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#1 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 28th, 2018, 4:37 am

I generally run a bit of a blog on the board each year we are in Burgundy and must apologise for not doing so this year. We have been so bloody busy. Having just completed two fabulous weeks along the Cote, I’ll start putting up some notes in this thread as I get them in order.

We stayed at our usual digs in Meursault and I cannot recommend Chez Hall enough. Fellow board member, Anthony Hall has a brilliant property here. Check it out at http://www.burgundyman.com

Another fellow board member, Paul Hanna, was on his first trip to the region, despite consuming a ridiculous amount of the regions finest over the years. I think he has an unrealistic view of what sort of visits one gets in Burgundy. Our first 6 visits happened to be Rousseau, Comte de Vogüé, Comte Liger-Belair, Blain-Gagnard, Dujac and Roulot.

We commenced with Rousseau. It is not a bad thing to drink Rousseau Chambertin at 9am in the morning. Well, it might be bad but it sure tastes good. We had a concise and thoroughly enjoyable visit with Cyrielle Rousseau to kick off an epic fortnight in Burgundy. Cyrielle is a good way to start the day. The ‘17’s were being racked and only two wines were available for tasting.

2017 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Chambertin, Grand Cru: Good generosity of sweet berry and red currant fruits. It has nice build, is very pretty and oozes minerality. Excellent potential here.

2017 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Chambertin-Clos de Bèze, Grand Cru: Fruits vacillate between red and black. It is deep, meaty and spicy with a suggestion of moss. The finish is crisp and energetic and tastes of pomegranate.
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#2 Post by Jim Anderson » April 28th, 2018, 5:25 am

Cyrielle worked harvest here in Oregon in 2011. Had the good fortune to dine and party with her on a few occasions. She is a wonderful and amazingly level headed person.
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#3 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 29th, 2018, 3:09 am

François Millet has a poetic way of describing his wines, but if you listen closely enough he talks a lot of sense. He is a deep thinker and his wines are incredibly pure and transparent. We had a wonderful visit with him and tasted through all of the ‘17’s. Most of these were pre-malo but you can still get an excellent read on the wines. He explained the 2016 was the lowest yielding vintage during his tenure, even lower than 1991. He also told us it was important to green harvest in 2017, as it was a big crop. He also said that a few makers tended to saignée in ’17, he did no saignée. He used the analogy that ‘if you do something bad to your body in your youth, you’ll pay the invoice later’, There won’t be ‘invoice paying’ down the track so far as his ‘17’s are concerned. They are stunning.

2017 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Chambolle-Musigny: Pomegranate and cherry fruits are so direct and pure. This is fine and exquisitely balanced.

2017 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru: François describes Chambolle as having natural seduction and elegance. Case in point here with this wine. The malo is just finishing and it has an expressive nose of purple and red fruits and violets. It is full and sweet, with great balance and loads of mineral. One is left with the scent of red rose in the glass once the wine has been swallowed.

2017 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Amoureuses: This hadn’t started malo but is such a beautiful wine of finesse, delicacy and structure. It has a pure and perfumed nose of rose petals, red fruits and mineral. It is direct with a high tensile spine and possesses perfect proportion and balance.

As we moved in front of the Bonnes Mares barrels, an interesting topic of conversation ensued. We generally consider Bonnes Mares as part of Chambolle, which it is, but François believes that it has more in common with say Chambertin of Clos de Tart, because of its deep fruit profile and muscle. This is particularly so with the Bonnes Mares here off the red clay.

2017 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Bonnes Mares, Grand Cru: This is meaty and darker than any of the other ‘17’s. It has a heart of black cherry and good volume in the mouth. It is rich, sweet and long and flexes its sinewy muscle at the end.

2017 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Musigny Cuvée Vieilles Vignes, Grand Cru: Glistens like a ruby jewel. It has fresh, juicy red and black fruits. It is perfumed, has a delicate floral spice and fabulous intensity. It builds through the palate, fanning out on the finish and possesses considerable drive and authority. A wonderful wine in the making.
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#4 Post by alan weinberg » April 29th, 2018, 9:22 am

good to hear you survived your 2 week sojourn. Look forward to reading your missives.

