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#201 Post by Anton D » April 13th, 2015, 1:06 pm

Eric LeVine wrote:
David Glasser wrote:A question for those with enough space for a table or seating: do you spend much time in there other than unpacking and organizing?
Nope. Any table-like surfaces are purely for organizing, unpacking etc.

I will admit that I built a bar-like ledge in my space, and, inevitably, people want a tour of the cellar. However, it is cold in there and smells too much like cedar. Really not the best place to hang out and drink.
I find cellar temp pleasant and also like my whites at cellar temp, so I will often stand with someone/someones and pop a white wine and chat, or use the table to put bottles or decanters that I am prepping for upstairs.

I especially like loitering in there in the summer.
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#202 Post by AndrewH » April 13th, 2015, 7:06 pm

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David Cohen wrote: Been running cellar for 7 years, cleaned, swept and vacuumed it once thus far. June 2011 after breaking a bottle of wine on the floor (71 pertus in case anyone was wondering).
Ouch!!

This brings up an interesting question. Does anyone have a floor covering? I've often wondered how much passive cooling I'd lose from the foundation if I covered the floor to guard against a broken bottle. My cellar is subterranean on the north side of the house in the old "root cellar" so it wouldn't ever get above 65F if I didn't have a cooling unit. The climatization just knocks it down to cellar temp in the summer.
Is the below-floor (soil) temperature below 55 (or your desired cellar temperature)? If not, then the floor covering will help keep the cellar cooler (or the cooling work less hard) because it's like insulation and will slow the passage of heat from the floor into the cellar. If the soil temperature is below 55, then a floor covering will slow the transfer of heat into the ground but because you essentially have an unlimited source of cooling the only issue is if other heat sources to the room warm the room faster than the now-insulated slab can take away the heat.

All that said, floor covering is usually pretty low R-value because it's thin - unless you plan on building a 6" subfloor with loads of insulation.
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#203 Post by brodie thomson » April 13th, 2015, 7:11 pm

My offsite storage - no comment...
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#204 Post by Steve Brickley » April 13th, 2015, 9:33 pm

I have wood grain anti-fatigue mats on my cellar floor in areas where I may accidentally drop a bottle. They look surprisingly good. The real reason I have them is because my wine cellar is maybe 4 feet high and I have to crawl into it. The padded floor helps my knees. The mats cover one inch oak veneer plywood over 2x4 floor grid on a slab floor. The mats are at http://www.americanfloormats.com/ergoas ... ts/#colors and they cut quite easily with a straight edge and blade to form to the shape you want.
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#205 Post by Wayne Alleyne » April 14th, 2015, 1:28 am

brodie thomson wrote:My offsite storage - no comment...
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You must have a lot of fun trying to locate a particular bottle or two amongst that lot Brodie. [swoon.gif]

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#206 Post by Dusty Gillson » April 14th, 2015, 5:07 am

I love seeing all the pictures, but it leads me to the conclusion that some people must not drink from their cellars very often. I'm just now getting to the point where I couldn't list every bottle that I have from memory, but I really see how people could completely forget about things with stacks and stacks of plain shipper boxes around.
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#207 Post by Dan.Gord0n » April 14th, 2015, 6:24 am

Rich Nanda wrote:This is a great thread. I used similar threads in the past as inspiration when designing our cellar. We built a new home last year and used a ~14' x 14' space in the basement for a walk-in cellar with ~2000 bottle capacity. Relatively basic but I'm very pleased with the look and functionality. Still needs a center tasting table, but we'll add that in due course.

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Rich - nicely done - really looks great!!

You may want to wait on the tasting table because too often I have heard people say they should have added more storage (even half height with a top for tasting, organizing, glasses, etc) instead of a table which they never end up sitting at.

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#208 Post by Joe B » April 14th, 2015, 6:36 am

I'm creating my bar area right outside the cellar. So once people pointed out the 55 degree frigidity factor, plus I was doing the bar, it became a no brainer.
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#209 Post by David Cohen » April 14th, 2015, 6:54 am

If not mistaken there is a cellar door disguised as a small home bar to "hide" whats really behind it.

