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#1 Post by Tom Chen » July 8th, 2019, 10:16 am

My wife and I are going to Paris for a Seine river cruise in September and will have a day in Paris beforehand.

She really wants to try a 3-star restaurant, and we thought a lunch option would be best (as we don't land in Paris until late afternoon and may be too wiped out for a big meal).

We will be staying at the Sofitel Paris le Faubourg if that makes any difference.

I did see the Eating and Drinking in Paris postings, but figured it may be easier to get recs on this specific question.

She is a fan of atmosphere/setting and prefer a pre-fixe menu.

Other than that, no real preferences, but I will be doing a wine pairing and my wife not.

Thanks much.

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#2 Post by Barry L i p t o n » July 8th, 2019, 10:20 am

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#3 Post by Jim Friedman » July 8th, 2019, 11:34 am

Le Cinq was great for lunch last August. It has great atmosphere and setting. They were happy to substitute when my wife knew she wouldn't like one of the courses.
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#4 Post by M Kelly » July 8th, 2019, 12:10 pm

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#5 Post by Mark Y » July 8th, 2019, 12:17 pm

Arpege is great. Tho I had dinner not lunch.
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#6 Post by Tom Chen » July 8th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Thanks for the recs so far.

Unfortunately, Aprege is not open for lunch on Saturdays, which I probably should have mentioned is the only day we can do this.

I guess I just assumed they were all open for lunch on Saturdays.

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#7 Post by Jay Miller » July 8th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Arpege was my first thought as well. I've only ever had lunch there and have never been disappointed.
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#8 Post by Robert Dentice » July 8th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Honestly it seems you want the 3 star experience so just pick one that looks appealing. The 3 star experience is relatively the same in Paris. You have 9 to chose from. I personally like Pierre Gagnaire.

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#9 Post by Andrew S. » July 8th, 2019, 8:08 pm

I personally like Pierre Gagnaire as well. Le Cinq is excellent also. Arpege is outstanding and very specific. I think all 3 stars that are great take many visits to really appreciate - maybe because the expectations are so rightfully high and the food is so thought out it takes a while to think with it. Unfortunately David Toutain does not open for lunch, because in my opinion that's 3 star dining without the corset. Just spectacular.

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#10 Post by WvanGorp » July 9th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Personally I prefer Epicure at the Bristol or Le Cinq.
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#11 Post by Tom Chen » July 9th, 2019, 3:36 pm

Thanks all for the recs.

Turns out we didn't have too many options for a lunch on a Saturday, only Le Cinq, Epicure, L'Ambroisie, or Le Pre Catelan.

Ended up making a reservation at Le Cinq, but may change that.

Looked like a very interesting tasting menu and read good reviews about their wine pairings, plus a nice and not too long walk from our hotel, whereas L'Ambroisie and Le Pre Catalan look like driving is needed.

Really looking forward to the lunch. Only other three star we've dined at is EMP, which we really liked, but did not love.

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#12 Post by Michael Bowden » July 9th, 2019, 3:55 pm

I had a lovely lunch at Le Pre Catelan two or so years ago and I'd go back. It's a beautiful room that delivers that 3* opulence type of vibe - solid wine list and lovely staff.

Went to L'Ambrosie earlier this year for lunch and while I enjoyed it, it's all a la carte, $, big portions (you get what you paid for, I didn't feel ripped off or anything like that) but I preferred the food and wine list at Pre Catelan (and Le Cinq over L' Ambroise and Arpege for that matter).

Also, a ride through Bois de Boulogne might be worth the admission all on its own. There is also the Louis Vuitton Foundation within the park that could be worth a visit depending on what is on exhibit.

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#13 Post by Jim Friedman » July 9th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Tom:

Le Cinq rocks.We had a wonderful Ravenau Chablis at a decent price. The hotel and flowers are memorable. The dining room feels comfortable even with some of the usual 3 star pomp and circumstance. I would do it again when we get back to Paris.
It was the only 3 star lunch that was open last August.

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#14 Post by Mark Y » July 9th, 2019, 4:31 pm

Andrew S. wrote:
July 8th, 2019, 8:08 pm
Unfortunately David Toutain does not open for lunch, because in my opinion that's 3 star dining without the corset. Just spectacular.
I think they are open for lunch, but not on a Sat that the OP needed..
Although when i had it, i thought they were solidly 1 star for France standards.. between it, and L'astrance, or Arpege, or even passage 53, there's a pretty significant gap..
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#15 Post by M Kelly » July 9th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Epicure is fantastic. The wine list has some nicely priced gems if you look hard enough.
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#16 Post by alan weinberg » July 9th, 2019, 7:54 pm

M Kelly wrote:
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Epicure is fantastic. The wine list has some nicely priced gems if you look hard enough.
+1. And they are so friendly and warm there. Loved it.

