 E 65th St.)
3. Jean-Georges
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#59 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » November 29th, 2018, 6:22 am

YLee wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 6:14 am
Some of my suggestions:
1. Gabriel Kreuther
2. Daniel (60 E 65th St.)
3. Jean-Georges
You're going to need a serious connection to bring in a single bottle, never mind 20 bottles of wine to Daniel.

And a solid connection for the other two which both have bottle limits.
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#60 Post by YLee » November 29th, 2018, 6:22 am

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 6:22 am
YLee wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 6:14 am
Some of my suggestions:
1. Gabriel Kreuther
2. Daniel (60 E 65th St.)
3. Jean-Georges
You're going to need a not so minor connection to bring in a single bottle never mind 20 bottles of wine to Daniel.
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#61 Post by scamhi » November 29th, 2018, 6:36 am

I'm interested in joining you Anthony.
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#62 Post by ybarselah » November 29th, 2018, 7:24 am

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#63 Post by Michael Mahle » November 29th, 2018, 7:40 am

Jason is a really nice guy. I sat next to you/him at a Renegade Wine Dinner once.

That said, I'd like to attend the dinner as well. Anthony - I sent you an email too.

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I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
No, it's not fake. I prosecuted Rudy Kurniawan. Happy to prove that it's me if someone explains to me how I can include an attachment in a post.

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#64 Post by CliftonD » November 29th, 2018, 7:50 am

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I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
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#65 Post by YLee » November 29th, 2018, 7:53 am

CliftonD wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 7:50 am
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November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
But waited 2.5 years for the troll. What a long con.
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#66 Post by J a y H a c k » November 29th, 2018, 9:04 am

YLee wrote:
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I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
We should invite him anyway. :)
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#67 Post by JG Salazar » November 29th, 2018, 10:30 am

ybarselah wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 1:40 pm
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I’m interested in attending.

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#68 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 29th, 2018, 10:35 am

damn, I should look at the possibility to fly out for this, but only if it's during the week (daughter has a dance event on Saturday the 12th)
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#69 Post by Ian Dorin » November 29th, 2018, 11:08 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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damn, I should look at the possibility to fly out for this, but only if it's during the week (daughter has a dance event on Saturday the 12th)
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#70 Post by John Chapman » November 29th, 2018, 11:16 am

I'm in! I have nothing from Cellar II, but I do have some bottles from the post-incarceration Gaston auction of Rudy's remaining (supposedly heavily vetted) inventory.

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#71 Post by Dan Hammer » November 29th, 2018, 11:42 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 9:04 am
YLee wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
We should invite him anyway. :)
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#72 Post by Victor Hong » November 29th, 2018, 12:27 pm

I can bring all the $300 bottles of 1929 Bordeaux, jumbled loosely on the floor of Royal Wines (at plaza of Waterside Apartments, NYC), which I refused to buy in 1997.
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#73 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 29th, 2018, 2:18 pm

Ian Dorin wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 11:08 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 10:35 am
damn, I should look at the possibility to fly out for this, but only if it's during the week (daughter has a dance event on Saturday the 12th)
Plenty of places for you to land your helicopter too.
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#74 Post by Jayson Cohen » November 29th, 2018, 2:48 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 2:18 pm
Ian Dorin wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 11:08 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 10:35 am
damn, I should look at the possibility to fly out for this, but only if it's during the week (daughter has a dance event on Saturday the 12th)
Plenty of places for you to land your helicopter too.
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#75 Post by Gary Zimberg » November 29th, 2018, 4:03 pm

I agree with the Non Chinese options.. its ok for some dinners, but far from the atmosphere I like for enjoying great burgs. Racines has been doing great, always good food, and great wine service!
North End Grill is also good, not sure since Eric Left.
I think Pascaline is one of the best Somm's in NYC. OH, and I am interested too...

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#76 Post by Jay Miller » November 30th, 2018, 6:31 am

Gary Zimberg wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 4:03 pm
I agree with the Non Chinese options.. its ok for some dinners, but far from the atmosphere I like for enjoying great burgs. Racines has been doing great, always good food, and great wine service!
North End Grill is also good, not sure since Eric Left.
I think Pascaline is one of the best Somm's in NYC. OH, and I am interested too...

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#77 Post by Ian Dorin » November 30th, 2018, 11:30 am

Jay Miller wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:31 am
Gary Zimberg wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 4:03 pm
I agree with the Non Chinese options.. its ok for some dinners, but far from the atmosphere I like for enjoying great burgs. Racines has been doing great, always good food, and great wine service!
North End Grill is also good, not sure since Eric Left.
I think Pascaline is one of the best Somm's in NYC. OH, and I am interested too...

Gary
North End Grill is closing at the end of the year and I had a terrible meal there on Thanksgiving.
Such a shame too, it used to be a really well kept secret. Apparently their rent got jacked up, but I heard they are opening something new?
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#78 Post by Jay Miller » November 30th, 2018, 11:51 am

Ian Dorin wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 11:30 am
Jay Miller wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:31 am
Gary Zimberg wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 4:03 pm
I agree with the Non Chinese options.. its ok for some dinners, but far from the atmosphere I like for enjoying great burgs. Racines has been doing great, always good food, and great wine service!
North End Grill is also good, not sure since Eric Left.
I think Pascaline is one of the best Somm's in NYC. OH, and I am interested too...

