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#51 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 25th, 2018, 1:59 pm

O k here's the final scoop as long as this works for everyone. Will byob was unable to do an early start time as they can't give us the table for the whole evening on a Friday. However if we start at 8 pm which is fine with several of us including me Chris and Brian, they can give us the table for 3 hours or so which should work. The price is $85 for a 5 course meal. They will custom tailor a menu to our wants and will provide 10 -12 stems per person which is a nice luxury for a blind tasting. In my opinion esp considering the food and they are renting glassware it is reasonable. As long as no one objects I say we go with it.

Last question would folks prefer single blind or double blind ?

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#52 Post by ChristopherSK » July 25th, 2018, 3:19 pm

I am more than up for Will. I favor single blind for one reason. That way we can all discuss among ourselves what wines we have and could potentially bring, which then allows us to fine tune the selections to particular courses.
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#53 Post by Ted Erfer » July 27th, 2018, 11:40 am

Do we really need 10-12 stems each?
I have done a bunch of wine dinners there and we never used that many.

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#54 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 27th, 2018, 1:16 pm

Ted Erfer wrote:Do we really need 10-12 stems each?
I have done a bunch of wine dinners there and we never used that many.

I totally see your point Ted, and pretty much agree. No events with my group, or any others recently attended had that many glasses. The reason it came up, was because Ben the manager, had proposed it, and I know some people prefer it . Perhaps we should just do 4 red wine glasses for a blind fight of the bordeaux and then Cabs. Then perhaps 2 champagne flutes as 2 btls makes sense for this size crowd. Personally I drink a lot of bubbly. A couple of splits of sauternes or a full btl would be nice to end with. That would be 11 btls total. Does that make sense ?

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#55 Post by Brian Tuite » July 27th, 2018, 1:30 pm

I drink my bubbles from a regular wine glass either pinot or bdx.
I wouldn’t expect a flight to be more than three or four wines at the most. Table get crowded and it makes it tough to keep track of what’s what.
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#56 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 27th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Agreed champagne glasses look festive but don't improve taste to me. Looks like 4 bdx glasses and a dessert glass works, as long as folks like to end with a sauternes.

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#57 Post by ChristopherSK » July 27th, 2018, 5:37 pm

I have about 30 of an in between type of glass that I mostly use for Champagne and Sauterne as it is compact but not
a flute, but has enough of a bowl to allow a Champagne to open up. Is there a way to post a picture of it on here? I could easily bring it to Will. As I often dine at some of the more inexpensive byobs in Philly, I usually bring my own glasses. Over the years more and more of the hard core Phillybyobers also byog.
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#58 Post by Brian Tuite » July 27th, 2018, 9:41 pm

ChristopherSK wrote: Is there a way to post a picture of it on here? I could easily bring it to Will.
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#59 Post by ChristopherSK » August 3rd, 2018, 1:35 pm

Here is the glass, with a 750 ml and a Bordeaux half bottle to give size perspective. TY Brian for pointing out the path to picture posting enlightenment!
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#60 Post by Brian Tuite » August 3rd, 2018, 2:04 pm

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#61 Post by ChristopherSK » August 3rd, 2018, 2:30 pm

BTW, not that we have to do this on the 21st, but I have found that German Riesling Spatlese or Kabinetts work real well with early courses. The 7 to 8% alcohol also comes in handy to reduce the amount of alcohol during a wine dinner. The Riesling pictured here, a very small Mosel vineyard with a steep slope, came in at only 7% alcohol.
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#62 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 6th, 2018, 4:23 pm

Ted Erfer wrote:Do we really need 10-12 stems each?
I have done a bunch of wine dinners there and we never used that many.
Come on you Philistines, don't you know how to do a proper wine dinner?

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#63 Post by Erich Sachse » August 6th, 2018, 5:22 pm

One lonely bottle and all those empty glasses? I’d prefer the Philly-stine way...

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#64 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 8th, 2018, 11:36 am

Erich Sachse wrote:You’ve gone soft Dr Foley!
Complain to Steve C! It was his wine dinner (head cut off in the photo).