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#5 Post by paul hanna » April 29th, 2018, 8:14 pm

'17 Rousseau Chambertin from barrel certainly was a fair way to start off my first visit to Burgundy!

Fabulous wine, bright, energetic, pretty and light yet complex - and the Beze was very good too, full of spicy goodness!

The '17's we had sure looked good (and in both colours), but there were though enough cautious warnings from many others as to the overall quality of the vintage - but I will leave that tale for you to tell in time mate!

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#6 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 1st, 2018, 4:13 am

Word on the rue, was that Le Soufflot was the hottest new place in Burgundy. A restaurant that marks up Village wines 20 euros from cost and Grand Cru 50 euros deserves some attention, even if the food is not great. The food is excellent and there’s a real energy emanating from the kitchen. There’s no vintage depth on the wine list but there are a couple of hundred selections that you want to drink and pricing is excellent. There is one page of the trophy things, and you can buy one bottle only for the table. A very fair way of preserving the list without stupidly listing things and having them unavailable.

To commence, a bottle of 2014 Coche-Dury Bourgogne-Aligoté seasoned the palate. It is all preserved lemon, chalk, white peach and spice. It is direct, linear and persistent. As we were heading to Roulot after lunch for a visit, all ten at the table had the short, four course luncheon menu. It kicked off with a bowl of chopped champignons de Paris, with a runny egg and intensive mushroom emulsion. It was artistically presented and whilst good with young white, would have been superb with an aged white Burg. Our second bottle of white was a cracker. The 2014 Bernard Boisson-Vadot Meursault Les Chevalières has some smoky, mineral reduction. It is intense, with citrus fruits a plenty. The palate is dense and sappy and it finishes with chalky dry extract. It was superb with the second food offering. Cured maceral with celery and horseradish. The dish has a slight oiliness from the fish and the wine provided cut and counterpoint.

An excellent main course of braised chicken thigh, under a creamy mash was served with a ball of fired chicken meat on a BBQ sauce made from beetroot. Sounds weird, tasted divine. It went beautifully with a bottle of 2014 Domaine Mugneret-Gibourg Echezeaux, Grand Cru. As with so many ’14 reds, it is ready to play right now. There’s a highly perfumed nose of red currant, plum, black cherry and dried flowers. It is full, creamy and rich. The palate has good depth and a light airy feel against the gums. It has sweet tannins, a kiss on minerally acidity and great length. Just because the Mugneret disappeared so quickly, we ordered a 2014 Domaine Robert Groffier Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Amoureuses. It had an engaging nose of flora and red fruits. In the mouth it was creamy and voluminous but has superb detail. The finish was somewhat akin to sucking on a cherry stone and this cool wine has such lovely poise and persistence.

Dessert was an amalgam of dark and milk chocolate mousse, with some chocolate biscuit and nuts. We had just enough time to punch one bottle more in before meandering down the road to see Jean-Marc Roulot and thought a PYCM would be appropriate. The 2015 Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Garennes has a clean and pure nose of white peach and honeysuckle. There’s excellent shape in the mouth and a fruit-sweet heart. Buried deep in the flesh is some chalky structure and it kind of has build like red wine, in a very good way.

A half decent coffee and the making of two future bookings over the next week concluded our meal. The fact that Meursault, our home town in Burgundy, has this gem now is going to be very dangerous for us.
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#7 Post by J Henson » May 1st, 2018, 5:47 am

Jeremy,

Thank you for chronicling your visit as we are preparing for our first visit in July. Regarding, Le Soufflot, is that in Irancy?

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#8 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 1st, 2018, 5:49 am

J,

They have a restaurant in Irancy too, but this is their new digs in Meursault (the old Chez Richard site).

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#9 Post by J Henson » May 1st, 2018, 5:59 am

Perfect. Many thanks for the prompt reply. We will be staying in Beaune for the first week of July. Are there a couple of other places you would recommend to eat? Any activities other than wine tasting (heresy, I know) that you recommend? I will be happy to reciprocate if you ever venture to our favorite stomping grounds in the Langhe where we will be in June.

