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Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 1st, 2019, 10:15 am
by brianmcbrearty
Anybody really know anything about this product?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 1st, 2019, 10:23 am
by jordan whitehead
with Costco's great return policy, worth a shot

front leg or back leg is the question

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 1st, 2019, 2:51 pm
by brianmcbrearty
I didn't know that was the question. I'd imagine it's gonna be the lesser of the two. I do know the difference between $100 a leg jamon and expensive jamon though. And no idea where this thing falls.
And I also know I'm going to suck at slicing it.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 1st, 2019, 3:04 pm
by Nola Palomar
From Cordoba, looks like Jamon Jamon not Paleta (front). I can't get this at this price...go for it!!

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 2nd, 2019, 11:30 am
by brianmcbrearty
The expert from whom I wanted the blessing. Thanks Nola.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 2nd, 2019, 1:35 pm
by Nola Palomar
brianmcbrearty wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 11:30 am
The expert from whom I wanted the blessing. Thanks Nola.
Remember to start it on the thinner, less fatty side, eat it often, and keep it covered when your not slicing it. Do not need to refrigerate it as it is bone in and cured all the way through. and slice in microtome manner!! [wow.gif] Enjoy and enjoy, $500 for a true Bellota Iberico is a treasure.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 2nd, 2019, 2:33 pm
by Scott G r u n e r
How long do this last uncut?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 2nd, 2019, 6:46 pm
by Nola Palomar
A long time. If they get moldy, excellent!! Seriously, that’s how they’re cured. I throw mine in the sink and rinse it with cool water. Wipe off and pat dry w paper towels and lather it with a coating of lard. Dryness and not enjoying it are the worst enemy to a jamon. The holidays are coming up and this is a great tapa as well as and excellent cover dish to share!! Crazy, they must to have gotten them in before the tariff started!

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 6:46 am
by J. D'Antonio
Hi Nola,

What do you think is the maximum ambient room temperature to keep a jamon? Living in a condo, even with the heat off, it can get a bit warm in the winter months, but I'm still tempted to get one for the holiday season. I don't have a cellar or basement to keep it in, obviously. I'm aware of how to maintain the jamon otherwise.

Thanks!

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 11:08 am
by jordan whitehead
J. D'Antonio wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:46 am
Hi Nola,

What do you think is the maximum ambient room temperature to keep a jamon? Living in a condo, even with the heat off, it can get a bit warm in the winter months, but I'm still tempted to get one for the holiday season. I don't have a cellar or basement to keep it in, obviously. I'm aware of how to maintain the jamon otherwise.

Thanks!
when i was in japan in the summer. a restaurant called Bellota in Kyoto had it out all day on the counter

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 11:23 am
by Chris S p i k e s
I glanced across some foodie discussions and they were frequently trying to find out which stores carry it. Why wouldn't one just order it online?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 11:52 am
by Nola Palomar
J. D'Antonio wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:46 am
Hi Nola,

What do you think is the maximum ambient room temperature to keep a jamon? Living in a condo, even with the heat off, it can get a bit warm in the winter months, but I'm still tempted to get one for the holiday season. I don't have a cellar or basement to keep it in, obviously. I'm aware of how to maintain the jamon otherwise.

Thanks!
Most homes in rural Spain even today have no AC or central heating and the Jamones sit on the counter in the kitchen. in the local butcher shops and bars they hang with no problem. I think here in the US we are so afraid of the idea of a cured meat being perfectly fine at ambient temperatures in our well conditioned homes. The Jamon will be 100% perfectly fine! Temperature is not the enemy, it’s drying out from not using it.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 11:54 am
by Nola Palomar
Chris S p i k e s wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 11:23 am
I glanced across some foodie discussions and they were frequently trying to find out which stores carry it. Why wouldn't one just order it online?
I did.... [wow.gif]

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 4:32 pm
by J. D'Antonio
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 11:52 am
J. D'Antonio wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 6:46 am
Hi Nola,

What do you think is the maximum ambient room temperature to keep a jamon? Living in a condo, even with the heat off, it can get a bit warm in the winter months, but I'm still tempted to get one for the holiday season. I don't have a cellar or basement to keep it in, obviously. I'm aware of how to maintain the jamon otherwise.