I think we shared a 1967 Ch Latour a Pomerol half bottle before everyone arrived (which was lovely).
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#65 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » August 18th, 2018, 7:54 am

Please put me on the waitlist.
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#66 Post by Brian Tuite » August 18th, 2018, 2:41 pm

Steve Eisenhauer wrote:
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Please put me on the waitlist.
Added you to the list Steve. Joshua got bumped to the attendee list when Erez had to bow out so the current waitlist has 3 person on it. Jonathan, has Dennis confirmed?
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#67 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » August 18th, 2018, 3:15 pm

Thanks, Brian.
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#68 Post by Jonathan Sirot » August 18th, 2018, 11:16 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
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Please put me on the waitlist.
Added you to the list Steve. Joshua got bumped to the attendee list when Erez had to bow out so the current waitlist has 3 person on it. Jonathan, has Dennis confirmed?
Yes Brian Dennis and Windy have confirmed thanks !

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#69 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » August 22nd, 2018, 6:38 pm

I have another engagement which I must attend that night. Please remove me from the waiting list.
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#70 Post by Mike Grammer » August 29th, 2018, 11:34 am

I was with some of the gang at Will a few years ago. The experience was excellent.

We did "The Judgment of Altadena" at Paul Hiyake's place for my last evening of my California trip. It was a ton of fun. Hope you guys will enjoy a similar experience.

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#71 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 1st, 2018, 1:20 pm

I sent all attendees a detailed PM regarding the terms the restaurant has set forth. Please if everyone can confirm that they are ok with it within the next few days that would be great. Thanks ! If there are any questions or concerns please msg me but I think I covered it all.

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#72 Post by ChristopherSK » September 2nd, 2018, 8:47 am

Jonathan, I did not get the PM. I don't mind having to prepay Will for the costs via credit card, other than what I think would have to be tax and tip which I am guessing would need to be paid in cash the day of the event. But it's up to Brian determine what we all should do (i.e., where we should dine) as he set the wheels in motion.
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#73 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 2nd, 2018, 12:46 pm

Chris sent you a phone text

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#74 Post by Brian Tuite » September 2nd, 2018, 2:21 pm

Whatever they need to do is fine with me. I’ll contact yon Jonathan.
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#75 Post by ChristopherSK » September 11th, 2018, 2:08 pm

Hi Brian and all. For the list of what all we are bringing to the dinner, please put me down for a bottle of Bordeaux and an aged (but drinking very well) Sauterne. As I am local it's no problem for me to bring along those perfect for Champagne and/or Sauterne glasses. Also, Will only has a few decanters. I can bring some decanters if needed as I picked up a dozen smallish (34 oz) carafes from Ikea for a mere $1.49 plus tax; I figured they would come in handy for offlines even though they don't have very much swirl room.
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#76 Post by Joshua Roberts » September 12th, 2018, 12:35 pm

What is the stem situation? I was not able to follow the thread. I can bring some cheap Ikea stems which use for tastings. Small bowls, but they get the job done for smaller pours.

I will bring a sparkly starter we can enjoy while we are getting situated. In terms of main course stuff, do we have an age preference to try and stay relatively within the same year range? I am local and can audible at last second to balance things out once I get a sense of what others are bringing.

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#77 Post by ChristopherSK » September 16th, 2018, 4:59 pm

Hey JR. Stems are being provided, unless something changes; I am bringing some glasses for champagne as noted in an earlier post. No age preferences were stated, although "I would think" that our goal will be to bring something that will be able to open up within an hour to two hours at most with a decant. Check page one for a listing of what each person has indicated they are bringing; Jonathan is also bringing a sparkler, and I for one certainly don't mind multiple sparklers as an aperitif.
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#78 Post by Brian Tuite » September 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm

My wines will be on the younger side but I’ll do my best to get them sufficient air before coming to the restaurant. The restaurant is supplying stems.

