Grand Reserve World Mastercard - Earn up to 8x Points On BD12

[JDavisRoby]

The internet and its forums are a funny place. What other place is it okay to openly disparage someones business right in their face? Would you walk into the lobby of a business and campaign potential customers to not do business with the business?

I get you’re upset at something but if you believe the point value is so bad to begin with why you do care so much? Are you trying to save the masses from what you perceive to be a bad deal?

I have no dog in this fight other than a quixotic belief the world can return to a more civil place someday.

[Won H. L e e]

Won, I am not great at math as you are but I will try.

It's 5% with a partner + 2% with the merchant where you spent the most per billing statement.
It's 3% at wineries/wine.com etc + %2 just like above.

Done carefully, you would get 7% at a partner and 5% at wine.com per month -- which could net you 4.2 cents per dollar spent with a partner and 3 cents at wine.com. That beats Sapphire, IMHO. Also, beats Chase Sapphire Reserve + Freedom Unlimited which would give you 2.25 (1.5 x 1.5) cents per dollar spent. Let's not discount $550 yearly Reserve fees.

I have only scanned the catalog of goodies. Based on some examples, Riedel Sommelier glasses would give me .6 cents/point. ProofLoyalty is at .5 cents/point.

Hilton Honors program gives me .5 cents/point. So, this is in the ballpark for redemption, a little better actually.

I had not signed up for the previous program. I don't quite understand why you are so upset at .4 cents/point. It's not great like Hyatt at 1.8-2 cents/point but it's not too far off from Hilton. And it was for free!

My belief: this card would be useful for people who spend quite a bit on wines per year. If you spend $7500 per year at partners, you will come out ahead compared to Reserve. No?

except that's not how math works. Not all points are created equal, and GRW has specified that each point is worth 0.4 cents. Therefore, you get 7 POINTS (not dollars) at the max category listed above. 7 pts *.4 cents = 2.1 cents per dollar spend. and much less elsewhere. You may get a slightly better value by aiming for specific rewards as specified, but it isn't much.

Chase reserve is priced at $450 (they don't plan to increase the cost). but you get $300 back each year, anything that is considered a travel, including hotel/flight/rental car, so it's more of $150 per yr. + more benefit than what this card offers.
Also, YMMV but many wineries I have purchased counted as dining/travel, and thereby being credited with 3 points per dollar spent; heck even garagiste wine was considered food/drink purchase, and thereby earning 3 points. Each chase pt could be valued at 1.5 cent, so that's 4.5% return. What's better option then?

Look, I am not flaming their old program. I was a fan, signed up, enjoyed it. I get it that they don't make much $$ off of it compare to the credit card, but to give customer only short notice with expiration, so take it or leave it is what left bad taste in my mouth. It felt like they were trying to hook people onto service, and then switch bait to credit card.

I think you are still missing something here. Yes, I understand that the cashback value of the expiring program is 0.4. However, redemption value for something like Riedel Sommelier is 0.6. So, 7 x 0.6 is 4.2.

In the interest of learning, how do you know beforehand that CSR would give you 3% at a winery before you make the charge?

Also, on the point of the previous program -- why not redeem whatever points you have from the old program for something you want? Whatever is left is likely too insignificant even if you were to get 0.4 cents/point.

YMMV with redemption. You can find Riedel Som glasses on sale, which would lower the redemption cost, but I think we are just disagreeing on point valuation, and that happens with every point currency, so no need to debate there.

I can't vouch for all wineries, but i have noticed many wineries being categorized that way, and furthermore, i'd make a small purchase (before say diving into a big purchase) to see how CSR (or say amex gold) categorize the spending.

I am, but don't have much on the offer sheet that i can get with the points... for items that I would want.


cheers.

[Bruce Rudman]

I have no dog in this fight other than a quixotic belief the world can return to a more civil place someday.

This is my hope in every arena.