Gary
North End Grill is closing at the end of the year and I had a terrible meal there on Thanksgiving.
Such a shame too, it used to be a really well kept secret. Apparently their rent got jacked up, but I heard they are opening something new?
I loved that place. I'd been going ever since they opened and remember the weird but delicious egg based section of the menu by Floyd Cardoz. For a long time they also had a great bartender/mixologist though that fell off some years ago (no idea of the staff changed or they just stopped paying as much attention). Best Sazerac I ever had.
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#79 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » November 30th, 2018, 5:23 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 5:44 am
JasonHernandez wrote:
November 29th, 2018, 5:13 am
YLee wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm
I'm thinking someone created the Jason Hernandez account to be funny.
No, it's not fake. I prosecuted Rudy Kurniawan. Happy to prove that it's me if someone explains to me how I can include an attachment in a post.

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#80 Post by Dan Kravitz » November 30th, 2018, 6:08 pm

Hands down the most entertaining thread of the year.

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#81 Post by Dan Kravitz » November 30th, 2018, 6:11 pm

BTW, I disagree with those who do not think a Chinese restaurant is suitable. To me, Pinot Noir and Peking Duck (easy on the hoisin) is one of the very greatest wine and food matches, and there are a vast array of other Chinese cuisines and dishes that can work with almost any wine. I am a wine and food match contrarian and please just give me a dense dry Alsace Riesling with my Hot & Sour soup.

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#82 Post by YLee » November 30th, 2018, 8:32 pm

It's not about just the food the OP is interested in. He wants high end luxurious restaurant with atmosphere & service to match. Also, lets face it. Majority of the nonasians that eat "chinese food" arent eating real chinese food.
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#83 Post by James Billy » December 1st, 2018, 2:06 am

jcoley3 wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 7:21 pm
ybarselah wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 1:40 pm
JasonHernandez wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 9:21 am
I’m interested in attending.

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#84 Post by Jay Miller » December 1st, 2018, 4:26 am

Dan Kravitz wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 6:11 pm
BTW, I disagree with those who do not think a Chinese restaurant is suitable. To me, Pinot Noir and Peking Duck (easy on the hoisin) is one of the very greatest wine and food matches, and there are a vast array of other Chinese cuisines and dishes that can work with almost any wine. I am a wine and food match contrarian and please just give me a dense dry Alsace Riesling with my Hot & Sour soup.

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#85 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 1st, 2018, 5:56 am

I think on certain levels Chinese food is extremely well-suited for wine pairings. There tends to be numerous courses that could pair with a great variety of wines. Many places may not be logistically set up for a large, wine-focused dinner, however.

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#86 Post by Dan Kravitz » December 1st, 2018, 4:41 pm

I don't know NY restaurants well at all, but there has to be a choice of Chinese restaurants in the city that can pull this off right.

Of course I'm not suggesting the local Greasy Chopstick joint any more than the local Oily Pizza joint.

About 15 years ago I organized a wine dinner at Shun Lee Palace. I don't know if it's even still there. Great food? No. Really good food? Yes. Excellent food and wine service? Yes. Elegant setting? Not really. Elegant enough? Yes. And I'm sure that by now there are plenty of places that easily surpass it.

Just sorry I won't be in NY at that time, because this should be a fun event, just as this has been a wonderful thread.

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#87 Post by Sh@n A » December 1st, 2018, 4:50 pm

I used to go to Shun Lee quite often, but would (hope) there is a better place in Manhattan for the wines in question
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#88 Post by WvanGorp » December 1st, 2018, 4:52 pm

Vaucluse is the winner on this list. None of the others even come close imho.

Sounds like a fun evening!
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#89 Post by WvanGorp » December 2nd, 2018, 4:28 pm

Someone above mentioned Gabriel Kreuther. They have a private room and I’m sure you could work something out with them.

Hi Jason—we sat next to each other at a wine dinner in the Village a few years ago.

I’d be interested in attending.
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#90 Post by Ken V » December 2nd, 2018, 5:16 pm

I think Ai Fiori is a good choice for this. I worked with them on a BYO lunch with Gaia Gaja and it was terrific in every way. We've also had some BYO dinners there that were excellent.

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#91 Post by Anthony Hall » January 9th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Thanks to everyone for all of the advice and for the expressions of interest in trying some of the wines. Both the advice and interest was overwhelming and it soon became impossible to coordinate from afar but at least two interesting dinners have been organised. Perhaps with more planning I can do this better next year.

We prepared for our week in New York with a dash down to Tampa to visit a legendary and eccentric Steakhouse the night before. Our best steak ever (a Chateaubriand) said Kay and a 1928 Ch Mouton d'Armailhac and 1959 Thorin Grand Echezeaux in great condition made for a perfect evening. Sommelier Brad did a great job of triaging the best two bottles from my selection list and managed to excavate the corks with his Australian code 38 corkscrew which would have been simpler with a durand but less of a show.

