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Older Australian reds San Francisco Marina district Sunday January 27

#1 Post by George Chadwick » December 22nd, 2018, 9:52 am

Update January 9: confirmed January 27 3:30 pm free parking informal $20 to the venue plus any food (optional) plus tips. Venue on the water in the Marina district, PM me if needed.

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Recent data points are overwhelming: it's the perfect time. Shiraz and Cabernet.

For example, even on the expensive goopy awful Parker-Grateful Palate spectrum: this year 1997 Wild Creek Duck Muck and 1997 Greenock Creek Roennfeldt Road Shiraz were showing completely different from previous years. Elegant, very deep, beautiful, no noticeable oak, world class. Blind I would have guessed less-oaky La La on each.

On the regular end: the wines are becoming gentle. Therefore any noticeable oak risks overcoming the now-gentle fruit. But last night a 1998 Yarra Yering Dry Red #1 was lovely. 1998 Lime Cave, Kay Block 6, Burge Draycott Reserve showing well. Armagh the oak is still too present.

Location by consensus later. In SF it would be on a Sunday in a free venue on the water, my usual place. Otherwise probably a Tuesday toward the South Bay, I just found a new place in Campbell and a new place in Mt. View. Or at Stay Gold BBQ in Oakland.

I've set aside 12 bottles so far. I have a Wendouree somewhere. So bring a white or bubbly or an older (pre-2005) Aussie cab or Shiraz or a very old syrah from anywhere.

Tentatively, given the huge preconceptions collectively and individually about these wines, sometimes justified, I'm thinking starting out tinfoil-blind on the reds.
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#2 Post by Wes Barton » December 22nd, 2018, 3:10 pm

What's the new place in MV?
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#3 Post by Craig G » December 22nd, 2018, 4:34 pm

I have to check my dingo for ticks that day.
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#4 Post by George Chadwick » December 22nd, 2018, 6:48 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
December 22nd, 2018, 3:10 pm
What's the new place in MV?
Sommelier said he'd be happy to have us. Very enthusiastic knowledgeable guy in an unusual venue. They don't usually waive corkage but he said he would if we ever go there. Not sure he's allowed to follow through with that so that's all I'll say for now. Not sure he's ever had a wine group for dinner yet.
It's not the Mt. View place I hosted the Williams Selyem dinner last month. That was suboptimal after years of good experiences there.

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#5 Post by George Chadwick » December 22nd, 2018, 7:02 pm

Craig G wrote:
December 22nd, 2018, 4:34 pm
I have to check my dingo for ticks that day.
And every day. They hide in the bush from whence the dingo springs.
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#6 Post by Randy Bowman » December 22nd, 2018, 7:14 pm

If you run short of wines, we still have some older vintages, 1999 to 2005 in the back room. Odds and ends from Two Hands including Aphrodite, Cape d'Estaing, Hazy Blur, Burge Family Draycott, Rusden, Langmeil, Oliver's Taranga, Tatiarra, Greenock Creek and Hundred Acre Ancient Ways. Maybe more that Carrie hid. Friends and family pricing of course.

The last few 2003 and 2004 Shiraz we opened tasted nothing like when we first bought them and I was totally surprised that a high octane, over extracted Shiraz would turn into a wine I would have identified as a Northern Rhone.
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#7 Post by George Chadwick » December 23rd, 2018, 9:31 am

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December 22nd, 2018, 7:14 pm
If you run short of wines, we still have some older vintages, 1999 to 2005 in the back room. Odds and ends from Two Hands including Aphrodite, Cape d'Estaing, Hazy Blur, Burge Family Draycott, Rusden, Langmeil, Oliver's Taranga, Tatiarra, Greenock Creek and Hundred Acre Ancient Ways. Maybe more that Carrie hid. Friends and family pricing of course.

The last few 2003 and 2004 Shiraz we opened tasted nothing like when we first bought them and I was totally surprised that a high octane, over extracted Shiraz would turn into a wine I would have identified as a Northern Rhone.
Exactly. And some remain with that weird synergy of American tasting oak and cherry fruit. Hence the dinner. I hope for some of each. As for alcohol I think that's a vintage thing in Barossa. 2001 avoid despite Parker incorrectly equating it to the much better 2002. 1996 the opposite, beautifully balanced but not enough oomph to age. High alcohol oaky Australian Grenache epitomizes the worst.

Then there are the lovely regions, Beechworth and Western Australia.

Do you have a list? Aphrodite would be great. Thanks!

