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#1 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 19th, 2010, 10:06 am

Please see the rules posted above.

25 post minimum to create a new thread/post your offer to Commerce Corner. This is done in order to prevent drive-by posts from users who have not yet established themselves as part of the community. Commerce Corner is designed as a benefit to those who are active in this community. If it is determined that you use Commerce Corner solely for financial gain, without any valuable contribution to the community as a whole, your access to Commerce Corner will be removed.

NO public comments about pricing or the thread author's offer on the forum - if you have a comment, criticism, or offer to make, take it to PM, not here.

Retailers/ITB: If you are going to post an offer or LTB here on the forum, you must be a BerserkerBusiness member (contact me via Private Message for details). Your post will show a username in bold blue, which means you are a BerserkerBusiness member, and therefore allowed to make commercial posts here. Commercial posts made by those who are not BerserkerBusiness members will be immediately removed by Moderators.

ADVICE FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS
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Take all precautions you can to ensure the validity of potential buyers and sellers. Caveat emptor - do your homework!

All negotiation should take place as part of the thread, not by email or private message.

As soon as a deal has been agreed, the seller should post a "SOLD" message for that wine within the thread.

Do not comment negatively on prices being asked by a seller. The seller is free to price their wines as they wish.

Do not comment on the quality of a wine being sold. Tastes differ, bottle differ and it is not for others to comment on wines being sold, either positively or negatively.

Using Paypal to pay does incur some transaction charges, but Paypal allows payment by Credit Card. Most Credit Card companies will compensate for online fraud (check the details with your card issuer).

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ADVICE FOR SELLERS
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Members who are regular, active participants in the main forums of wineberserkers.com are likely to have most success in selling wines.

Check the current market value of your wine (using a service like wine-searcher) before setting a price.

State clearly what is being sold (wine identity, vintage, number of bottles or cases, condition, provenance, etc.).

State the price you are asking clearly, or whether you are open to offers. If willing to part-exchange, state this too.

State clearly delivery arrangements and charges. Check likely charges with a service like this one and remember to include insurance if desired. Please make clear any restrictions or conditions on where you will send wine up-front.

Mark an item as "SOLD" as soon as it is sold.


ADVICE FOR BUYERS
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Check prices using wine-searcher. Remember that wine-searcher does not include tax.

It is strongly recommended that all negotiation takes place as part of the thread, not by email or private message. Not only will this minimize the possibility of "gazumping" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazumping), but it also prevents a dishonest seller negotiating with more than one party without other parties being aware. If you purchase a wine please do make sure the seller posts a "SOLD" notice in the thread as soon as the sale is complete.

Do not gazump if a wine is marked as "SOLD".

Consider paying by Paypal so that you may be able to enjoy Credit Card protection. Perhaps suggest covering, or splitting, the Paypal commission with the seller.
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#2 Post by Z. Hu » January 19th, 2010, 3:08 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Please see the rules posted above.

NO public comments about pricing or the thread author's offer on the forum - if you have a comment, criticism, or offer to make, take it to PM, not here.
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#3 Post by jordan whitehead » January 19th, 2010, 3:52 pm

Isn't the first rule of commerce corner, not to talk about commerce corner. [berserker.gif]
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#4 Post by Ken V » January 19th, 2010, 3:54 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Please see the rules posted above.

NO public comments about pricing or the thread author's offer on the forum - if you have a comment, criticism, or offer to make, take it to PM, not here.
How about comments on the age of certain delicate board members? [cry.gif]
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#5 Post by dteng » May 1st, 2010, 12:27 am

K V a s t o l a wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote:Please see the rules posted above.

NO public comments about pricing or the thread author's offer on the forum - if you have a comment, criticism, or offer to make, take it to PM, not here.
How about comments on the age of certain delicate board members? [cry.gif]
As long as it is not an offer to make...
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#6 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 2nd, 2011, 12:20 pm

Update on the rules - no more 10 post count required to create a thread. We'll trust the community (and the everpresent hall monitors on this specific forum) to keep things under control with regard to spammers.
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#7 Post by Thomas K. » April 2nd, 2011, 11:30 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:no more 10 post count required to create a thread.

This seems to have been in place for some time already?
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#8 Post by jordan whitehead » December 2nd, 2011, 10:27 am

where did the "new topic" button go on CC?
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#9 Post by M. Linzbach » December 2nd, 2011, 10:39 am

jordan whitehead wrote:where did the "new topic" button go on CC?

I see it on the bottom left of the forum page directly above Return to Board index.
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#10 Post by jordan whitehead » December 2nd, 2011, 10:41 am

M. Linzbach wrote:
jordan whitehead wrote:where did the "new topic" button go on CC?

I see it on the bottom left of the forum page directly above Return to Board Index.
maybe I have been banned newhere
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#11 Post by jordan whitehead » December 2nd, 2011, 2:05 pm

jordan whitehead wrote:
M. Linzbach wrote:
jordan whitehead wrote:where did the "new topic" button go on CC?