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#210 Post by Scott G r u n e r » April 14th, 2015, 9:14 am

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Here's mine, built by our board's own Chris Kravitz. Sadly, but not really, I'm moving and Chris is working on a new one!
To ask a stupid question: over time, how dusty do bottles get in cellars such as the above? Are the cellars difficult to clean (presumably dust etc. gathers over time on the racking)?
Certainly not a stupid question, but from my POV I am proud to be able to pull out dusty bottles. I have no intention of every cleaning them. champagne.gif
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#211 Post by Dave Gottschalk » April 14th, 2015, 11:44 am

David Cohen wrote:If not mistaken there is a cellar door disguised as a small home bar to "hide" whats really behind it.
Not exactly the same, but here is my door.
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#212 Post by Dave Gottschalk » April 14th, 2015, 11:48 am

and one more of the cellar.
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#213 Post by David Cohen » April 14th, 2015, 11:53 am

Nice job on the door! I was recalling tihis one..

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#214 Post by Jeff Vaughan » April 14th, 2015, 1:19 pm

Dave Gottschalk wrote:
David Cohen wrote:If not mistaken there is a cellar door disguised as a small home bar to "hide" whats really behind it.
Not exactly the same, but here is my door.
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Nice! My neighbor has something similar hiding his massive cigar humidor.
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#215 Post by Anton D » April 14th, 2015, 1:30 pm

Killer great, Dave!

Thanks for posting it!
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#216 Post by Julian Skeels » April 14th, 2015, 2:27 pm

Great thread! Will try to find some photos - think I'm in with a shout for the best disorganised wine storage. Until recently, across 2 houses, had about 10-15k bottles laying around under beds, in four double- wardrobes, in two studies, two bedrooms fully taken over, 5 large Liebher conditioners (300bts each), a double-garage stacked with plastic crates (taking bottles out of OWCs saved space), two large wine side tables, one full dedicated Sauternes fridge, an Indian port bar, and various wine racks. This in addition to a few large offsite managed cellars which are even bigger and have no hope of ever being drunk. My wife deserves a medal for putting up with me. I've given up bothering with any storage 'system' or even pretending that my CT even vaguely mirrors what I have.... Just grab a bottle in the evening for Russian roulette for what I'll be drinking.

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#217 Post by M A T T H A R T L E Y » April 14th, 2015, 2:48 pm

Reading through these posts I realized how great a resource this thread would be if I was still looking to build my cellar. Has inspired me to post a pic of mine (not the best pic)

Designed the bottom two rows for wood cases, and the top rows for bulk storage. I created 15-20 shelf inserts that can be put in and taken out of shelves to split wines apart. Used some brick tile I ended up loving for the floor - can be found here https://www.inglenooktile.com/wrights-ferry.html

Closed cell foam insulation on ceiling, walls and crawl space below. Had to also add some piers and joists to the crawl space to take care of the added weight.
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#218 Post by R Nanda » April 14th, 2015, 7:18 pm

scott c wrote:
Rich Nanda wrote:This is a great thread. I used similar threads in the past as inspiration when designing our cellar. We built a new home last year and used a ~14' x 14' space in the basement for a walk-in cellar with ~2000 bottle capacity. Relatively basic but I'm very pleased with the look and functionality. Still needs a center tasting table, but we'll add that in due course.

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You are clearly not a serious wine collector; I see both SQN and Burgundy in there! [tease.gif]
The horror!
Chris Tuttle wrote:Rich, I love the layout & size. Just right, IMO. Also, the floor tiles are great. Have something similar in a bathroom.

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#219 Post by Anton D » April 14th, 2015, 7:30 pm

Dave G!

