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#51 Post by Craig G »

If someone speaks to the Denver cops, it may be worth seeing if these wines were reported stolen. I'm sure they would be interested then.
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#52 Post by Justin Bonner »

Just an FYI. His phone number is registered to an Alexandra Greer.

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#53 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Supposedly his phone number is:

(720) 989-9816

It's a cell registered to sprint in his name.

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#54 Post by WayneW »

Does anyone have contact with some of the wineries to find out if this guy is even on the mailing lists for any of the list only wines? Using his email address, street address or name?
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#55 Post by m saskin »

That's a different number (and email) than the one he communicated to me with. The email/phone I've got for Lyndon are below. I also have an address (home?) and bank account information as I wired him money but I'd prefer to share that privately via PM or email rather than post it to the board, so PM me if you're looking for additional details.

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#56 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

That phone number is registered to:

Jerry A Dale, age 71
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#57 Post by Kevin Stine »

Probably just an emotional response, and I should just chalk it up to a lesson learned. When I look back on it, I was pretty stupid. First time I've been burned on the forum.

But, are any of you interested in pooling some money together and hiring a private investigator in Denver to try and find this guy? Between all of the members sharing information, we have a lot of information we can provide.

Probably just throwing that money away. At this point, I just want him to be arrested and have a record.
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#58 Post by Mike Stoneking »

If you wired him money as was mentioned above, I would alert his bank. He has them holding funds from a fraudulent transaction. See what they are able to do if you can show proof of purchase and a trail of no delivery.
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Why hasn't Todd commented on this?
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#60 Post by c fu »

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:Why hasn't Todd commented on this?
I guess you're saying Todd French. Why does he need to comment? If you have a question and want an answer I'm happy to answer.
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#61 Post by Bill Tex Landreth »

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Bill Tex Landreth wrote:Why hasn't Todd commented on this?
I guess you're saying Todd French. Why does he need to comment? If you have a question and want an answer I'm happy to answer.
His forum and his rule on posting in CC (which is absurd in my opinion), there for it happened on his watch and he should comment. Obviously he is sending one of his moderators to keep him distanced from the issue as once again he does not want to be the bad guy here.

I am sorry to see this post from you, Charlie.
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#62 Post by Bill Tex Landreth »

As a follow up, he must have the IP from the original posts here and could narrow down a geographic location.
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#63 Post by ky1em!ttskus »

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:As a follow up, he must have the IP from the original posts here and could narrow down a geographic location.
The geographic location is already known...

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ky1em!ttskus wrote:
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:As a follow up, he must have the IP from the original posts here and could narrow down a geographic location.
The geographic location is already known...
Really? Seems like lots of conflicting info. I would like to see where the posting originated, but that is just me.
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Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
ky1em!ttskus wrote:
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:As a follow up, he must have the IP from the original posts here and could narrow down a geographic location.
The geographic location is already known...
Really? Seems like lots of conflicting info. I would like to see where the posting originated, but that is just me.
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#66 Post by Kevin Stine »

To me this is not a Todd issue. I was stupid and didn't do my homework. Now I am paying for it, but it won't happen again.
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#67 Post by c fu »

The reason I'm involved is because I was the first mod contacted about this issue. So first come first serve. I was contacted by multiple ppl and I have encouraged every one to come on here and post as much info together to find a solution. I also do a lot of the policing on this sub forum as I'm more involved in than any of the other mods.

I have the same ability as Todd to view ip origin. I was asked that at the very beginning privately and I saw nothing out of the ordinary. I'll look through each post later tonight to see if there's anything to glean.

Let's try and keep this on track. Bill if you have a vendetta against Todd this isn't the thread to bring it in. There's a lot of good information being added and I hope we see more. If anyone affected thinks we (the mods) can provide more information I would be happy to help.
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#68 Post by c fu »

I looked up a significant number of his posts through a more comprehensive geo locator than our WHOIS (which sometimes is off) and it shows up as the Denver, Colorado area. Unfortunately it just shows the location of his internet provider Qwest.