From the OP:

5 days out so let’s sew up the loose ends.
  • Please bring cash in order to make payment easier on everyone. After tip and tax the bill will be $110 per person.
  • In order to see if we have enough wines from each side of the pond can folks chime in with whether they are bringing one or the other or both? Thanks!
  • If, for any reason, you cannot make it please let me know in advance as I am personally guaranteeing full payment for all with the restaurant. We have a waitlist to fill in.
  • Hopefully Florence does not create travel problems for anyone.
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#79 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 17th, 2018, 12:57 pm

Ok Dennis has informed me that he is bringing a California right bank styled wine and a Bordeaux. He is also bringing a Riesling as he always does so, as his wife Windy loves them. Just to clarify, as far as I know I don't think Chris is bringing a bubbly, but Josh and I both are. It was probably confusing as he mentioned the btl I was bringing in his post.

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#80 Post by Brian Tuite » September 17th, 2018, 1:09 pm

OP fixed and updated 9-17
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#81 Post by ChristopherSK » September 17th, 2018, 1:14 pm

Brian, is it possible that you could bring more wine on the 21st??
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#82 Post by Brian Tuite » September 17th, 2018, 1:55 pm

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Brian, is it possible that you could bring more wine on the 21st??
[snort.gif] My WineCheck holds 12 bottles. [wink.gif]
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#83 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 17th, 2018, 2:05 pm

Oh and I almost forgot, Dennis has informed me that he is also probably bringing a sauternes too. So that makes 4 bottles between him and Windy. He is always very generous with both quality and quantity at my events, but Brian you take the cake this time. Looks like we will have 16 or 17 bottles total with 3 bottles of bubbly. Great by me ! Especially with the sauternes, perhaps we should request some foie gras. I realize they comped some last time but if we make a specific request we will definitely have some. What do others think ? Or should we just let chef decide ?

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#84 Post by Joshua Roberts » September 18th, 2018, 9:48 am

I'll go with a Bdx to balance things out.

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#85 Post by ChristopherSK » September 18th, 2018, 3:48 pm

response to Jonathan...........when you mention adding on fois gras, I think of the boatload of wine we will have, and that we will have plenty of food. Thus, what comes to mind is that adding anything more would be akin to offering Mr. Creosote a "paper thin mint". Mr. Creosote is my favorite Monty Python character.
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#86 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » September 18th, 2018, 3:51 pm

What wine are you pairing with edible flowers? [wow.gif]
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#87 Post by ChristopherSK » September 18th, 2018, 4:17 pm

edible flowers??? Riesling of course.
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#88 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 18th, 2018, 7:37 pm

Ted will be bringing a cabernet and Erich will be bringing a bordeaux

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#89 Post by ChristopherSK » September 19th, 2018, 9:46 pm

Trying to remember.........is this an 8 pm start time? Or is it 7:30?
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#90 Post by Brian Tuite » September 19th, 2018, 10:00 pm

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#91 Post by Ted Erfer » September 20th, 2018, 10:11 am

If you have not been to Will and are driving ---- there is valet parking. Not free. But parking in that neighborhood is tough. There is a small lot but the whole street is popular places to drink and eat. Will is very small - about 36 seats with no waiting area inside. Weather is supposed to be fine.

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#92 Post by Lee Barnard » September 21st, 2018, 8:40 am

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If you have not been to Will and are driving ---- there is valet parking. Not free. But parking in that neighborhood is tough. There is a small lot but the whole street is popular places to drink and eat. Will is very small - about 36 seats with no waiting area inside. Weather is supposed to be fine.
Sad I didn't respond to this offline in time. But there is also the hospital parking garage at Broad and McKean, which is always completely empty. $5 and one block from Will.