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#10 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 1st, 2018, 6:19 am

Hi Jeff,

Plenty of good places to eat in and around Beaune. Try Ma Cuisine, Les Tontons, Caves Madeleine, La Superb or Bissoh. Le Bout du Monde is a good wine bar.

I know of no other activities in Burgundy other than eating and drinking. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

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#11 Post by c fu » May 1st, 2018, 8:17 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:Hi Jeff,

Plenty of good places to eat in and around Beaune. Try Ma Cuisine, Les Tontons, Caves Madeleine, La Superb or Bissoh. Le Bout du Monde is a good wine bar.

I know of no other activities in Burgundy other than eating and drinking. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

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#12 Post by Alan Rath » May 1st, 2018, 8:33 am

So which one of those was the "trophy"? At least two qualify in my book [cheers.gif]
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#13 Post by kristofstevens » May 1st, 2018, 11:10 am

Jeremy, if I had known you were around! We were at le soufflot last week on monday. Their pricing policy is certainly welcome as I think many places in Burgundy have gotten vastly expensive for wines in the last 2 years.

From the 2017's you've tasted, how would you describe the vintage in red and white? For red most vignerons compared to 2007 but I must admit I didn't tast 2007 at this early stage so this is difficult for me to judge. I can say that the sappy fruit will make probably wines that will drink much easier than iether 15 or 16. For white we tasted much less, the wines were ripe like 15 but with more balance and acidity.

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#14 Post by paul hanna » May 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

c fu wrote:
Jeremy Holmes wrote:Hi Jeff,

Plenty of good places to eat in and around Beaune. Try Ma Cuisine, Les Tontons, Caves Madeleine, La Superb or Bissoh. Le Bout du Monde is a good wine bar.

I know of no other activities in Burgundy other than eating and drinking. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

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#15 Post by Monte Mast » May 1st, 2018, 6:36 pm

Definitely try to get a table at La Lune. Only 20 seats and you will need to reserve early to get a seat where you can watch the chef. One of the best meals I have had period.

Les Popiettes was a nice bistro.
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#16 Post by William Kelley » May 1st, 2018, 6:56 pm

kristofstevens wrote: From the 2017's you've tasted, how would you describe the vintage in red and white? For red most vignerons compared to 2007 but I must admit I didn't tast 2007 at this early stage so this is difficult for me to judge. I can say that the sappy fruit will make probably wines that will drink much easier than iether 15 or 16. For white we tasted much less, the wines were ripe like 15 but with more balance and acidity.
Not Jeremy, but, for the reds: 2000.

Harder to say for the whites.
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#17 Post by Kaushik B » May 1st, 2018, 7:10 pm

I am digressing from the subject of the thread - but biking is big. If you go a bit further up north, Dijon is a really neat town. Very walkable, friendly people, and interesting history. The square around the ducal palace in the evening is magical. In a somewhat different direction - the basilica in Vezelay looks very interesting. It was in my list of places to go to ..but we never made it up there ...

On a different note - thank you very much Jeremy for your very evocative posts. Very much enjoying this.

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#18 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 1st, 2018, 7:30 pm

The Mugneret-Gibourg was off the trophy page Alan. A subsequent visit yielded a 2014 Dauvissat Le Clos off the trophy page at the princely sum of 70 euros.

Must have just missed you Kristof. William's call of '00 for the reds is a good one. I think they are a lot better than '07. 2017 was a big crop and many growers did green harvest. What we tasted lacked no intensity, yet it is an easygoing, charming vintage in both colours. The whites are harder to peg. Perhaps similar to 2012 but with fresher acidity?

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#19 Post by paul hanna » May 1st, 2018, 9:14 pm

The sort of descriptions we heard everywhere about the 2017's was "airy, light, transparent, pure..."

2000 came to mind for the reds for sure, maybe with a bit more sweetness and precision, a slightly better, more focused version of 2000.

The wines certainly seemed that, lovely, pretty balanced wines - although our tasting sample was from makers right at the very top.

There was also a lot of caution from almost everyone that whilst there will be some great wines from '17, not everyone made good wines....still very early days though.

Good news was that '17 was finally a large harvest, and those in particular that green harvested and took care potentially made some good wines in good quantities.