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#17 Post by Philip Ente » July 10th, 2019, 4:03 pm

WvanGorp wrote:
July 9th, 2019, 3:18 pm
Personally I prefer Epicure at the Bristol or Le Cinq.
Wilfred is right for once. I am cynical of hotel restaurants but this is probably the best lunch experience in town. Great environment and excellent cuisine.

Arpege is not for everyone- have to understand Passard's philosophy. Someone here said that got tired
of all the beet dishes- he obviously didn't get it.

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#18 Post by c fu » July 10th, 2019, 4:13 pm

Philip Ente wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 4:03 pm
WvanGorp wrote:
July 9th, 2019, 3:18 pm
Personally I prefer Epicure at the Bristol or Le Cinq.
Wilfred is right for once. I am cynical of hotel restaurants but this is probably the best lunch experience in town. Great environment and excellent cuisine.

Arpege is not for everyone- have to understand Passard's philosophy. Someone here said that got tired
of all the beet dishes- he obviously didn't get it.
I got it. I just didn't want to eat 5-6 beet dishes. It was uninteresting and repetitive.

Heaven forbid someone have an opinion when you weren't eating the same meal I was.
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#19 Post by Philip Ente » July 11th, 2019, 8:06 am

c fu wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 4:13 pm
Philip Ente wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 4:03 pm
WvanGorp wrote:
July 9th, 2019, 3:18 pm
Personally I prefer Epicure at the Bristol or Le Cinq.
Wilfred is right for once. I am cynical of hotel restaurants but this is probably the best lunch experience in town. Great environment and excellent cuisine.

Arpege is not for everyone- have to understand Passard's philosophy. Someone here said that got tired
of all the beet dishes- he obviously didn't get it.
I got it. I just didn't want to eat 5-6 beet dishes. It was uninteresting and repetitive.

Heaven forbid someone have an opinion when you weren't eating the same meal I was.
I didn't even remember who made this comment so I don't think there is a reason to get defensive.

As I said, Passard is not for everyone. Someone upstream in this topic kind of made the same observation.
I didn't get it at first either until I got to know him and understand his approach and philosophy.

Someone mentioned L'Ambrosie. Not sure that's a good place for lunch. Most people enjoy a beautiful day time view and this is a pretty dark, somber place. L'Epicure and Pre Catelin are probably the best for that. You also got this place for an offbeat warm weather lunch but it is clearly not three stars. You have to get there by boat.

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#20 Post by George Hejna » July 11th, 2019, 9:45 am

I ate at Pre Catelan with Michael. It was amazing. It was better than Arpege. That being said I would probably choose Guy Savoy.

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#21 Post by Phil Smith » July 11th, 2019, 9:55 am

I suppose if I were prioritizing setting then one of the palace hotels is what I would pick. Le Cinq is a great choice, I haven't been to Epicure or Ducasse's Paris location but I imagine either would meet your needs (Ducasse Monaco was one of my favorite lunches ever, London a good notch behind). The setting at Ledoyen is also fantastic.

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#22 Post by M.Kaplan » July 11th, 2019, 11:50 am

For lunch setting, I'd choose Le Pre Catelan. For food, probably Gagnaire.

Personally, I'd arrive in Paris a day earlier and have Friday dinner at Arpege.
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#23 Post by Philip Ente » July 11th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Interesting that so many people are voting for Arpege. As we see from this topic some people are not crazy about it . It's kind of an acquired taste and from a basic organoleptic level, most of the other restaurants mentioned are superior.

Passard is one of the most remarkable chefs I ever known. The Andy Goldsworthy of cuisine.


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#24 Post by Andrew S. » July 11th, 2019, 5:35 pm

Mark Y wrote:
July 9th, 2019, 4:31 pm
Andrew S. wrote:
July 8th, 2019, 8:08 pm
Unfortunately David Toutain does not open for lunch, because in my opinion that's 3 star dining without the corset. Just spectacular.
I think they are open for lunch, but not on a Sat that the OP needed..
Although when i had it, i thought they were solidly 1 star for France standards.. between it, and L'astrance, or Arpege, or even passage 53, there's a pretty significant gap..
That's why the world is so great, we all have different tastes and creativities which makes it fresh every moment. I believe David Toutain is now a two star, and deserves every bit of it. I love Passage 53. Guillaume is a fantastic guy. He made sure my son ate every dish of the tasting menu the first time we went, when he was 8, and taught him to enjoy a meal like a true French person. IMHO they are both fantastic places and the only gap is in what they are each trying to achieve.