So this confirms what I saw before and what everyone is aware of already
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#69 Post by ykwon »

Todd L wrote:I bought two bottles and got them fine.

He used another email address with me, it is:

Alexandra Greer
Ally97g@gmail.com

Hope it helps
PayPal account lists Alexandra Greer. Maybe try working through this person? Obviously this individual is either part of it or is being used.
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#70 Post by Karl K »

I did purchase some wine from OP. When he sent 3 instead of 2 bottles of one lot he did actually credit my paypal.

So I had no real financial loss.

However, the wines received did have some minor label issues. Nothing major but I would have preferred to have known about it. Also the advertising of 3 and shipping 2 was slightly odd.

He later reached out to me to try to sell more, on other lots I had made him an offer on. At that point he said he wasn't accepting electronic payments (I forget his reason why) and asked for a check. I did not affirmatively discount his intentions but I was just extremely busy with work (actually was in Napa - yeah!) and travelling home and it never got to the actionable level on my radar.

Sorry for those of you who got burned. I am willing to meet with any of you sometime if I am nearby and share a bottle to help ease the pain (and mainly to get to know you!)
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#71 Post by m e i s h a n b »

Sorry for the people that got taken advantage of.

When I PM'd him, he was very pushy and couldn't keep his story straight regarding provenance of the wines. Sometimes, he said he was on the mailing list and sometimes he said he bought the exact same wine at auction. So, I didn't buy anything from him.

He also was giving me free shipping on the Plumpjack.

He told me he is in Denver, CO.

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Lyndon J Mcleod, age 43

Locations
Denver, CO
San Antonio, TX
Boerne, TX
Littleton, CO
Oxford, OH

Relatives
Pamela Mcleod
Lee Mcleod


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He also said the following:
"A proposition then:

I'd discount it all (both posts) down from $16,500 to $15,500 and free shipping.

Then I'd envy YOU. ;)

Think it over. Don't say "ok!" right away.

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#72 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Those who used PayPal can file a dispute with them.

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#73 Post by c fu »

FYI for anyone reading this with under 25 posts, you will post and it won't show up because of the forum requirement, I will approve it once I am notified.
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#74 Post by m e i s h a n b »

Thanks Charlie. I'm new here and was wondering if I pushed "delete" instead of "submit". Please disregard my second almost identical comment.

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#75 Post by m e i s h a n b »

Here's what I got from a quick google search. If you got scammed, you might want to call those numbers and see if you can get in touch with him. Or pool your money and hire a PI like someone mentioned earlier.

I wouldn't normally post private information such as this, but given the situation that he scammed so many people...here's the info I found from google. If this isn't appropriate, Charlie the moderator, no need to post. Thanks!

Lyndon Mcleod
Age: 43 Years Old
Location: Denver, CO
May be related to:
Brandee Beauregard, Lee Mcleod, Barry Mcleod

90 S Bryant St, Denver, CO 80219
(303) 469-9947


(210) 698-2383

This person below might be related to him or the landlord.

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#76 Post by Robert Pollard-Smith »

This 11-26-2016 pdf of home sales at the Denver Post tells us that he sold the Bryant St home...

http://extras.denverpost.com/home-sales ... -26-16.pdf

This image from Facebook is your likely culprit...

https://scontent.ford4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=59873B73

This Andrea Mason in Denver is his only listed friend...

https://www.facebook.com/andrea.mason.75641

Oddly, that Andrea Mason lists another Andrea Mason as a friend in Denver...

https://www.facebook.com/andrea.mason.7 ... riends.all
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#77 Post by c fu »

R. Gleiberman wrote:
Todd L wrote:I bought two bottles and got them fine.

He used another email address with me, it is:

Alexandra Greer
Ally97g@gmail.com

Hope it helps
A search of Facebook using that email address brings up a page for a woman by that name and it is a much more established page than the one someone referenced for him earlier. I have to assume that this woman either doesn't want to be associated with a known fraudster or is complicit?
Maybe LaMarche is trying to throw us off LJ's scent?
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#78 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

With regards to location, it's tough to nail that down based on IP addresses as often they show server farms, which may not necessarily be the exact location, or even region.
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#79 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ »

First, sorry to everyone who's been burned. Hope there's some resolution / punishment if it is indeed fraud.