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#20 Post by Andrew Hamilton » May 2nd, 2018, 12:08 am

paul hanna wrote:
c fu wrote:
Jeremy Holmes wrote:Hi Jeff,

Plenty of good places to eat in and around Beaune. Try Ma Cuisine, Les Tontons, Caves Madeleine, La Superb or Bissoh. Le Bout du Monde is a good wine bar.

I know of no other activities in Burgundy other than eating and drinking. Perhaps someone else can chime in?

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Cycling seems to be the new thing, especially thorough the vineyard roads.....the locals hate it.
Next time I'm there I plan to check out the aviation museum in Savigny-Lès-Beaune.

http://www.targeta.co.uk/savigny_les_beaune.htm

The same museum also has a collection of ~300 motorbikes manufactured between 1902 and 1960.
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#21 Post by alan weinberg » May 2nd, 2018, 7:41 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:The Mugneret-Gibourg was off the trophy page Alan. A subsequent visit yielded a 2014 Dauvissat Le Clos off the trophy page at the princely sum of 70 euros.

Must have just missed you Kristof. William's call of '00 for the reds is a good one. I think they are a lot better than '07. 2017 was a big crop and many growers did green harvest. What we tasted lacked no intensity, yet it is an easygoing, charming vintage in both colours. The whites are harder to peg. Perhaps similar to 2012 but with fresher acidity?

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#22 Post by Khiem Le » May 3rd, 2018, 4:03 pm

Jeremy,

Have you tried "Le Grill de Nuits-Saint-Georges"?
Excellent (roasted) meat (but limited wine list).
It's run by the former chef of L'Auberge du Coteau.

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#23 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 4th, 2018, 5:32 pm

That method of dining was discussed Alan.

Haven't been Khiem. I will put it on the list for next year.
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#24 Post by Jonathan Favre » May 4th, 2018, 5:52 pm

Love reading your notes and trip notes Jeremy - keep 'em coming!!! :)

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#25 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 4th, 2018, 7:11 pm

Thanks Jonathan.
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#26 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 4th, 2018, 7:15 pm

Louis-Michel Liger-Belair is a thoroughly engaging fellow, who just happens to make some of the greatest wines on the planet. It is always fun to taste with him and this year particularly so. There was a contingent from America and our group of Aussies, making for a kind of mini United Nations of wine. One of the ‘Septic Tanks’ was quite loud and funny, although I don’t think he was trying to be funny. He was asking Louis-Michel about a ‘bladder press’. Louis-Michel asked what that was. I was trying to be funny and said ‘its what happens when you need to take a petite pee pee’. The Aussies laughed, Americans didn’t laugh, and I don’t think Louis-Michel heard me.

We kicked off the tasting with a very fine white.

2014 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Grandes Vignes: Has delicious white peach fruit. There’s a lemon sherbet quality to the wine and it has excellent shape and length.

We then moved through a selection of outstanding 2016 reds. Louis-Michel recounted a quote that Henri Jayer once told him, ‘there is no sun in the cellar’. Meaning, get your fruit ripe on the vine. His ‘16’s are perfectly ripe.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Cras: This vineyard was planted between 1921 and 1923. There are complex aromatics of sweet berry, menthol, sarsaparilla root and earth. It is full, deep and velvety, building through the palate and finishing quite savoury. Lovely balance.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Grandes Vignes: This vineyard was devastated by frost in ’16 and the yields were so small that there will not be a commercial release. It is super intense with dark cherry, floral spice and earthy aromas and flavours. Tannins are sweet and the long finishes is flecked with minerals.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Aux Reignots: It draws you in with its intoxicating perfume. I commented that there was plenty of Asian spice to the wine and Louis-Michel said he put it in there because he has a good market in Asia. I didn’t notice any Polish spice. There’s a suggestion of menthol and the dark cherry fruit has great intensity. The palate is silky and detailed, and it has concentration and phenomenal length without any heaviness.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Clos Vougeot, Grand Cru: Very much red fruited with some aniseed spice. It is tangy and rich with good underlying structure and plenty of muscle to the back-end.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Echezeaux, Grand Cru: Intoxicating nose of Chinese 5 spice powder and perfectly ripe red and black fruits. There was a grating of fresh ginger too. There’s great volume and intensity in the mouth with serious mid-palate sap and a super long finish tasting of salty plum.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: Great complexity, finesse, depth and clarity. You get notes of pomegranate, aniseed, cherry and mineral. The palate has a creaminess to it but you feel every rocky bump of the wine. It is silky, voluminous and ethereal, with great mineral drive and a finish that really fans out. Brilliant!