Kudos, again. My wife sends her regards and says she is in favor of the idea!
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#220 Post by Craig G » April 14th, 2015, 9:27 pm

I want to visit all of these, small and large!
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#221 Post by Dave Gottschalk » April 15th, 2015, 5:16 am

Anton D wrote:Dave G!

Kudos, again. My wife sends her regards and says she is in favor of the idea!
Thank you, it was a fun project. Our first cellar was a converted closet and had "the pretty etched glass door". This one was a full bedroom and we thought anonymity was best. That is until I post on berserkers! The below picture is where the closet was. I had a carpenter build the arch and, I did the brick work.
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#222 Post by L e o F r o k i c » April 15th, 2015, 5:53 am

ariamali hart wrote:Hey look! I'm going to overcompensate for the other areas in which I am truly lacking!
Jealous much? Lacking in all departments I presume!
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#223 Post by Howard Cooper » April 15th, 2015, 9:11 am

ariamali hart wrote:Since the OP used the thread as a way to boast his own cellar, can we please change the title to: "allow me to try and impress you with MY cellar"?
I really get tired sometimes of people who come to a wine board and expect everyone to be poor. I am enjoying this thread.
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#224 Post by T. Melloni » April 15th, 2015, 9:43 am

Here was mine . . . for many years.
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#225 Post by Alan Rath » April 15th, 2015, 11:16 am

Dave Gottschalk wrote:but here is my door.
Very nice. But the first thing I thought of was "Put... the candle... BACK!" champagne.gif
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#226 Post by Dave Gottschalk » April 15th, 2015, 12:53 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
Dave Gottschalk wrote:but here is my door.
Very nice. But the first thing I thought of was "Put... the candle... BACK!" champagne.gif
Yes, funny. I was more a Maxwell Smart kind of guy.

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#227 Post by James Cahill » April 15th, 2015, 4:48 pm

A rendering of a wine cellar that I had designed but choked on the price. Mag storage against the glass. Also, if you are enjoying this thread then you will enjoy the book: Living With Wine by Samantha Nestor, photographs by Andrew French. This is a coffee table quality wine cellar picture book with some fantastic cellars.

Love this thread and keep the pics coming as I need more inspiration.
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#228 Post by PaulMills » April 15th, 2015, 5:32 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
ariamali hart wrote:Since the OP used the thread as a way to boast his own cellar, can we please change the title to: "allow me to try and impress you with MY cellar"?
I really get tired sometimes of people who come to a wine board and expect everyone to be poor. I am enjoying this thread.
I concur. I am overly enjoying seeing other peoples cellars. Some I say 'that sure is nice, must be nice' and others I say 'meh, you just made my day'. Of course you never really know what wines are in the 'lesser' cellars. They could spend the bucks on the wine rather than the fancy storage.

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#229 Post by Josh Schwartz » April 15th, 2015, 6:18 pm

Love this thread as well...nice to dream while looking at my vinotemp down in the basement.
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#230 Post by Marc Frontario » April 16th, 2015, 7:03 am

This thread looks like a sweeps week episode of hoarders!!!
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#231 Post by Carlos Duarte » April 16th, 2015, 8:22 am

This thread makes me want to buy a lottery ticket!!!!!!!!

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#232 Post by David Cohen » April 16th, 2015, 8:40 am

i showed my wife this thread and said " see it could be much worse!"

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#233 Post by Alan Cohn » April 16th, 2015, 11:13 am

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I took a small storage space in my basement, 7x7x8 and did double depth burgundy racking along one of the long walls, double depth bordueaux and single-depth Magnum racking along the other. Along the end walls I did Vintage View Magnum rakcing. I placed the cooling unit in the header above the door frame as that is the last place anyone really wants to store wine anyway. I used closed cell spray foam on all the walls and the ceiling as well as IC lights in the ceiling. Storage is 1,500 bottles exclusive of the rolling pallet as I am running out of storage space and that seemed like a great way to add more stoage in the empty walkway between the racking. Here are a few
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#234 Post by Alan Cohn » April 16th, 2015, 11:41 am

Here are the remaining picutres....
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#235 Post by Alan Rath » April 16th, 2015, 7:46 pm

Josh Schwartz wrote:Love this thread as well...nice to dream while looking at my vinotemp down in the basement.
Whot?! you have a basement? All I have is a crawl space ;)

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#236 Post by Marshall Gelb » April 18th, 2015, 10:43 am

T. Melloni wrote:Here was mine . . . for many years.
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Served me well.