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#93 Post by ChristopherSK » September 21st, 2018, 12:00 pm

Decanter alert! (insert sound of siren) I am bringing 6 decanters together with 12 of those wine glasses for Champagne and Sauterne. Thankfully, I found this large ikea bag with straps that will allow me to easily carry the boxes that hold the wine glasses and decanters the 5 block trek to Will. All praise to Dionysus, Bacchus, Draper and Tchelistcheff!
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#94 Post by Brian Tuite » September 21st, 2018, 3:52 pm

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Decanter alert! (insert sound of siren) I am bringing 6 decanters...
Great job, thanks!
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#95 Post by Jonathan Sirot » September 21st, 2018, 9:36 pm

Thank you to everyone for their generous and plentiful contributions. There were so many great wines it would be hard to pick a favorite
If i had to i would say the 2005 pontet canet was a standout as well as the tetre robeuf and the 1994 Arrowood Merlot was outsranding and when tasted blind which we did could easily be mistaken for a bordeaux

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#96 Post by Steve Gautier » September 22nd, 2018, 10:17 am

Just saw Brian’s pictures on Delectable. Looks like you had a great lineup of wine last night.
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#97 Post by Brian Tuite » September 22nd, 2018, 2:18 pm

Tried to upload photos but I got the old “images cannnot be larger than 1024 pixels high” even though I resized them all to 800x600 when I uploaded them to my image hosting site. Oh well.

Bubbles:
2016 Under the Wire Bedrock - This one was mislabeled, it said Bedrock Zin on the label but it had Chalone Chardonnay in the botttle. I’m surprised nobody called it out.
Egly-Ouriet VP Vieillissement Prolongé - July 2018 disgorgement - lots of popcorn and caramel notes - will 6yrs in lees do that?
Villmart & Cie Grand Cellier - I think that there was one more bubbly, if not then this one had a mousse that exploded in the mouth.

White:
2001 JJ Prüm Graacher Himmelreich Spätlese - This was lovely but I only had a small taste lest get my hand bit off by Windy ;-)

Reds were a plenty and I couldn't Keep track of what was what as it was double blind and informal. There were more than I listed but somehow I didn’t get pics of them. A couple of the Bordeaux were a bit too funky for my taste but the others were doing well. I think the right bank outshined the left in that lineup. Others may disagree but they were hogging it all on the other end of the table so... [whistle.gif]

2005 Château Beau Séjour Bécot Saint-Émilion
2004 Château Angelus Saint-Émilion
2011 Château le Tertre Rôteboeuf Saint-Émilion
Unknown Vintage Pontet Canet

Cali Cab and Blends - no disappointments here although the W&M could have been decanted 24hrs rather than slow ox’d.
2014 Carter The Three King’s ToKalon
1994 Arrowood Sonoma County Merlot en Magnum - Yum
2007 Ghost Horse Shadow
2011 Calluna Estate - a sleeper that some called Bdx
2016 William & Mary Proprietary Red

Dessert wines
1986 Domaine Zind Humbrecht Clos Saint Urbain Gewürztraminer - burnt caramel, not for me, past prime or storage issue.
2005 SQN MrK Noble Man
2014 RYME Aglianico Passito

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Re: Philadelphia Friday Sep 21st - OP UPDATE 9-17

#98 Post by ChristopherSK » September 23rd, 2018, 11:17 am

I thought the WOTN was the 1994 "Speciale Reserve" from Arrowood. (TY Dennis) Historically Arrowood Merlot and Cab SR's have demonstrated incredible ageworthiness before showing tertiary flavors. Here's how amazing that wine was. As only half of the magnum was drunk on Friday, Jonathan corked it up (no vacum vin) and we drank the rest of it at the NJ Offline. Was it faded........hell no! It was the WOTN imho on Saturday night too. My second favorite wine on Friday was the 2005 Pontet Canet. (TY Erich) My third was the Egly-Ouriet (TY Joshua).....I could have drunk the whole bottle of that.

Disclaimer, I do not have a new world palate.
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Re: Philadelphia Friday Sep 21st - OP UPDATE 9-17

#99 Post by Erich Sachse » September 23rd, 2018, 7:33 pm

Thanks all for a great evening — really good selection of wines and good to see old friends and make new ones. A generous group.

The Arrowood was the biggest surprise for me - had it pegged as a 15ish year old right bank. Some solid choices all around.

Thanks Jonathan for keeping us arranged despite being an out-of-Towner, and Brian for giving us the occasion to get together.

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