Louis-Michel was keen to check in and see how his 2012’s are coming along. So were we.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée La Colombiere: As one of our American friends put it ‘this is ready to drive straight off the lot’. It is expressive with plenty of spice and earth and a very pretty scent of rose petals. Red berry fruits envelop the mouth and it is plump with mineral cut.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Aux Reignots: Quite compact, tight and intense. There’s a whiff of ginger, compost, red currant and rose petal. It is silky in the mouth with great line. It builds and is expansive on the finish. Fabulous wine but needs a few more years in the cellar.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Echezeaux, Grand Cru: More open than the Reignots. Expressive nose of Asian spice, cherry, pomegranate and raspberry. It is rich and creamy but with plenty of mineral detail. The finish is super long.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: This close to perfection. The nose draws you in with the perfume of rose petals, aniseed, black cherries and fresh lilies. It has a cool centre and is complex, layered and expansive. There’s latent power, exquisite balance and proportion a lacy, sensual texture and length to burn. Simply wonderful.

Louis-Michel was on a roll and decided we should finish the tasting with an ’08.

2008 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: There’s a hint of forest floor development sneaking in. It has plenty of berry, cherry and earth. The palate is super spicy, with a cool mineral centre. Fruits are deliciously crunchy and the finish is stony and long.
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#27 Post by Karl K » May 5th, 2018, 6:31 am

Sounds like a nice roll to be part of!
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#28 Post by alan weinberg » May 5th, 2018, 8:47 am

urologists would have laughed. Urine good company with us and pee jokes.

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#29 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 5th, 2018, 5:39 pm

You should have been there Alan. I'm sure you would have laughed.
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#30 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » May 5th, 2018, 5:42 pm

Nice to read you are just the middle man converting the La Romanee in to a pee.

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#31 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 5th, 2018, 6:10 pm

Wine is only ever on loan Sanjay.
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#32 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » May 5th, 2018, 6:39 pm

Alan could claim tax deduction for his bladder washouts

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#33 Post by jcoley3 » May 5th, 2018, 7:35 pm

Yeah, you were with the wrong Americans.

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#34 Post by alan weinberg » May 5th, 2018, 7:59 pm

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#35 Post by William Kelley » May 6th, 2018, 8:41 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote: We then moved through a selection of outstanding 2016 reds. Louis-Michel recounted a quote that Henri Jayer once told him, ‘there is no sun in the cellar’. Meaning, get your fruit ripe on the vine. His ‘16’s are perfectly ripe.
Given the phrase 'sunshine in a bag' is often used to describe the sugar used in chaptalization, I wonder if there's some ludic humor at work here from Henri / Louis-Michel...
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#36 Post by paul hanna » May 6th, 2018, 6:01 pm

Jeremy Holmes wrote:Louis-Michel Liger-Belair is a thoroughly engaging fellow, who just happens to make some of the greatest wines on the planet. It is always fun to taste with him and this year particularly so. There was a contingent from America and our group of Aussies, making for a kind of mini United Nations of wine. One of the ‘Septic Tanks’ was quite loud and funny, although I don’t think he was trying to be funny. He was asking Louis-Michel about a ‘bladder press’. Louis-Michel asked what that was. I was trying to be funny and said ‘its what happens when you need to take a petite pee pee’. The Aussies laughed, Americans didn’t laugh, and I don’t think Louis-Michel heard me.

We kicked off the tasting with a very fine white.

2014 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Grandes Vignes: Has delicious white peach fruit. There’s a lemon sherbet quality to the wine and it has excellent shape and length.