That is an almost exact match of mine! Still running but I think the compressor needs to be replaced....Have been very lucky!


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#237 Post by Scot H. » April 18th, 2015, 11:40 am

Alan Cohn wrote:Here are the remaining picutres....
Great cellar! Nice to know there are some other stashes in Alexandria! champagne.gif
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#238 Post by François Audouze » April 19th, 2015, 9:36 am

I know that full cases of Romanée Conti with their original circling have a higher value than the same bottles being outside of their cases. The difference is significant.

Despite that, I have decided to open all the cases in my cellar and to store only individual bottles.
The idea is that if burglars come in my cellar, the time to steal 12 bottles individually is probably 20 times bigger than to take one full cases.

After having seen above cellars with many full cases, I give this advice, to follow or not to follow depending on your appreciation of risks.
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#239 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » April 19th, 2015, 10:51 am

Marshall Gelb wrote:
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Served me well.

That is an almost exact match of mine! Still running but I think the compressor needs to be replaced....Have been very lucky!


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#240 Post by CJ Beazley » April 19th, 2015, 11:36 am

François Audouze wrote:I know that full cases of Romanée Conti with their original circling have a higher value than the same bottles being outside of their cases. The difference is significant.

Despite that, I have decided to open all the cases in my cellar and to store only individual bottles.
The idea is that if burglars come in my cellar, the time to steal 12 bottles individually is probably 20 times bigger than to take one full cases.

After having seen above cellars with many full cases, I give this advice, to follow or not to follow depending on your appreciation of risks.
M. Audouze, I promise to unband, open, and rack ALL my unopened cases of DRC tomorrow. I'm busy today organizing my Faberge eggs.
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#241 Post by B. Burlingame » April 21st, 2015, 9:04 am

I'm enjoying this thread a lot -- but hoped to see some bright and beautiful images I could adopt for my NZ cellar which is nearly half screw-cap. I don't like the idea of my wines having years of contact with a Stelvin liner so need more vertical bottle storage, but something that allows ease of bottle access like you get with horizontal storage...
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#242 Post by David Glasser » April 21st, 2015, 1:44 pm

B. Burlingame wrote:I'm enjoying this thread a lot -- but hoped to see some bright and beautiful images I could adopt for my NZ cellar which is nearly half screw-cap. I don't like the idea of my wines having years of contact with a Stelvin liner so need more vertical bottle storage, but something that allows ease of bottle access like you get with horizontal storage...
Maybe one of our chemist members can jump in here, as I'm wondering if upright vs horizontal really makes any difference WRT contact with the Stelvin liner if you're storing for years. Would there be eventual transfer/mixing of anything with even small degrees of volatility?

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#243 Post by Anton D » April 21st, 2015, 5:46 pm

CJ Beazley wrote:
François Audouze wrote:I know that full cases of Romanée Conti with their original circling have a higher value than the same bottles being outside of their cases. The difference is significant.

Despite that, I have decided to open all the cases in my cellar and to store only individual bottles.
The idea is that if burglars come in my cellar, the time to steal 12 bottles individually is probably 20 times bigger than to take one full cases.

After having seen above cellars with many full cases, I give this advice, to follow or not to follow depending on your appreciation of risks.
M. Audouze, I promise to unband, open, and rack ALL my unopened cases of DRC tomorrow. I'm busy today organizing my Faberge eggs.
I hear ya, buddy.