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#8 Post by George Chadwick » December 23rd, 2018, 9:48 am

Last week I had side by side the 1997 Roennfeldt and a 2006 Alban Reva syrah. The former was an exact ringer for a 2001 La Mouline but better, and the latter an exact ringer for a too young and therefore still too oaky Chris Ringland but not as good. I mean exact.

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#9 Post by Richard Leland » December 24th, 2018, 9:53 am

If it ends up in SF please count me in.
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#10 Post by Eric Ifune » December 24th, 2018, 10:11 am

Is there a date set?

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#11 Post by George Chadwick » December 24th, 2018, 6:14 pm

Eric if it's in SF it will probably be the last Sunday in January. It depends on who wants to attend and when. So far it's unanimous meaning Richard.

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#12 Post by Eric Lundblad » December 25th, 2018, 11:10 pm

I'm in if it's in SF or oakland! Woo Hoo.
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#13 Post by George Chadwick » December 26th, 2018, 1:40 am

Eric Lundblad wrote:
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I'm in if it's in SF or oakland! Woo Hoo.
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#14 Post by erinmcgrath » December 26th, 2018, 11:26 am

I'm in as usual if it's in SF! Great idea George.
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#15 Post by George Chadwick » December 26th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Found some more 1998's in my cellar it'll be quite the retrospective

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#16 Post by Randy Bowman » December 26th, 2018, 7:41 pm

George here's a partial:

Cabernet:
2000 Katnook Estate Odyssey Coonawarra
2002 Troll Creek Barossa Valley
2003 Rusden Boundaries Barossa Valley
2005 Two Hands Aphrodite Barossa Valley

Shiraz:
2000 Dutschke Oscar Semmler Barossa Valley
2001 Oliver's Taranga
2002 Greenock Creek Seven Acre Barossa Valley
2003 Barossa Valley Old Vine
2003 Cape d Estaing Kangaroo Island
2003 Hazyblur Barossa Valley
2003 Rusden Black Guts Barossa Valley
2003 Tatiarra Heathcote Cambrian
2003 Torbreck Run Rig 3 liter (may have a couple 750s somewhere)
2003 Two Hands Bad Impersonator Barossa Valley
2004 Burge Family Dracott Barossa Valley
2004 Hazyblur The Invictus Limited Release
2004 Hundred Acre Ancient Way Barossa Valley
2004 Shirvington McLaren VAle
2005 De Lisio Krystina McLaren Vale
2005 Torbreck The Descendant Barossa Valley

Red Blend:
2000 Majella The Malleea
2004 Torbreck The Pict Barossa Valley Mataro
2004 Torbreck The Steading Barossa Valley
2004 Two Hands Brave Faces
2004 Two Hands Yesterday's Hero
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#17 Post by Eric Ifune » December 27th, 2018, 10:28 am

Won't be able to make it. Sounds like a fun tasting. I've a few older Aussies myself.

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#18 Post by Betty C » December 27th, 2018, 10:33 am

I'm in for SF or Oakland!
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#19 Post by George Chadwick » December 28th, 2018, 3:08 pm

Randy Bowman wrote:
December 26th, 2018, 7:41 pm
George here's a partial:

Cabernet:
2000 Katnook Estate Odyssey Coonawarra
2002 Troll Creek Barossa Valley
2003 Rusden Boundaries Barossa Valley
2005 Two Hands Aphrodite Barossa Valley

Shiraz:
2000 Dutschke Oscar Semmler Barossa Valley
2001 Oliver's Taranga
2002 Greenock Creek Seven Acre Barossa Valley
2003 Barossa Valley Old Vine
2003 Cape d Estaing Kangaroo Island
2003 Hazyblur Barossa Valley
2003 Rusden Black Guts Barossa Valley
2003 Tatiarra Heathcote Cambrian
2003 Torbreck Run Rig 3 liter (may have a couple 750s somewhere)
2003 Two Hands Bad Impersonator Barossa Valley
2004 Burge Family Dracott Barossa Valley
2004 Hazyblur The Invictus Limited Release
2004 Hundred Acre Ancient Way Barossa Valley
2004 Shirvington McLaren VAle
2005 De Lisio Krystina McLaren Vale
2005 Torbreck The Descendant Barossa Valley

Red Blend:
2000 Majella The Malleea
2004 Torbreck The Pict Barossa Valley Mataro
2004 Torbreck The Steading Barossa Valley
2004 Two Hands Brave Faces
2004 Two Hands Yesterday's Hero
2005 Two Hands Brave Faces
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Thank you Randy! The main one that would bring a
different perspective to what I already have -- so far I have maybe 30 separate bottlings, all pre-2005, and need to narrow it down -- would be Aphrodite and that would be too young and powerful next to 1998 Shirazes. Thank you for the very kind offer. If I knew anything about the 2000 Katnook cab I'd jump on it. Bad year though. May you PM me about that wine?

