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Re: Pre-1998 Williams Selyem: Mountain View (Sf Bay) Tues.10/23

#51 Post by ERPark » October 14th, 2018, 8:49 pm

Since my cellar lacks any American PN older than 2004, I'll bring some bubbles.......
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Re: Pre-1998 Williams Selyem: Mountain View (Sf Bay) Tues.10/23

#52 Post by George Chadwick » October 14th, 2018, 9:19 pm

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October 14th, 2018, 6:53 pm
Looks like we’ll have up to 14 people. I’m wondering if we should use measuring beakers for pouring? With that many folks, it’s pretty easy to take too large a pour.
I'm going to bring doubles when possible. I think the only issue will be people wanting seconds on Gene's bubbles. The WS won't be an issue.
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Re: Pre-1998 Williams Selyem: Mountain View (Sf Bay) Tues.10/23

#53 Post by George Chadwick » October 14th, 2018, 9:24 pm

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October 14th, 2018, 8:01 pm
Please put me on the wait list. It looks like I’ll be in town.
You're in, as long as you follow through with our arrangement and give me the negatives as well as all copies.

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#54 Post by ATaylor » October 15th, 2018, 2:37 pm

Put me in front of Craig on the waitlist
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Please put me on the wait list. It looks like I’ll be in town.
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#55 Post by Craig G » October 15th, 2018, 2:42 pm

ATaylor wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 2:37 pm
Put me in front of Craig on the waitlist
Craig G wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 8:01 pm
Please put me on the wait list. It looks like I’ll be in town.
In fact, you can have the waitlist all to yourself. I’m confirmed!
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#56 Post by George Chadwick » October 15th, 2018, 10:29 pm

Craig G wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 2:42 pm
ATaylor wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 2:37 pm
Put me in front of Craig on the waitlist
Craig G wrote:
October 14th, 2018, 8:01 pm
Please put me on the wait list. It looks like I’ll be in town.
In fact, you can have the waitlist all to yourself. I’m confirmed!
Not even, Andrew is #2 on waitlist by several hours.

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#57 Post by Craig G » October 15th, 2018, 10:51 pm

You should make him #3 so he has some personal space.
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#58 Post by Alan Rath » October 16th, 2018, 9:03 am

Craig G wrote:
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You should make him #3 so he has some personal space.
He is already #3. #1 is a redacted secret attendee. I have my fingers crossed it's Bert. Or Ernie.
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#59 Post by Eric Lundblad » October 22nd, 2018, 6:26 pm

Unfortunately I'm under the weather, and need to get/stay healthy for the rest of my wine that's still fermenting. So I'm gonna have to cancel so some deserving wait list person can enjoy. Have a great time.
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#60 Post by George Chadwick » October 22nd, 2018, 8:15 pm

See updated attendance.

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#61 Post by Craig G » October 22nd, 2018, 8:38 pm

I have a scheduling problem and will probably not be able to get there until about 8-8:15pm, but I’ll be there. I have a 1997 Dehlinger Reserve Pinot Noir.
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#62 Post by George Chadwick » October 22nd, 2018, 9:03 pm

Craig G wrote:
October 22nd, 2018, 8:38 pm
I have a scheduling problem and will probably not be able to get there until about 8-8:15pm, but I’ll be there. I have a 1997 Dehlinger Reserve Pinot Noir.
Sounds good, thanks.

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#63 Post by AndyK » October 23rd, 2018, 7:26 am

I’ll bring a 2000 Nikolaihof Riesling Vinothek. See you soon!
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#64 Post by Larry Stein » October 23rd, 2018, 7:49 am

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#65 Post by ChrisStags » October 23rd, 2018, 10:46 am

Most likely bring a somewhat older Krug MV edition.
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#66 Post by Alan Rath » October 23rd, 2018, 12:17 pm

Since this is an American wine theme, I'm bringing a Copain Chardonnay.
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#67 Post by George Chadwick » October 23rd, 2018, 12:45 pm

I packed 11 bottles this morning, 9 WS and two old US pinots, and I'm happy about the lineup and the fills. Definitely includes some of the best wines Burt Williams made.

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#68 Post by George Chadwick » October 23rd, 2018, 12:47 pm

Blind on the WS or not blind?

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#69 Post by Alan Rath » October 23rd, 2018, 12:52 pm

I vote non-blind. I doubt enough of us know most of the wines well enough to draw many conclusion from a bunch of bagged bottles.
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#70 Post by Larry Stein » October 23rd, 2018, 1:03 pm

Non-blind. Also, it sounds like 2 flights since we won’t have enough glasses to pour them all at once.

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#71 Post by AndyK » October 23rd, 2018, 1:50 pm

Also vote for non blind and I’d say it makes sense to do even 3 flights... But up to you :-)
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#72 Post by George Chadwick » October 23rd, 2018, 3:57 pm

Very helpful, thanks, three (perhaps four) nonblind flights it is. My only reason for blind was so that people wouldn't take giant pours of the Rochiolis or the 94 Allen while others got none. Three flights are a great idea and accomplish the same thing. My preference for flights:

First flight (1) oldest WS wines and (2) non-WS old pinots
Including:
-Two Williams Selyem Martinelli-owned Jackass Hill Vineyard zins: 1979 or so under the pre-WS Hacienda del Rio label (not sure about the wine's source or vintage), and 1992 "RRV" zin, the transition year, the final year they got the JH fruit but the only year they were no longer allowed to call it Martinelli Vineyard
-1978-79 (one bottle total) Santa Cruz Mt. Vineyard pinot, Ken Burnap era
-1993 WS RRV pinot, which might surprise. If there are any old pinots brought by guests, this could be in the second of four flights
-Whatever my eleventh bottle is, I forget