I cannot even imagine taking the time to calculate the comparisons and participate on the foregoing scale in these complaints about points on their luxury credit cards. Not happy with the free card then don't renew it next year when they want to charge a fee. That simple.

To me, I'd rather just enjoy the wine I bought in the free glasses they sent!

[matthewgoldman]

Hi all - a quick note since a few folks asked and our catalog availability has improved again; thank you for your patience. I think all of the items that were mentioned are back as well as some other great new items such as SippingTHIS coasters, Glasvin Glasses, and some nice chocolates.

We always welcome your feedback on the catalog. If you want to see something please let me know and we will see if we can make it happen! Cheers!

[Dan Hammer]

Hi all - a quick note since a few folks asked and our catalog availability has improved again; thank you for your patience. I think all of the items that were mentioned are back as well as some other great new items such as SippingTHIS coasters, Glasvin Glasses, and some nice chocolates.

We always welcome your feedback on the catalog. If you want to see something please let me know and we will see if we can make it happen! Cheers!

When can we expect to see travel items, such as hotels back up?

[Brian Tuite]

Little snippet of info for you all. If you make your payment on acct with a checking acct ACH transaction your acct is not credited with the payment for 7-10 days. So, although I have paid my acct on 2-11-21 (prior to the statement even hitting) I have no open to buy until 2-23-21.

So, in essence, if you pay a balance that is 1/2 or more of your credit line with your bank acct your card is only good for 20 days a month.

This is the first card or credit acct of any kind that I have ever had that has this kind of policy. Very consumer unfriendly. Thanks but no thanks.

[matthewgoldman]

Hi all - a quick note since a few folks asked and our catalog availability has improved again; thank you for your patience. I think all of the items that were mentioned are back as well as some other great new items such as SippingTHIS coasters, Glasvin Glasses, and some nice chocolates.

We always welcome your feedback on the catalog. If you want to see something please let me know and we will see if we can make it happen! Cheers!

When can we expect to see travel items, such as hotels back up?

Hotel availability is very limited due to COVID-19 and the capacity restrictions. At this time I wouldn't hazard a guess on when hotel deals will be back in the ProofLoyalty store.

[matthewgoldman]

Little snippet of info for you all. If you make your payment on acct with a checking acct ACH transaction your acct is not credited with the payment for 7-10 days. So, although I have paid my acct on 2-11-21 (prior to the statement even hitting) I have no open to buy until 2-23-21.

So, in essence, if you pay a balance that is 1/2 or more of your credit line with your bank acct your card is only good for 20 days a month.

This is the first card or credit acct of any kind that I have ever had that has this kind of policy. Very consumer unfriendly. Thanks but no thanks.

Brian - I messaged you privately about your account. I am here to listen, improve and respond. I do encourage you to contact us directly about account-specific issues.

Generally speaking, when payments are made via a checking or savings account, there may be up to a 7 business day hold on your account until the payment fully clears on our end, although typically 3 business days. The payment is recognized on the date it is made, although the open credit may reflect the payment hold.

[Ken Strauss]

Received and paid my 1st bill and was promptly credited 75,000 points.
I was happy to see in the catalog the bd12 special for glassl. Ordered
Thanks

[Mike C.]

The Nez du Vin aroma kit came back but unfortunately the point value was raised by nearly 10K points (I think it was 66.5K when I applied and now it is 75K). Still put in the order but not a great look.

[Anthony C]

The Nez du Vin aroma kit came back but unfortunately the point value was raised by nearly 10K points (I think it was 66.5K when I applied and now it is 75K). Still put in the order but not a great look.

Yeah, I made a quick spreadsheet to compare the card to my other cashback card and I had the same number down for the Le Nez kit.

Looks like some items in the catalog are still about 150 to 170 points per dollar, but the Coravin capsules and Le Nez stuff I just checked went up to 187 points per dollar since I signed up. Using my purchasing habits that equates to about a 1.7% cash back card (at 167 points per dollar, it's more like a 1.9% cash back card). It will be interesting to see what the points per dollar of future catalog items are. Right now it's still barely a better deal than my bank's free card. The annual fee and what the points can actually buy will determine if it stays that way.