An idea: a "two factor" authentication for commerce corner in particular. Instead of validation through a review of a sale, a WB community member (someone who's met other WBers through tasting cricles or offlines) has to vouch for the person as a member of the wine community (person attends tasting, wine group, local store event, etc..).

As it becomes more obvious for scam artists to game 25 posts / 1-2 positive sale reviews to ultimately dupe later sales, I think tightening the rules around CC at the expense of maybe some "market participation" or crowding out hermits may make sense.
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#80 Post by Karl K »

How about flip to risk profile for newbie participants to CC?

If they are unknown, have them ship product first and then be paid upon receipt. Observe risk of course applies, but seller could discriminate to whom he sells based on some internal WB verification board (list of trustworthy buyers).

Why should buyers take all the risk?
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#81 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ »

Seems to make sense Karl. Newbie needs to authenticate. I won't buy from a newbie unless it is payment upon receipt / inspection going forward.
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Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:First, sorry to everyone who's been burned. Hope there's some resolution / punishment if it is indeed fraud.

An idea: a "two factor" authentication for commerce corner in particular. Instead of validation through a review of a sale, a WB community member (someone who's met other WBers through tasting cricles or offlines) has to vouch for the person as a member of the wine community (person attends tasting, wine group, local store event, etc..).

As it becomes more obvious for scam artists to game 25 posts / 1-2 positive sale reviews to ultimately dupe later sales, I think tightening the rules around CC at the expense of maybe some "market participation" or crowding out hermits may make sense.
That's way too restrictive. We have plenty of long time members who have never been to an offline. It also requires other members to be active in CC, which most are not. I have had many good/great transactions with people I don't think anyone has had wine with.

I think this is the first time we've had this issue, so what we have in place at least works 99% of the time, unfortunately scammers will scam. In this case it's someone who LEGIT completed multiple sales to long time members to set up a later scam. That kind of stuff is hard to stop.

We're thinking of some ideas, but the software is giving us some kickback.
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#83 Post by Chris Blum »

Or people could put on their big boy pants and evaluate their own risk tolerance? Or get rid of commerce corner altogether?

I just don't know if you want to create a system that gives any sort of impression that this is sanctioned.
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#84 Post by ky1em!ttskus »

I'm with Chris' first statement. Assuming Charlie is correct and this is the first time something like this has happened, it seems unreasonable to completely change the system because of what's really a user error.

It sucks big time that anyone lost their $$. But, how many transactions have occurred with no (or eventually solved) issues?

My vote, which is worth what you paid for it, is to keep things the way they are. Be careful or don't play on the playground.

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Chris Blum wrote:
I just don't know if you want to create a system that gives any sort of impression that this is sanctioned.
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#86 Post by Clint S Q U I E R »

Here's what I've done when buying something on Craigslist (or any other forum with no/limited "feedback") for something of decent value - ask the seller if they have an eBay account that has feedback. If they do, communicate with them quickly through eBay just to verify the account they said is theirs really is. If they have a rock solid eBay feedback score, in my mind that translates elsewhere. Or insist on calling them at their workplace to chat for a second. If they refuse to do that, that's a red flag to me.

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#87 Post by jbray23 »

Eric B. DBA wrote:
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:News flash: police won't do anything.
That's not necessarily true as they were quite helpful in turnging the screws on a guy in Arizona who ripped a bunch of people off.
Who's the guy in Arizona? I'm curious if this is the same guy I went after...
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#88 Post by TSimpson »

Just seeing this....I was trying to buy some of his wine but have had a murderous schedule lately and just never had the time to figure out what I wanted. We communicated a bit via PM and he seemed legit. Strange thing here is that SOME people got their wine, some got part of their order, some got none....