On arrival to NY we took the threads advice and dined at Batard where we had a nice meal with our 1988 Meo Camuzet Cros Parantoux. Batard seemed appreciative of berserker support and happy to deal with BYO even though they have an excellent list. I have had this wine once before and both were stellar examples with the spice of Vosne mixed in with the dark iron fist that is Cros Parantoux. Definitely legitimate so batting 1/1 so far with some possible dubious Rudy bottles to come.

Tonight is a big night with some Board members at Marea. Wines have been shipped in advance and rested for a few days. I am excited that the chef has agreed to cook some Greenlip Abalone from my farm (Yumbah Aquaculture) which we have shipped in for the occasion. Hoping all goes well and when time permits I will update.

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#92 Post by Jeremy Holmes » January 9th, 2019, 5:17 pm

Nice start Anthony. Hope all goes well tonight. We will miss you down in Tassie this weekend. Hopefully Greg has arranged some of those Greenlip Abalone for us!
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#93 Post by paul hanna » January 9th, 2019, 7:10 pm

Hi Anthony,

Enjoy mate - hope the wines are all genuine (but bet they aren't)!

Happy New Year to you both, and as Jeremy said, we will miss you guys this weekend!

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#94 Post by Anthony Hall » January 9th, 2019, 10:17 pm

Hi Paul,

Batting average still great. Dom 59 standard and Oenotheque and two 80 DRC's all stellar and genuine. Have a great time in Tasmania.
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#95 Post by paul hanna » January 9th, 2019, 11:59 pm

Great news Anthony,

Hope they all show so well!

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#96 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » January 10th, 2019, 4:05 am

Was there any evidence that he faked champagnes? I never read anything about it.

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#97 Post by paul hanna » January 11th, 2019, 10:03 pm

No updates yet??

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Re: Drinking Rudi's treasures in NYC

#98 Post by Anton D » January 11th, 2019, 11:10 pm

This thread makes me think that Rudy may yet have a future in the selling of rare wines on the secondary market.
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Re: Drinking Rudi's treasures in NYC

#99 Post by Anthony Hall » January 13th, 2019, 8:57 am

Leaving New York with some new friends and great memories of wine and food. A stellar dinner at Marea with our first exposure to the brilliance of NY/Italian crudo and flooded with legendary wines from some extremely generous berserker new friends and dinner for Kay and I at 11MP where we enjoyed the modern version of silver service with two dishes constructed at the table.

Our last organised meal was with two Rudy bookends - Doug Barzelay who tipped off Ponsot and Jason Hernandez who prosecuted him (and yes Jason is real!). My birthyear is 1955 and that formed a theme for the dinner which was held at the Modern whose food was delicious and interesting and made this one of our favourite meals of the trip. After an older Ravenau with the appetiser a 1955 Ch. Pavie (R=from Rudy auction) was enjoyed as genuine and delicious. The next wine, allegedly 1955 Roumier Bonnes Mares (R) looked like a duck, swam like a duck and tasted like a duck. A fresh label and foil/capsule that was loose and looked hand crimped had me pulled over by the wine cops with a fake licence. One taste of what was a delightfully fruity warm vintage village level led me to call for the next wine. In fact the next 2 wines were 1955 Musigny courtesy of the guests and only further confirmed how bad the fake was with the tart underipe character of the vintage emphasised by the real wines. A 1991 La Tache (R) seduced me with its spice/soy/hoisin allure but the Rudy ghost spooked Doug who took some time to believe it real. This was most likely ok and a very good wine with bottle and label looking ok but Doug a little concerned with the cork branding. Would R have spent the time to fake this with a Malconsort or La Grand Rue ? Jason planned to look up some of the label data and get back to me which will be interesting. Finished with a 1927 Climen (R) in an old glass bottle which looked and tasted genuine.

Last night we said goodnight to NY with a 1959 Bouchard Aine RSVC (R) which was absolutely genuine with a difficult to fake and beautiful label with thin ribbon strips leading to the capsule which was old and crusted on. Being someone else's birth year this is a vintage we know well.

Now in hindsight you would never buy a wine like the Roumier without deep inspection - but I did so in more innocent days. Lucky my interests were more in "off" years, very old wines and curios whose return for the fakers effort would have been less than some more famous trophy wines. Perhaps this is why the batting record is reasonable with most ok. But the fakes hurt.

Thanks to people like Doug and Jason as without them Rudy would still be flooding the market with fakes.

Thanks to our new friends in NY and apologies to those who reached out with interest and we were unable to connect. Unfortunately we only had time for a few dinners but look forward to returning at some time.

Now off to France !

Cheers Anthony.
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Re: Drinking Rudi's treasures in NYC

#100 Post by Anthony Hall » January 13th, 2019, 9:17 am

One last comment. It was extremely useful to have known good wines of same maker / vintage to compare with the R wines. For example we had non R and R DRC from the same vintage at Marea and same vintage wines at the Modern dinner.
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