Thanks!
Most homes in rural Spain even today have no AC or central heating and the Jamones sit on the counter in the kitchen. in the local butcher shops and bars they hang with no problem. I think here in the US we are so afraid of the idea of a cured meat being perfectly fine at ambient temperatures in our well conditioned homes. The Jamon will be 100% perfectly fine! Temperature is not the enemy, it’s drying out from not using it.
Thanks Nola. Ambient temperature here is between 70-78F, so I'm sure it will be fine. If all else fails, I do live in Canada, so I can stick it outside for a little while. ;)

I've never experienced issues eating jamon is Spain at temperatures even higher than that, so I just wanted to double-check.

Time to see if I can make some arrangements with my cheesemonger! I have a nice space in the den that could house a jamon on a stand ... (and using it isn't an issue).

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 2:24 am
by Peter Hirsch
I'm in. Ordered, it came yesterday, looks great. Will give it the taste test this weekend..

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 7:35 am
by Scott G r u n e r
Haven’t assembled yet but at first glance the quality of the stand set up seems pretty high.

To me a good sign as I typically expect flimsy in things like this.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 10:14 am
by Frank Z
Was looking into this when I discovered two different brands - Noel and Covap. Is there a difference between the two? Thanks!

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 1:16 pm
by Scott G r u n e r
The Bellota i got was covap. I thought the Noel was the brand of the $100 hams that started hitting the stores a while back. A different grade and based on a previous thread did not have the Nola stamp of approval.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=155524&hilit=Noel+jamon

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 2:27 pm
by Nola Palomar
Mine is Covap. https://www.covap.es/ Covap is a Co-op of local producers so...

It has my seal of approval. For an Ibérico Jamon it’s good. It would be interesting to know how long the hogs forage on acorns. I’ve only sliced into the “neck area”, saving the meatier parts for later. It’s not as “nutty“ as some other good Bellota Jamones that I’ve had. It is well-made and it is very good. It will be interesting to see if the flavor changes once I get into the real meaty part of the Jamon. Please don’t trim away all of the fat when you serve it. It’s part of the process and it is delicious too.
Noel is a massive producer.
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Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 4:27 pm
by Frank Z
Thanks Nola for the seal of approval. I will be stopping by tomorrow to my local Costco to pick one up in person since they told me they had 8!

Super excited for this. Last time I had Iberico was at Joel Robuchon in Vegas and couldn’t find any reasonably priced ones ever since! Thanks again!

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 9:00 pm
by Nola Palomar
It is a delicious Jamon. Has a mild sweetish nutty flavor throughout. The flesh is a deep crimson red. Even the fat is delicious. It is not a huge Jamon, the breed (Iberian hog) is bred for it’s flavor and higher fat content not the bulky weight.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 8:00 pm
by Frank Z
Picked one up today. Now I’m ready for the holidays! champagne.gif

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 11th, 2019, 9:05 am
by Scott G r u n e r
Been watching some videos on slicing these things- Found this one (while heavily branded by one company) to be fairly informative. If anyone has better (or preferred) resources, I am all ears..

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 11th, 2019, 12:33 pm
by scamhi
Scott G r u n e r wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 9:05 am
Found this one (while heavily branded by one company) to be fairly informative.
Joselito is by far the best branded Iberico ham in Spain.
Cutting takes a very sharp thin knife and skill

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm
by Michael Bowden
scamhi wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:33 pm
Scott G r u n e r wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 9:05 am
Found this one (while heavily branded by one company) to be fairly informative.
Joselito is by far the best branded Iberico ham in Spain.
Cutting takes a very sharp thin knife and skill
While joselito is good - I think that Cinco Jotas is better....

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 11th, 2019, 4:48 pm
by scamhi
Michael Bowden wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm
scamhi wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:33 pm
Scott G r u n e r wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 9:05 am
Found this one (while heavily branded by one company) to be fairly informative.
Joselito is by far the best branded Iberico ham in Spain.
Cutting takes a very sharp thin knife and skill
While joselito is good - I think that Cinco Jotas is better....
I respectfully disagree.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 11th, 2019, 6:49 pm
by Nola Palomar
There are different grades and each Jamon is an individual thing. I have had more Cinco Jotas in Spain, but they are both superb producers of Bellotas.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 12th, 2019, 4:49 am
by LMD Ermitaño
Joselito & 5J are both very good. I’d add the jamónes of Arturo Sánchez though.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 12th, 2019, 1:26 pm
by Betty C
I think my rankings, from best to worst, would be Eiriz, Montaraz, Joselito, Cinco Jotas, Arturo Sanchez, and Fermin. Haven't tried Covap yet.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 12th, 2019, 2:55 pm
by Nola Palomar
Idk, this one from Huelva sounds pretty interesting anyone want to go in together and get one?? 4100€ (in 2016)!!

