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Food and wine in China (Shanghai, Beijing, Hangzhou)

#1 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » November 1st, 2019, 8:12 am

Any particularly interesting or unique suggestions for food and wine in these cities? Not really looking for high-end places, since those will be picked by my hosts, but for my time off, what is not to miss?

Best Xiao Long Bao in Shanghai?

Best Peking Duck in Beijing?

Best Crabs in Hangzhou?

Wine bars?

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#2 Post by Marcus Montanile » November 1st, 2019, 8:58 am

Sorry as I don't have any specifics to give you as most of my coworkers are the ones to pick hole in the wall spots, but wine is usually prohibitively expensive to drink anything nice in China. I tend to stick to Tsingtao/Snow beer and baijiu. For hot pot chains, Laowang and Haidilao are my go-to's.

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#3 Post by John Chapman » November 1st, 2019, 9:58 am

In Shanghai, you can go to Nanxiang, the famous XLB place adjacent to Yu Yuan, which is itself a nice place to visit. There are usually long lines both for the sit down restaurant and for the take-out windows on the street. The best bao I've had was at Din Tai Fung, in Xintiandi. Very nice restaurant.

If you're up for hot hunan, try a restaurant called Di Shui Dong, on a busy but not touristy street. Very local flavor, many dishes come smothered in red chilies, so a cold beer is important.

In Beijing I had great Peking Duck at Duck de Chine, a French-inspired restaurant. The more traditional place suggested by my Beijing-born neighbors is Quanjude, but I never made it there.

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#4 Post by ClarkstonMark » November 1st, 2019, 10:50 am

John Chapman wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 9:58 am
In Shanghai, you can go to Nanxiang, the famous XLB place adjacent to Yu Yuan, which is itself a nice place to visit. There are usually long lines both for the sit down restaurant and for the take-out windows on the street. The best bao I've had was at Din Tai Fung, in Xintiandi. Very nice restaurant.

If you're up for hot hunan, try a restaurant called Di Shui Dong, on a busy but not touristy street. Very local flavor, many dishes come smothered in red chilies, so a cold beer is important.

In Beijing I had great Peking Duck at Duck de Chine, a French-inspired restaurant. The more traditional place suggested by my Beijing-born neighbors is Quanjude, but I never made it there.
DTF in Xintiandi was closed earlier this year ... not sure if it has re-opened.
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#5 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » November 1st, 2019, 9:20 pm

I've had XLB at the original DTF in Taipei, and they are the best I've ever had.
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#6 Post by PCLIN » November 6th, 2019, 5:10 pm

John Chapman wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 9:58 am

The more traditional place suggested by my Beijing-born neighbors is Quanjude, but I never made it there.

You didn’t miss anything.
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#7 Post by Mark Y » November 6th, 2019, 5:34 pm

Yah. Da Dong duck is the place to go in Beijing I think. QJD is yester years.
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#8 Post by Ramon C » November 9th, 2019, 6:05 am

In Beijing, been to both Da Dong and another place that's very Euro-slick establishment whose name escapes me, with both touting roast duck. Da Dong by a mile.

Limited wine list and ordered a Bourgogne at about $100.
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#9 Post by doug johnson » November 9th, 2019, 7:47 am

De gustibus...Da Dong is awful.

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#10 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 11th, 2019, 2:55 am

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Yah. Da Dong duck is the place to go in Beijing I think. QJD is yester years.
Da Dong was good, but super-expensive, iirc.

Local handler took me to the pic below for duck, which I liked more than Da Dong. Looks like it is called Xi He Ya and iirc was one of the older restaurants in a chain. This one was cool because it was pretty much in the middle of nowhere and a really nice courtyard :D
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#11 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 11th, 2019, 3:14 am

Other Beijing thought, if you're looking for unique - try Yaoji Chaogan (Yao's fried liver) for lunch. Local guy took me there for lunch and it was a great visit, but I had somebody ordering/communicating for me. Not the cleanest restaurant I've ever been to, but if Joe Biden can eat there, what the heck :D
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#12 Post by Mark Y » November 11th, 2019, 7:21 am

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 2:55 am
Mark Y wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:34 pm
Yah. Da Dong duck is the place to go in Beijing I think. QJD is yester years.
Da Dong was good, but super-expensive, iirc.

Local handler took me to the pic below for duck, which I liked more than Da Dong. Looks like it is called Xi He Ya and iirc was one of the older restaurants in a chain. This one was cool because it was pretty much in the middle of nowhere and a really nice courtyard :D
lol so localized ;)

Yah Da dong is expensive relative to Beijing local pricing. But I mean a really nice meal for $150 dollars for 4 people is pretty normal if you are visiting? Haha

there are local spots but helpful if I had a local person taking you haha ;)
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#13 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 11th, 2019, 7:54 am

Yeahhhh our bill at Da Dong was $1500 for 3, no wine. I don’t know the breakdown, other than the Chinese version of Kobe and some “rare” mushrooms from a village one of my friends grew up in were pretty steep. Can show ya the pics at our next wine/beer GT.
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#14 Post by Mark Y » November 11th, 2019, 9:12 am

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 7:54 am
Yeahhhh our bill at Da Dong was $1500 for 3, no wine. I don’t know the breakdown, other than the Chinese version of Kobe and some “rare” mushrooms from a village one of my friends grew up in were pretty steep. Can show ya the pics at our next wine/beer GT.
1500 USD?!?!?! hmm i wonder if you were scammed. you had a local with you?? yah show me the bill, would be fun to see :D
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#15 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 11th, 2019, 9:45 am

Mark Y wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 9:12 am
Andrew Kotowski wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 7:54 am
Yeahhhh our bill at Da Dong was $1500 for 3, no wine. I don’t know the breakdown, other than the Chinese version of Kobe and some “rare” mushrooms from a village one of my friends grew up in were pretty steep. Can show ya the pics at our next wine/beer GT.
1500 USD?!?!?! hmm i wonder if you were scammed. you had a local with you?? yah show me the bill, would be fun to see :D
They were locals (friends from b-school, later work). We at half the menu, but the Chinese Kobe and the mushrooms were supposed to be the exceptions. Maybe they exaggerated?
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