We then moved through a selection of outstanding 2016 reds. Louis-Michel recounted a quote that Henri Jayer once told him, ‘there is no sun in the cellar’. Meaning, get your fruit ripe on the vine. His ‘16’s are perfectly ripe.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Aux Cras: This vineyard was planted between 1921 and 1923. There are complex aromatics of sweet berry, menthol, sarsaparilla root and earth. It is full, deep and velvety, building through the palate and finishing quite savoury. Lovely balance.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Grandes Vignes: This vineyard was devastated by frost in ’16 and the yields were so small that there will not be a commercial release. It is super intense with dark cherry, floral spice and earthy aromas and flavours. Tannins are sweet and the long finishes is flecked with minerals.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Aux Reignots: It draws you in with its intoxicating perfume. I commented that there was plenty of Asian spice to the wine and Louis-Michel said he put it in there because he has a good market in Asia. I didn’t notice any Polish spice. There’s a suggestion of menthol and the dark cherry fruit has great intensity. The palate is silky and detailed, and it has concentration and phenomenal length without any heaviness.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Clos Vougeot, Grand Cru: Very much red fruited with some aniseed spice. It is tangy and rich with good underlying structure and plenty of muscle to the back-end.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Echezeaux, Grand Cru: Intoxicating nose of Chinese 5 spice powder and perfectly ripe red and black fruits. There was a grating of fresh ginger too. There’s great volume and intensity in the mouth with serious mid-palate sap and a super long finish tasting of salty plum.

2016 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: Great complexity, finesse, depth and clarity. You get notes of pomegranate, aniseed, cherry and mineral. The palate has a creaminess to it but you feel every rocky bump of the wine. It is silky, voluminous and ethereal, with great mineral drive and a finish that really fans out. Brilliant!

Louis-Michel was keen to check in and see how his 2012’s are coming along. So were we.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée La Colombiere: As one of our American friends put it ‘this is ready to drive straight off the lot’. It is expressive with plenty of spice and earth and a very pretty scent of rose petals. Red berry fruits envelop the mouth and it is plump with mineral cut.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Aux Reignots: Quite compact, tight and intense. There’s a whiff of ginger, compost, red currant and rose petal. It is silky in the mouth with great line. It builds and is expansive on the finish. Fabulous wine but needs a few more years in the cellar.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair Echezeaux, Grand Cru: More open than the Reignots. Expressive nose of Asian spice, cherry, pomegranate and raspberry. It is rich and creamy but with plenty of mineral detail. The finish is super long.

2012 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: This close to perfection. The nose draws you in with the perfume of rose petals, aniseed, black cherries and fresh lilies. It has a cool centre and is complex, layered and expansive. There’s latent power, exquisite balance and proportion a lacy, sensual texture and length to burn. Simply wonderful.

Louis-Michel was on a roll and decided we should finish the tasting with an ’08.

2008 Domaine du Comte Liger-Belair La Romanée, Grand Cru: There’s a hint of forest floor development sneaking in. It has plenty of berry, cherry and earth. The palate is super spicy, with a cool mineral centre. Fruits are deliciously crunchy and the finish is stony and long.

By far my favorite tasting of the whole trip!

Louis-Michel is a great bloke, very funny, but his wines are just out of this world, IMHO right up with the absolute very best wines for their level(s) made today (and yes, La Romanee is up there with La Tache and Romanee Conti, and maybe even better!)

The '16's were superb, shame the amounts are so low. Across the range the Reignots stood out, this is one wine that really is serious GC quality, and the '16 was a cracker (as was the '12)! It was also interesting to see how approachable almost all of these were young, so silky and with such lovely poise and balance, yet more than enough stuffing to really age. Delicious wines!

The Echezeaux were likewise very, very good (easily amongst the very best Ech. made), whilst the '12 La Romanee was up there in my 5 all time great wines, this is a bottle that in 10-20 years will be simply magical - a truly stunning wine and easily my WOTY for 2018 so far!

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#37 Post by c fu » May 6th, 2018, 7:41 pm

Liger to me is probably the best red burgundy producer when considering the complete range of village to grand cru. No real misses. Probably cause the house style is so strong (and delicious).
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#38 Post by billnanson » May 7th, 2018, 1:43 am

alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
I don't know that wine, but the 97 sang beautifully 8-9 months ago...
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#39 Post by Brian Heslop » May 7th, 2018, 2:03 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:Le Soufflot
Enjoying your posts Jeremy.