https://elpais.com/elpais/2016/03/07/in ... 91303.html

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 14th, 2019, 6:07 pm
by Peter Panzica
I bit.....delivered today and set it up on the kitchen counter. Can't wait to see my wife's face tomorrow when she returns from her business trip.....think she's going to love it....hopefully will get get my share.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 14th, 2019, 8:02 pm
by alan weinberg
Peter Panzica wrote:
November 14th, 2019, 6:07 pm
I bit.....delivered today and set it up on the kitchen counter. Can't wait to see my wife's face tomorrow when she returns from her business trip.....think she's going to love it....hopefully will get get my share.
if she doesn’t beat you over the head with it. My wife would.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 15th, 2019, 10:26 am
by jordan whitehead
Iberico Club's jamons are covap as well

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 15th, 2019, 11:03 am
by brianmcbrearty
Did grab one of the last three from my local costco. Enjoyed the bemused looks. "$550, eh. That must be a helluva ham."
Will hold off unveiling till Thanksgiving I think. Excited. Grabbed the $99 version too so I can practice on it before hacking up the good one.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 7:47 am
by Jason Crawford
Did not see any left online and I doubt my local stores will have anything.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 8:35 am
by Jay $$ Winton
Barcelona is a wonderful place. Today we tried the Joselito and the 5J. Both were delicious 😋.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 10:33 am
by Chris S p i k e s
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:27 pm
Mine is Covap. https://www.covap.es/ Covap is a Co-op of local producers so...

It has my seal of approval. For an Ibérico Jamon it’s good. It would be interesting to know how long the hogs forage on acorns. I’ve only sliced into the “neck area”, saving the meatier parts for later. It’s not as “nutty“ as some other good Bellota Jamones that I’ve had. It is well-made and it is very good. It will be interesting to see if the flavor changes once I get into the real meaty part of the Jamon. Please don’t trim away all of the fat when you serve it. It’s part of the process and it is delicious too.
Noel is a massive producer.

7D9D5B27-CA30-4DE4-9404-1114CC3C563A.jpeg
Technical question: Do you use a heavier knife to trim the outer skin or the flexible jamon one?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 10:45 am
by Scott G r u n e r
Chris S p i k e s wrote:
November 17th, 2019, 10:33 am
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:27 pm
Mine is Covap. https://www.covap.es/ Covap is a Co-op of local producers so...

It has my seal of approval. For an Ibérico Jamon it’s good. It would be interesting to know how long the hogs forage on acorns. I’ve only sliced into the “neck area”, saving the meatier parts for later. It’s not as “nutty“ as some other good Bellota Jamones that I’ve had. It is well-made and it is very good. It will be interesting to see if the flavor changes once I get into the real meaty part of the Jamon. Please don’t trim away all of the fat when you serve it. It’s part of the process and it is delicious too.
Noel is a massive producer.

7D9D5B27-CA30-4DE4-9404-1114CC3C563A.jpeg
Technical question: Do you use a heavier knife to trim the outer skin or the flexible jamon one?
Heavier. If you watch the verious carving videos, most use 3 knives. A heavier, often serrated, knife to cut the skin off, a boning knife to cut the meat from the bone, and then the ham knife to cut slices.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 8:19 pm
by Nola Palomar
Normally heavy & serrated for the outer skin, yes. But, my Jamon is very moist and I have managed with just the Jamon Knife.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 6:02 am
by ehrlichdy
There was a big stack of the $100 ham at my local Costco in Wheaton, MD. Can anyone comment on the quality of that jamon?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 9:20 am
by Stan Y.
Betty C wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 1:26 pm
I think my rankings, from best to worst, would be Eiriz, Montaraz, Joselito, Cinco Jotas, Arturo Sanchez, and Fermin. Haven't tried Covap yet.
Wegmans has Fermin in the case at $99 a pound, which doesn't seem too bad for tasting quantities with no bone and the fat removed. Even though dead last, it was a very tasty first experience with this stuff. Wish I could try more.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 11:53 am
by Betty C
ehrlichdy wrote:
November 18th, 2019, 6:02 am
There was a big stack of the $100 ham at my local Costco in Wheaton, MD. Can anyone comment on the quality of that jamon?
Is it the Serrano? A buddy of mine got that and brought some to a party. It was quite tasty and I don't think you could go wrong at that price. The knife rusted right away though.
Stan Y. wrote:
November 18th, 2019, 9:20 am
Betty C wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 1:26 pm
I think my rankings, from best to worst, would be Eiriz, Montaraz, Joselito, Cinco Jotas, Arturo Sanchez, and Fermin. Haven't tried Covap yet.
Wegmans has Fermin in the case at $99 a pound, which doesn't seem too bad for tasting quantities with no bone and the fat removed. Even though dead last, it was a very tasty first experience with this stuff. Wish I could try more.
Have you tried any bone-in jamon previously or since?