I see it on the bottom left of the forum page directly above Return to Board Index.
maybe I have been banned newhere
Todd F r e n c h wrote: NEW RULE AS OF 11/22/11 - only Donors are allowed to post new topics, i.e. wine for sale. In trying to balance the desires of the community, via feedback I've received, I HAVE allowed newly registered members, with zero post count, to post wine for sale, however, requiring Donor status is at least a small nod to participation in the community. (Reminder, Donor status removes ads from your view, and requires only an annual contribution of $25 or more, via the Donate link above)

duh, first post in this thread explains. Didn't realize there was new info. Am listed as a donor but I guess my status has expired.
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#12 Post by Ed Murray » December 2nd, 2011, 2:21 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote: NEW RULE AS OF 11/22/11 - only Donors are allowed to post new topics, i.e. wine for sale. In trying to balance the desires of the community, via feedback I've received, I HAVE allowed newly registered members, with zero post count, to post wine for sale, however, requiring Donor status is at least a small nod to participation in the community. (Reminder, Donor status removes ads from your view, and requires only an annual contribution of $25 or more, via the Donate link above)
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#13 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 3rd, 2011, 10:21 am

I've rescinded the new rule, and contacted all new Donors (donations made after the rule change) of it, offering refunds as needed.
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#14 Post by Ken V » December 3rd, 2011, 9:21 pm

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#15 Post by c fu » December 28th, 2011, 10:29 pm

I think you should require anyone who has 75% of their post in commerce corner to be donors. I mean one guy had 43 posts total and 40 of them are in CC.
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#16 Post by Jay Henchen » January 2nd, 2012, 12:15 pm

I'm a little confused, is donor status on of pets or a donation to wine berserkers? I'm new here, where can I find feedback on the CC? This looks much like RP's how is the community here?

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#17 Post by zachary l a n g » January 3rd, 2012, 12:18 pm

Jay Henchen wrote:I'm a little confused, is donor status on of pets or a donation to wine berserkers? I'm new here, where can I find feedback on the CC? This looks much like RP's how is the community here?
Donor status is based on donations. If you look on any page, in the upper right, you'll see a button that says "Donate". This is a user supported site, so although completely optional, it is much appreciated by all. Feedback is it's own subforum within the CC forum (you can find it at the top of the CC forum.

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#18 Post by Neal.Mollen » February 19th, 2012, 2:15 pm

Jay Henchen wrote:I'm a little confused, is donor status on of pets or a donation to wine berserkers? I'm new here, where can I find feedback on the CC? This looks much like RP's how is the community here?
I'm not confused about the rules, but I'll admit that this post has me mystified
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#19 Post by Eric LeVine » February 19th, 2012, 2:49 pm

I think he was asking if one can donate their pet for dinner. As here: http://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/vie ... =5&t=61884

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#20 Post by Ken V » February 19th, 2012, 5:12 pm

How did Eric's cat post get this moved to Wine Talk? [scratch.gif]
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#21 Post by C. Grimm » February 21st, 2012, 8:32 pm

Ken V wrote:How did Eric's cat post get this moved to Wine Talk? [scratch.gif]
I was wondering why this wasn't pinned in the Commerce Corner.
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#22 Post by Eric LeVine » February 21st, 2012, 8:34 pm

Awesome, Eric The Disruptor! Very out of character for me.
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#23 Post by Bob Wood » February 23rd, 2012, 11:02 am

Eric LeVine wrote:Awesome, Eric The Disruptor! Very out of character for me.
Nah, I've figured you out. Watch me trigger a disruptive outburst.


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#24 Post by Ken V » February 23rd, 2012, 1:15 pm

Bob Wood wrote:
Eric LeVine wrote:Awesome, Eric The Disruptor! Very out of character for me.
Nah, I've figured you out. Watch me trigger a disruptive outburst.


"My Wines"


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It worked! We're back in CC!

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#25 Post by Andrew L. » March 7th, 2012, 4:27 am

One practice I find strange on this forum is that people bump threads with "SOLD". Given the fact that the author can edit the thread, it is unnecessary, and only serves to move threads with items still for sale off of the first page.
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#26 Post by JoeWolverton » May 4th, 2012, 7:16 pm

Andrew L. wrote:One practice I find strange on this forum is that people bump threads with "SOLD". Given the fact that the author can edit the thread, it is unnecessary, and only serves to move threads with items still for sale off of the first page.
Speaking of the threads renamed "SOLD": Is it possible to just add "SOLD" to the end of the thread title (leaving the name of the wine offered)? It gets a little confusing when you know you saw a wine for sale, then all of a sudden it's nowhere to be found. You may think it would be easy to find out what wine was for sale by opening the thread, but not only does this waste time, it's not always possible:
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#27 Post by Chae Yi » March 18th, 2013, 4:49 pm

Wow, this is fugged up

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#28 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 23rd, 2013, 11:00 am

New 25-post minimum rule now in place. Hoping it works, and hoping that the 'newly registered users' will still be able to post at will elsewhere.
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#29 Post by David K o l i n » July 23rd, 2013, 1:01 pm

Thanks, Todd

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#30 Post by Todd F r e n c h » September 4th, 2014, 10:07 am

I'm bumping this thread because there are several dozen people who have tried to post on Commerce Corner and have their posts in queue, but those posts won't be added to CC because they don't yet meet the minimum post count.