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#20 Post by George Chadwick » December 28th, 2018, 3:10 pm

Eric Ifune wrote:
December 27th, 2018, 10:28 am
Won't be able to make it. Sounds like a fun tasting. I've a few older Aussies myself.
Ok. After the Aussies, the next narrow-themed dinner I host will probably be Rhys because I have so many.

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#21 Post by George Chadwick » December 30th, 2018, 12:12 am

Tonight I had the 2002 Hobbs Shiraz (no, not Paul Hobbs, this is the next door neighbor of Chris Ringland's Three Rivers vineyard). Calmed down, great acidity (!!), outstanding wine. I sampled at the restaurant (Prima) glasses of Barolo, Banyuls, and Etna Rosso, and this was clearly on a much higher level of quality than all three.

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#22 Post by George Chadwick » December 31st, 2018, 8:49 pm

Tonight was the 2002 Aquilon Garnacha, which is basically Alto Moncayo Reserve. Same winemaker as the 2002 Hobbs. Oakier but great deep complex wine. Much better than on release.

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#23 Post by AndyK » January 2nd, 2019, 7:20 am

Sounds super interesting, I’d love to join if it’s in SF or MV (or Oakland if it’s a weekend)
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#24 Post by Craig G » January 2nd, 2019, 11:02 am

I’m still trying to arrange my travel schedule so I can be out of the country for this.
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#25 Post by George Chadwick » January 4th, 2019, 12:03 pm

Last night 1998 Maxwell Lime Cave Cabernet. Very good acidity, getting leaner , no oak, clean and balanced, very good cab.

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#26 Post by Darren Delmore » January 8th, 2019, 7:03 am

I would love to attend if possible. And I hear Michael Twelftree from Two Hands will be in SF the last three days of January... wonder if I could lure him in for this?
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#27 Post by George Chadwick » January 8th, 2019, 7:38 am

Darren that would be great. He stayed at my house once many years ago when he was selling wine but not yet making it .

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#28 Post by Alan Rath » January 8th, 2019, 8:42 am

It's on my calendar

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#29 Post by George Chadwick » January 9th, 2019, 1:06 pm

Confirmed today with our usual venue for 3:30 Sunday January 27th on the water in the Marina district in SF. All are welcome.

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#30 Post by Michael O'Brien » January 9th, 2019, 3:20 pm

I have a couple of magnums of 2003 d'Arenberg but have no idea if I should open them. Any recommendations. Bought them on a whim at a very low price.
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#31 Post by AndyK » January 9th, 2019, 6:13 pm

George Chadwick wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 1:06 pm
Confirmed today with our usual venue for 3:30 Sunday January 27th on the water in the Marina district in SF. All are welcome.
Too bad, I can't do the 27th... I'll join next time if I'm allowed ;) Enjoy those wines!
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#32 Post by George Chadwick » January 9th, 2019, 8:05 pm

Michael O'Brien wrote:
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I have a couple of magnums of 2003 d'Arenberg but have no idea if I should open them. Any recommendations. Bought them on a whim at a very low price.
Show up without them I'll have a lot of wine there. It'll give you an idea of when to open them. Dead Arm ages well.

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#33 Post by Yao C » January 9th, 2019, 10:20 pm

I'll be there with Winfred! Looking forward to it :)
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#34 Post by George Chadwick » January 9th, 2019, 11:10 pm

Yao C wrote:
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I'll be there with Winfred! Looking forward to it :)
Winfred will definitely like a couple of these

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#35 Post by Michael O'Brien » January 12th, 2019, 10:28 am

George Chadwick wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Michael O'Brien wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 3:20 pm
I have a couple of magnums of 2003 d'Arenberg but have no idea if I should open them. Any recommendations. Bought them on a whim at a very low price.
Show up without them I'll have a lot of wine there. It'll give you an idea of when to open them. Dead Arm ages well.
Thanks George. Sorry I can't make it. Long trip from Plano, Texas to San Francisco and it is scheduled for Berserker Day. I will be staring at my computer screen all day.
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