Le Soufflot looks great, do you need to book or are "walk-ins" a possibility?
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#40 Post by Gerhard P. » May 7th, 2018, 5:52 am

billnanson wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
I don't know that wine, but the 97 sang beautifully 8-9 months ago...
LA ROMANÉE 2001 was the last vintage vinified by Regis FOREY and elevated (and bottled) by Bouchard P&F.
Louis-Michel Liger-Belair had nothing to do with it. It is however a good to very good LR, but in the usual (slightly) rustic style of Forey (+Bouchard).

LM Liger-Belair took over the La Romanée-vineyard with the 2002 vintage.
He worked the vineyard and vinified the wine from 2002 onwards.
However from 2002 to 2005 he still had to transfer 50% to Bouchard P&F - usually in their own new barrels with a slightly different toasting. So there are two different bottlings 2002-2005, but according to Louis-Michel the differences are not huge.
Since 2006 there is only ONE LR-bottling by Comte Liger-Belair.

BTW: the 1997 LR (Bouchard) is a fine effort for the vintage, fully mature and delicious, if slightly lacking the class of a better vintage (like 1999).
However all vintages from 2002 onwards are a step up ...
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#41 Post by paul hanna » May 7th, 2018, 5:40 pm

alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
Alan,

I had both the '01 and '02 La Romanees a few years ago, and fair to say they were ok, but not what you would call great. Rustic is probably a good word, and they do lack the refinement and class of the wine that Liger-Belair is making now, which seem to have been getting better and better since 2006/7, with each vintage going up another level.

Pricing on these if you look also seems to reflect this.

Might be able to shed some more light soon, as next week we are doing a La Romanee dinner!

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#42 Post by c fu » May 7th, 2018, 5:41 pm

paul hanna wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
Alan,

I had both the '01 and '02 La Romanees a few years ago, and fair to say they were ok, but not what you would call great. Rustic is probably a good word, and they do lack the refinement and class of the wine that Liger-Belair is making now, which seem to have been getting better and better since 2006/7, with each vintage going up another level.

Pricing on these if you look also seems to reflect this.

Might be able to shed some more light soon, as next week we are doing a La Romanee dinner!
Rustic is the best descriptor for those Bouchard La Romanee. It has a jagged edge on the palate from the tannin and earth.
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#43 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 7th, 2018, 6:02 pm

I would certainly book Brian.
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#44 Post by Gerhard P. » May 8th, 2018, 12:42 am

paul hanna wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
Alan,

I had both the '01 and '02 La Romanees a few years ago, and fair to say they were ok, but not what you would call great. Rustic is probably a good word, and they do lack the refinement and class of the wine that Liger-Belair is making now, which seem to have been getting better and better since 2006/7, with each vintage going up another level.

Pricing on these if you look also seems to reflect this.

Might be able to shed some more light soon, as next week we are doing a La Romanee dinner!
2002 La Romanée rustic ????????????
Not in the least! At least not the chateau-bottling by Louis-Michel ... (never had the Bouchard-bottling of 2002 though).
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#45 Post by billnanson » May 8th, 2018, 1:23 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
billnanson wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
I don't know that wine, but the 97 sang beautifully 8-9 months ago...
LA ROMANÉE 2001 was the last vintage vinified by Regis FOREY and elevated (and bottled) by Bouchard P&F.
Louis-Michel Liger-Belair had nothing to do with it. It is however a good to very good LR, but in the usual (slightly) rustic style of Forey (+Bouchard).

LM Liger-Belair took over the La Romanée-vineyard with the 2002 vintage.
He worked the vineyard and vinified the wine from 2002 onwards.
However from 2002 to 2005 he still had to transfer 50% to Bouchard P&F - usually in their own new barrels with a slightly different toasting. So there are two different bottlings 2002-2005, but according to Louis-Michel the differences are not huge.
Since 2006 there is only ONE LR-bottling by Comte Liger-Belair.