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 12:08 pm
by Kris Patten
ehrlichdy wrote:
November 18th, 2019, 6:02 am
There was a big stack of the $100 ham at my local Costco in Wheaton, MD. Can anyone comment on the quality of that jamon?
Saw that too, it was Serrano.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: November 24th, 2019, 9:05 am
by Ken Strauss
Costco in Davie,Fl. had a few $550 Belota’s.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 4:40 am
by Peter Hirsch
Had the CostCo Jamon Belota Iberico over Thanksgiving and the weekend. I though it was quite good and a hell of a value.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 9:23 am
by Stan Y.
Has anyone done business with https://hamlovers.com? Several things there are in the same price range and less, and since I generally avoid nitrate/nitrite cured meats I'm intrigued by the Montaraz there which is just pig and sea salt (and for which Betty gives an apparent thumbs-up :-)).

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 12:05 pm
by Nola Palomar
Stan Y. wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 9:23 am
Has anyone done business with https://hamlovers.com? Several things there are in the same price range and less, and since I generally avoid nitrate/nitrite cured meats I'm intrigued by the Montaraz there which is just pig and sea salt (and for which Betty gives an apparent thumbs-up :-)).
I have not had the jamon from Montaraz, but I did import a few nitrate/nitrite free Jamones from Seron. The flesh is a bit paler but the flavor is not any different. They are prone to get a little mold a bit faster than the ones cured with nitrates/nitrites. That does not mean the jamon is bad, just wipe it off or you can rinse it off and dry with paper towels. Then once dry add a fresh layer of lard.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 12:08 pm
by mattccheung
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 6:46 pm
A long time. If they get moldy, excellent!! Seriously, that’s how they’re cured. I throw mine in the sink and rinse it with cool water. Wipe off and pat dry w paper towels and lather it with a coating of lard. Dryness and not enjoying it are the worst enemy to a jamon. The holidays are coming up and this is a great tapa as well as and excellent cover dish to share!! Crazy, they must to have gotten them in before the tariff started!
Nola, do you cover your jamon while it's out in room temp? Currently I have mine gently wrapped in clear wrap sitting on the counter. Thanks.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 12:16 pm
by Nola Palomar
mattccheung wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 12:08 pm
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 6:46 pm
A long time. If they get moldy, excellent!! Seriously, that’s how they’re cured. I throw mine in the sink and rinse it with cool water. Wipe off and pat dry w paper towels and lather it with a coating of lard. Dryness and not enjoying it are the worst enemy to a jamon. The holidays are coming up and this is a great tapa as well as and excellent cover dish to share!! Crazy, they must to have gotten them in before the tariff started!
Nola, do you cover your jamon while it's out in room temp? Currently I have mine gently wrapped in clear wrap sitting on the counter. Thanks.
I do, I use the fat from the top to cover the meat, and then I put some plastic wrap over that (but that will cause it to mold). then I have the black cloth bag laid over that. Mold is a Jamon's friend. While they age they get a nice thick layer, and then they are rinsed coated with lard and packaged. Occasionally, I have found a jamon I am ready to ship that is covered with mold. I generally hold it back and save it for myself. I am making a big deal out of the mold because it is what helps the jamon to age. I just don't want anyone to think there is a problem with it.

Re: Costco $550 Belota Iberico

Posted: December 4th, 2019, 1:09 pm
by Betty C
Stan Y. wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 9:23 am
Has anyone done business with https://hamlovers.com? Several things there are in the same price range and less, and since I generally avoid nitrate/nitrite cured meats I'm intrigued by the Montaraz there which is just pig and sea salt (and for which Betty gives an apparent thumbs-up :-)).
I've ordered from them before and had a good experience. I end up ordering from Tienda.com more because they have coupons often.