[Kedar Dubhashi]

I found the following to be the best redemptions:

Grassl BD12 dozen/6
Sensory 4-pack
Gabriel Gold 2-pack
2016 Vineyard 7 & 8
2016 Palmaz

Would love to hear from the experts here.

[Mark Morrissette]

One oddity on the Gabriel Gold glasses is that ordering a 6-pack costs more than ordering 3 two-packs. Only 100 points more, but still odd.
Anyway, order in, and I am very pleased!

[Li Chen]

Has anyone received the monthly 2X after statement posted? I do not see mine.

[Brian Tuite]

Has anyone received the monthly 2X after statement posted? I do not see mine.

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[Li Chen]

Copy-pasted from GrandReserveCard.com

"Earn an additional 2 points per dollar at your top wine merchant (the winery or wine merchant where you spend the most) each month"

[Brian Tuite]

Copy-pasted from GrandReserveCard.com

"Earn an additional 2 points per dollar at your top wine merchant (the winery or wine merchant where you spend the most) each month"

Login and click on “Rewards Activity”

[Li Chen]

Brian, thanks. It's not yet posted to my account. Maybe it takes a few days.

[matthewgoldman]

Brian, thanks. It's not yet posted to my account. Maybe it takes a few days.

Generally speaking, the Top Wine Merchant bonus is based on calendar month, not your individual statement period. You should expect to see this bonus within a few days of the end of each calendar month. This may vary depending on the day of the week that any given month ends.

[Luca Giupponi]

Just got my signup bonus!! Sadly all the Hanzell got swept up by those of you who were faster than me....

[Mich@el Ch@ng]

Sensory 4 pack seems like the best deal.

[Dan Hammer]

Sensory 4 pack seems like the best deal.

I tasted these wines at a local NYC tasting several years ago. Craig from Sojourn suggested it.

[Mich@el Ch@ng]

Sensory 4 pack seems like the best deal.

I tasted these wines at a local NYC tasting several years ago. Craig from Sojourn suggested it.

I’m referring to the conterno sensory glass. The 4 pack is usually ~400 so that’s about 0.8 cpp, or ~5.6% on the 7x pts.

[Todd F r e n c h]

I'm gonna finally get a Coravin with my points...just waiting on the bonus

[Ken Strauss]

Sensory 4 pack seems like the best deal.

I tasted these wines at a local NYC tasting several years ago. Craig from Sojourn suggested it.

I’m referring to the conterno sensory glass. The 4 pack is usually ~400 so that’s about 0.8 cpp, or ~5.6% on the 7x pts.

Just so you know Rare Wine sells the Conterno glass 4 pack for $300 with free shipping.

[Mich@el Ch@ng]

I know, I bought one of those packs, but they don’t always have them.

[Ken Strauss]

I know, I bought one of those packs, but they don’t always have them.

They have them now.
Why would you make that post knowing that they cost $300?

[Li Chen]

I know, I bought one of those packs, but they don’t always have them.

They have them now.
Why would you make that post knowing that they cost $300?

Ken, I received mine from Rare Wine Co today. They are very pretty. Best redemption, IMHO.

[Mich@el Ch@ng]

I know, I bought one of those packs, but they don’t always have them.

They have them now.
Why would you make that post knowing that they cost $300?

Because that’s what they cost. Even at 300 it’s still the best value on there IMO.

[Ken Strauss]

I know, I bought one of those packs, but they don’t always have them.

They have them now.
Why would you make that post knowing that they cost $300?

Because that’s what they cost. Even at 300 it’s still the best value on there IMO.

Ok
Thats ok!
Just pointing out that it’s a $300 comparison not $400

[Kedar Dubhashi]

When you factor in taxes, the redemption value is really 0.66 cents/point.

I will do a side-by-side comparison between Zalto Burgundy, Sensory and Grassl Cru someday.