PLEASE read the rules BEFORE posting here...
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#31 Post by xenon yuan » February 20th, 2015, 2:52 pm

can i ask how the "post count" is... well, counted? is it only posts that a member has initiated themselves, or does it include replies?

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#32 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 12th, 2015, 8:48 am

xenon yuan wrote:can i ask how the "post count" is... well, counted? is it only posts that a member has initiated themselves, or does it include replies?
All posts - numbers of threads a user has started is seen only in their profile
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#33 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 12th, 2015, 10:44 am

BUMPING this thread, as I've had several issues today with those who haven't seen it, though it is a 'Read BEFORE Posting' sticky...
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#34 Post by GeoffEwart » April 10th, 2015, 8:48 am

Todd - just to clarify the minimum post count is for all posts or just new threads? Thought it was for new threads but my I haven't seen my responses come out of moderation yet.
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#35 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 25th, 2016, 9:32 am

Bumping this thread because even though the title states 'read BEFORE posting', there are still many who do not...
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#36 Post by Diana E. » December 8th, 2016, 9:53 am

I did a search for liquor laws in my state regarding private sales like this, and I can't find anything. How do I find out if I'm breaking any laws by posting wine here and then shipping it?
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#37 Post by Robert A. Ashley » January 29th, 2017, 6:59 am

Got post count to 26 but no access to sell on cc

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#38 Post by Brian Tuite » January 29th, 2017, 7:54 am

Robert A. Ashley wrote:Got post count to 26 but no access to sell on cc
17 posts in 2hrs. You are reaching Ken V status!

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#39 Post by Robert A » October 12th, 2017, 5:40 pm

Thanks Todd....
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#40 Post by JohnKHola » June 30th, 2018, 12:24 pm

Please help me get to where I need to post my collection of Wine for sale to help in financial crisis.
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#41 Post by Jason P1ckw1ck » August 27th, 2018, 8:11 am

Arg, 25 posts to try and list something!

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#42 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 27th, 2018, 8:19 am

That's correct, John and Jason - it's to encourage participation so new members don't show up on the site with the sole purpose of selling wine for financial gain, yet contribute nothing to the rest of the community. The trust factor is MUCH higher with participating members than with not, and we've had fraud in the (long) past which is why we added the real names policy along with it - this is the best way to protect each member in such transactions.
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#43 Post by Jason P1ckw1ck » August 27th, 2018, 8:22 am

No worries, I'm sure being a part of the community will fan the flames of my wine addiction!

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#44 Post by Todd F r e n c h » August 27th, 2018, 8:41 am

Jason P1ckw1ck wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 8:22 am
No worries, I'm sure being a part of the community will fan the flames of my wine addiction!
I can all but promise that! [cheers.gif]
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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#45 Post by JohnKHola » August 30th, 2018, 11:00 am

Done and thank you.
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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#46 Post by LarsBLOM » September 8th, 2018, 2:30 pm

I did read the rules! Now how do i post an ad selling one bottle of Wine ( Opus One 2000 )?

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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#47 Post by c fu » September 8th, 2018, 2:48 pm

LarsBLOM wrote:
September 8th, 2018, 2:30 pm
I did read the rules! Now how do i post an ad selling one bottle of Wine ( Opus One 2000 )?

With Best Regards

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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#48 Post by Michael Martin » September 8th, 2018, 3:06 pm

LarsBLOM wrote:
September 8th, 2018, 2:30 pm
I did read the rules! Now how do i post an ad selling one bottle of Wine ( Opus One 2000 )?

With Best Regards

Lars
Dude, the very first one in the very first post. neener

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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#49 Post by d.morris » March 9th, 2019, 2:46 pm

I’ve had a sign on for years, 2009 to be exact, and have monitored commerce corner for prices, conversations, and of course berserkerday over that time. I haven’t had anything to sell and I buy my wine and liquor locally in the Portland metro, Willamette Valley, and eastern Washington regions. I have a few bottles of bourbon I would like to part with and would love to finally post. I would much rather deal with berserker folks than wine spectator. I know people monitor both but anyone who has spent time reading knows this would be the preferred community to make a deal in. If an exception could be made I would appreciate it but certainly respect your rules. Thanks

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Re: COMMERCE CORNER RULES (Read BEFORE posting, i.e. 25 post minimum, no retail, etc)

#50 Post by Mark Y » March 9th, 2019, 2:56 pm

d.morris wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 2:46 pm
I’ve had a sign on for years, 2009 to be exact, and have monitored commerce corner for prices, conversations, and of course berserkerday over that time. I haven’t had anything to sell and I buy my wine and liquor locally in the Portland metro, Willamette Valley, and eastern Washington regions. I have a few bottles of bourbon I would like to part with and would love to finally post. I would much rather deal with berserker folks than wine spectator. I know people monitor both but anyone who has spent time reading knows this would be the preferred community to make a deal in. If an exception could be made I would appreciate it but certainly respect your rules. Thanks
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