BTW: the 1997 LR (Bouchard) is a fine effort for the vintage, fully mature and delicious, if slightly lacking the class of a better vintage (like 1999).
However all vintages from 2002 onwards are a step up ...
You took my English too literally Gerhard - I've been visiting and buying from Louis-Michel every year since 2003 - I know the history.
I would very much hope that a 99 is better than a 97...

I don't know the 2001 in the biblical sense - maybe that will give you more fun for research... anyway, I meant that I haven't drunk one, yet...
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#46 Post by paul hanna » May 8th, 2018, 2:15 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
paul hanna wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:bought a b of Bouchard 01 La Romanée recently and then read it sucked. Anybody w experience?
Alan,

I had both the '01 and '02 La Romanees a few years ago, and fair to say they were ok, but not what you would call great. Rustic is probably a good word, and they do lack the refinement and class of the wine that Liger-Belair is making now, which seem to have been getting better and better since 2006/7, with each vintage going up another level.

Pricing on these if you look also seems to reflect this.

Might be able to shed some more light soon, as next week we are doing a La Romanee dinner!
2002 La Romanée rustic ????????????
Not in the least! At least not the chateau-bottling by Louis-Michel ... (never had the Bouchard-bottling of 2002 though).
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Yes, talking about the Bouchard versions....

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#47 Post by Jeremy Holmes » May 21st, 2018, 12:39 am

Have been trying for years to get a visit to Coche to no avail. I guess I'll have to tag along with Herwig at some stage. Anyway, we do our own Coche tasting throughout the restaurants of France whenever we find them at a reasonable price and had a terrific run during our recent 4-week trip. The '12 Coche whites are seriously good.

2015 Coche-Dury Bourgogne Blanc: It had some petrol and smoky mineral reduction at first but opened up beautifully. There were rich peach fruits and plenty of spice. It was unctuous and full but by no means heavy. It had 1er Cru intensity and a finish that was precise and long.

2012 Coche-Dury Meursault 1er Cru Les Perrières: Has a ripe and expressive nose of peach, almond butter, honeysuckle and spice. As it hits the mouth orchard fruit flavour floods every crevice. It is generous, charming and unctuous and its minerality kicks in on the back-end providing freshness and cut. It has awesome power and length is superb.

2012 Coche-Dury Meursault Les Rougeots: Rich and accessible. Sappy orchard fruits were dense and coated the mouth with flavour. It had a touch of almond butter and good mineral intensity. Length of flavour was seriously good, and it had great drive and presence.

2012 Coche-Dury Meursault:The standard 2012 Coche-Dury Meursault village wine didn’t have the richness of the Rougeots but did have more off the usual struck match. It was very fresh, with excellent detail and a line of citrus and mineral. It finished with outstanding cut and left a mineral calling card.

2011 Coche-Dury Meursault 1er Cru Caillerets: Extremely young and fresh. There’s some smoky reduction to the aroma along with intense white peach and fennel. The palate is direct and sappy, with loads of chalk and some plant matter. Acidity is piecing and length imposing.

2011 Coche-Dury Bourgogne Blanc: It had the usual Coche mineral/petrol reduction. There was dense sappy peach fruit and a touch of spice. It was fresh with a tangy citrus finish.

2009 Coche-Dury Bourgogne Rouge: Drinks like a Village wine, priced like a 1er Cru. Very pleasant nose of red berries, cherries and earth. It has good flesh in the mouth overlaying a stony base. There's reasonable depth and whilst tannins are relatively soft the acidity is bright and breezy.
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#48 Post by Herwig Janssen » May 21st, 2018, 12:58 am

That would be the day , finding myself in a cellar with Aussies !
Coche is very difficult to visit , especially lately and with what is going on there now , it will probably be even more difficult . The good days are over , that is for sure .

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#49 Post by Nick Gangas » May 21st, 2018, 9:04 am

What does this mean Herwig ? Anything affecting the style ?

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#50 Post by alan weinberg » May 21st, 2018, 11:59 am

Nick Gangas wrote:What does this mean Herwig ? Anything affecting the style ?
beside son taking over and Jean-François no longer making the wines?

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