I've never seen anything like this before, I mean if he was a total fraud, why send any wine? Seems super disorganized and strange on all fronts, but something isn't adding up here...
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#89 Post by Craig G »

Chris Blum wrote:Or people could put on their big boy pants and evaluate their own risk tolerance? Or get rid of commerce corner altogether?

I just don't know if you want to create a system that gives any sort of impression that this is sanctioned.
I basically agree with this, but just don't count posts in Politics. Let everyone see the posts the person made. I'm quite sure we'd have fewer people out money if they had read all his posts.
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#90 Post by robmundell »

For what it's worth I don't think anything should change with commerce corner. I have made quite a few purchases through here and all of them but this one has worked out perfectly. I made the mistake buying from MCleod the signs were certainly there for me to know better. Totally my responsibility and I missed this one..it happens. I'll track him down soon enough and he will pay.

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#91 Post by SethM »

I have purchased a fair amount of wine from the CC and think it should not be changed. In the digital age this is something we will unfortunately encounter. While it is disappointing that someone has infiltrated our community it was not the first time and will likely not be the last.

To suggest that Todd is somehow responsible for the actions of a con artist is misguided at best. As a community, we should continue to work together to try and mitigate these events in the future. While not involved in this scam there is some good information in this thread and it should be a must read for anyone who is considering a transaction.

Would hate to see wholesale changes due to the actions of one dirt bag.

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SethM wrote:To suggest that Todd is somehow responsible for the actions of a con artist is misguided at best.
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#93 Post by james s kim »

I read Bill's post as not blaming Todd, but for comment/insight since he has ultimate control of the site. That said, why not reevaluate a policy that could possibly eliminate more risk than the current one? If there's a good way to implement a better approach, why not try to improve the anti-fraud rate from 99% to 99.01 or even 99.9%?

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#94 Post by davidsturek »

Clint S Q U I E R wrote:Here's what I've done when buying something on Craigslist (or any other forum with no/limited "feedback") for something of decent value - ask the seller if they have an eBay account that has feedback. If they do, communicate with them quickly through eBay just to verify the account they said is theirs really is. If they have a rock solid eBay feedback score, in my mind that translates elsewhere. Or insist on calling them at their workplace to chat for a second. If they refuse to do that, that's a red flag to me.
Good ideas. Both very easy and most likely effective for the vast majority of common scammers.

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^ +1

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I have never met a trustworthy person who goes by 'LJ'
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awilliamson4 wrote:I have never met a trustworthy person who goes by 'LJ'
I've had same problems with persons first name is Ray.
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#98 Post by ClarkstonMark »

I've probably sold 20+ cases on CC, and will likely sell more at some point, but I wouldn't miss CC if it went away.
Another thought, besides the minimum post count, make another restriction like must be a member for over a year, or 2, or 5 for that matter - that would take away the short term scammers like LJ
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ClarkstonMark wrote:I've probably sold 20+ cases on CC, and will likely sell more at some point, but I wouldn't miss CC if it went away.
Another thought, besides the minimum post count, make another restriction like must be a member for over a year, or 2, or 5 for that matter - that would take away the short term scammers like LJ
We are trying to figure out the board software to allow the account age restriction but it's not letting us implement it in just this subforum.

We will come to a solution. There's just no quick solution like we thought there would be.

We considered even more restrictive options but the board software is giving us some kick back.

Suffice to say we are trying to come up with ways to better protect the WB community. It just might take some time to set it up so it doesn't make things harder for everyone else.
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#100 Post by Kevin Stine »

It looks like I am going to lose $1000. But, I don't blame the forum. I was stupid. There were signs of a fraudulent transaction, but I just ignored them, because I was excited about getting some good wines for a cheap price . It was a learning experience and it won't happen again.

As a relatively new person to this forum, I truly hope that we don't put too stringent requirements. After all, we all bear some responsibility in each transaction that we enter. Craigslist doesn't guarantee m anything
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