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#244 Post by M.Kaplan » April 21st, 2015, 6:09 pm

I appreciate that everyone who has posted a cellar photo is proud of his/her cellar and takes pleasure in sharing it with the other members here. Have any of you considered that WB is a real names board and that Wine Talk is viewable and searchable by the general public? And that some of you have also posted the cities in which you live?
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#245 Post by PaulMills » April 21st, 2015, 7:08 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:I appreciate that everyone who has posted a cellar photo is proud of his/her cellar and takes pleasure in sharing it with the other members here. Have any of you considered that WB is a real names board and that Wine Talk is viewable and searchable by the general public? And that some of you have also posted the cities in which you live?

I would imagine that most people here who have nice cellars, also have nicer furnishings that would be more worthwhile to steal than their wine. Especially things like art and jewelry.

Except me of course, I don't have any of that fancy stuff so the thieves can skip my house.

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#246 Post by AndrewH » April 21st, 2015, 7:24 pm

PaulMills wrote:
M.Kaplan wrote:I appreciate that everyone who has posted a cellar photo is proud of his/her cellar and takes pleasure in sharing it with the other members here. Have any of you considered that WB is a real names board and that Wine Talk is viewable and searchable by the general public? And that some of you have also posted the cities in which you live?

I would imagine that most people here who have nice cellars, also have nicer furnishings that would be more worthwhile to steal than their wine. Especially things like art and jewelry.

Except me of course, I don't have any of that fancy stuff so the thieves can skip my house.
I also don't have any nice stuff. And if a thief wants to get through my alarm system and then haul up bottles one by one, he can go for it. I make sure to store the shippers in a hidden part of the basement.
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#247 Post by ariamali hart » April 21st, 2015, 7:27 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
ariamali hart wrote:Since the OP used the thread as a way to boast his own cellar, can we please change the title to: "allow me to try and impress you with MY cellar"?
I really get tired sometimes of people who come to a wine board and expect everyone to be poor. I am enjoying this thread.
roflmao- not poor in the least.

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#248 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » April 21st, 2015, 7:54 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:I appreciate that everyone who has posted a cellar photo is proud of his/her cellar and takes pleasure in sharing it with the other members here. Have any of you considered that WB is a real names board and that Wine Talk is viewable and searchable by the general public? And that some of you have also posted the cities in which you live?
I take comfort in the knowledge that 3 blocks from my house there is a building with a large sign outside that says "fine wine store" and has much more expensive wine than I own.

It's also listed on google maps and keeps its entire inventory online (mine is just on CT) and you can walk through it anytime you want so it will be a little easier for the cat burglar to plan the hiest

(as long as it's not eric levine)

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#249 Post by T. Melloni » April 21st, 2015, 8:07 pm

Marshall Gelb wrote:
T. Melloni wrote:Here was mine . . . for many years.
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Served me well.
That is an almost exact match of mine! Still running but I think the compressor needs to be replaced....Have been very lucky!

Cheers!
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Mine is still ticking... like a Timex watch.

It has been almost 25 Years.
The Uniform Commercial Code, as it relates to secured financial transactions, defines a fixture as movable personal property that have become so related to real property that an interest in them arises under real property law. Think of your heating or cooling system for the non-lawyers here.

My Vinoteque is a fixture. When it arrived, despite my best measurements, it would not turn in the limited space in the stairwell to my basement. The movers un-crated the cooler and left it in my garage with a plan to pick it up and return it if I could not figure out what to do.
I ended up removing the landing to the stairs leading to my basement and lowered the unit down, and had the landing and some steps rebuilt.
It is now a fixture. Too expensive to remove. The buyer of my house has the option of keeping the unit. If they do not want it, a sawzall, hammer and some wrenches will remove it. I'll use the racking and give away the compressor.

Marshall - If that happens, I would be happy to give you the compressor. Except, I don't think the value of a 25 year old unit is worth the shipping costs East Coast to West Coast.
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#250 Post by Claus Jeppesen » April 24th, 2015, 4:43 am

Pic of the Prüm/Schäfer shelf in my rather spooky cellar
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