Second flight the three Allens 94 95 96

Last flight the two Rochiolis 95 and 96, plus a Rochioli Rochioli 1995 West Block Reserve
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#73 Post by Larry Stein » October 23rd, 2018, 4:01 pm

Does anyone have a beaker or two? That will prevent overpouring. Also, I suggest they be Bott poured (one person pours one wine for everyone, keeping the bottle horizontal the entire time so as to not shake up the sediment)

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#74 Post by Alan Rath » October 23rd, 2018, 4:18 pm

Don't have any beakers, we can just be vigilant about pours.
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#75 Post by George Chadwick » October 23rd, 2018, 4:27 pm

Larry Stein wrote:
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Does anyone have a beaker or two? That will prevent overpouring. Also, I suggest they be Bott poured (one person pours one wine for everyone, keeping the bottle horizontal the entire time so as to not shake up the sediment)
I prefer one person stands up and pours each. It won't delay anything because in the meantime there will be so many other wines to try. Bott pour?

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#76 Post by George Chadwick » October 23rd, 2018, 4:28 pm

Again we might run into some brett

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#77 Post by Larry Stein » October 23rd, 2018, 4:30 pm

Reference to the person who runs the tasting group I attend (Alan attends, too).

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#78 Post by Alan Rath » October 23rd, 2018, 4:44 pm

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Again we might run into some brett
George Brett? Brett Kavanaugh? Brett Jones? Bridget Jones? Jones Family? Family Stone? This dinner is looking better and better!
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#79 Post by Craig G » October 23rd, 2018, 4:55 pm

Please save a pour for me.
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#80 Post by Sean_S » October 23rd, 2018, 11:27 pm

Wow!. George u rock!

Great Choices Team! I loved tasting across Cali tonight in Chard's. Along with a couple of great champagnes and rieslings
This group has some random good Karma with wine choices despite our lack planning (Except for Jorge).

Ya'll Blow my mind.

For me the '96 and the whole run , were rock solid. Where was the brett I heard rumours of? It was subtle at best. 2nd to last flight was totally Rockstar!

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#81 Post by George Chadwick » October 24th, 2018, 12:05 am

I felt that a couple of the Williams Selyems were great microcosms of the whole Burt Williams era and style and I'm grateful for that.
The whites and bubbles people brought were awesome and no two were alike.

93 RRV, 96 Allen were great examples of delicious WS wines. Hedonistic three dimensional.

94 Allen and 96 Rochioli were world class sneaky perfect acidity, Europe lookalike, great wines.

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#82 Post by AndyK » October 24th, 2018, 7:53 am

Last night was a blast! Thanks for organizing, George!

I agree 94 Allen and 96 Rochioli were the highlights out of the WS flights. Super interesting and educating tasting through all of these wines!!

Here's a list of wines for anyone who's interested, please add/correct if I missed anything:

Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvée Edition 160eme
2002 Pommery Champagne Cuvée Louise Brut
2000 Nikolaihof Riesling Vinothek
2002 Karthäuserhof Eitelsbacher Karthäuserhofberg Riesling Kabinett
2002 Mount Eden Vineyards Chardonnay Santa Cruz Mountains
2010 Littorai Chardonnay Thieriot Vineyard
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Kistler Vineyard
2015 Copain Chardonnay Dupratt Vineyard
1979(?) Hacienda Del Rio Winery Zinfandel Sonoma County Hillside Vines
1991 Williams Selyem Zinfandel Russian River Valley
1978/1979 Santa Cruz Mountain Vineyard Pinot Noir
1997 Dehlinger Pinot Noir Reserve
1993 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Russian River Valley
1997 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast
1994 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Allen Vineyard
1995 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Allen Vineyard
1996 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Allen Vineyard
1995 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Rochioli Vineyard
1996 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir Rochioli Vineyard
1995 J. Rochioli Pinot Noir West Block Reserve

The only thing I would change next time is the venue. It was pretty crammed (even with only 12 people) and food was expensive for what it was...
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#83 Post by George Chadwick » October 24th, 2018, 9:35 am

Andreas thanks for the list.

Yes, besides the wrong sized crowded table which irritated me as soon as I arrived, I was especially disappointed in the corkage. Common courtesy to me means we should have been charged $150 less than we were. But Mike, the guy who has always hosted me, with great kindness, at the restaurant and with whom I organized the dinner, showed up only at the end with some serious family issues and was out of it. Instead we dealt with the manager whom I have never met, or spoken to, before, in several trips to the restaurant. He showed some inappropriate attitude before the dinner (but then got friendlier). I'm not hosting a wine dinner at that restaurant again. But Los Gatos seems too far for most of the group.

But it was a ton of fun. Thanks Sean for driving me home.

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#84 Post by Ian Alper » October 24th, 2018, 2:52 pm

George -thanks so much for pulling this off. It was great to meet some of the folks from the board and pop some corks. Very impressed with everyone - from the wines they brought to the fact that there always seemed enough to go around.

The list above missed the 1992 Santa Cruz Mountains Estate that we had in the second flight.

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#85 Post by Larry Stein » October 24th, 2018, 7:53 pm

Yes, thanks so much, George! All the Allen wines were terrific (1994 was a total wow! wine). Also, loved the '93 RRV and '96 Rochioli! The '01 Zin was quite a surprise, too! 15.5% alc and there's no way it seemed that high. Great balance on that wine.

Ian, thanks for the tomatoes! Only thing I had to do was take Sandi out for dinner as a bribe so that she'd process all those.

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#86 Post by George Chadwick » October 25th, 2018, 2:40 am

Yes Ian thanks, I get to eat real tomatoes for a change.

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