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#25 Post by Jerry Hey » July 12th, 2019, 7:32 am

WvanGorp wrote:
July 9th, 2019, 3:18 pm
Personally I prefer Epicure at the Bristol or Le Cinq.
+1 and also Ledoyen

le Grand Vefour was great last year although it is a two star but has incredible history and is a beautiful restaurant.

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#26 Post by Laurent Gibet » July 12th, 2019, 7:34 am

Try l'Astrance (Pascal Barbot)
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#27 Post by Michael Bowden » July 12th, 2019, 7:46 am

Laurent Gibet wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 7:34 am
Try l'Astrance (Pascal Barbot)
Should be noted that this is a 2* - They lost their 3rd star last year

Only reason I mention this is because OP was asking for a 3 star
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#28 Post by Laurent Gibet » July 12th, 2019, 7:54 am

Michael Bowden wrote:
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Laurent Gibet wrote:
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Try l'Astrance (Pascal Barbot)
Should be noted that this is a 2* - They lost their 3rd star last year

Only reason I mention this is because OP was asking for a 3 star
Oups, 2 stars today (I missed that).
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#29 Post by Barry L i p t o n » July 12th, 2019, 10:19 am

Yes, tastes vary and individual experiences vary.

Only at Arpege once but had no repetition.

Only at David Toutain once but although it started well, it was a spectacular fail, both service an an absolutely inedible main (twigs, I kid you not).

At Passage 53 twice, amazed the first time, felt like they were going through the motions the second, and when asked if there is anything I don’t like, they served it anyway.

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#30 Post by M.Kaplan » July 13th, 2019, 1:05 pm

Passage 53 is now La Table du 53. More casual than the restaurant was, chef is the former Passage 53 sous chef. Restaurant Passage 53 is going to reopen in a new location.

I think Passard/Arpege went through a down period a couple of years ago. For whatever reason, he seems re-energized and has been experimenting more with animal proteins. Our last two dinners there were excellent. I’m looking forward to returning in Sept.

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#31 Post by c fu » July 13th, 2019, 9:56 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:
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Passage 53 is now La Table du 53. More casual than the restaurant was, chef is the former Passage 53 sous chef. Restaurant Passage 53 is going to reopen in a new location.

I think Passard/Arpege went through a down period a couple of years ago. For whatever reason, he seems re-energized and has been experimenting more with animal proteins. Our last two dinners there were excellent. I’m looking forward to returning in Sept.

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#32 Post by Philip Ente » July 14th, 2019, 10:55 am

Not sure what your concerns are here .

If it's the visual appearance of this plate,I don't think French would mind. French will eat an unadorned veal head served on a plate with no problem.

Alan Passard stopped serving meat due to concerns over the bovine variant of Creutzfield Jacob Disease, which was a small epidemic of a lethal disorder going on at that time. I explained to him that the risk was essentially eliminated but as per material in the interview I posted above, he told me he has discovered new realms about himself and cuisine in vegetable cuisine and sees no reason to serve beef.
He has reintroduced non-beef products and is actually a brilliant griller and the finest chicken and lobster I've ever had my life was at his restaurant

He has basically created a personal religion out of the concept of farm to table.

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#33 Post by M.Kaplan » July 14th, 2019, 11:24 am

Philip,
Agree that Passard is a brilliant roaster. He has served beef again for several years.
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I think my post wasn’t clear. While I’m not wild about the plating of the grenoilles, I would eat them in a heartbeat and hope they are on the menu when I’m there in Sept. I shared Passard’s Instagram photo of the grenoilles from yesterday as an example of his renewed experimentation.

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#34 Post by Philip Ente » July 14th, 2019, 11:47 am

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Philip,
Agree that Passard is a brilliant roaster. He has served beef again for several years.

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I think my post wasn’t clear. While I’m not wild about the plating of the grenoilles, I would eat them in a heartbeat and hope they are on the menu when I’m there in Sept. I shared Passard’s Instagram photo of the grenoilles from yesterday as an example of his renewed experimentation.

Arpege may not be for everyone, but it sure is for me.

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My post was in response to M. Fu, not you
Are you sure that picture isn't a joke? Doesn't even look like a piece of beef.
The conversation I cited above with Alan Passard took place two years ago but I still didn't see any beef on the menu two months ago.

Are you sure about this beef thing?
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#35 Post by Jeremy Holmes » July 15th, 2019, 11:23 pm

Philip, he served veal two month's ago when we were there.
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#36 Post by Philip Ente » July 16th, 2019, 6:48 am

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Philip, he served veal two month's ago when we were there.
Yes, he has returned to non vegetable products but not sure how much beef is going on. I was told the photo of beef above, was from a special dinner.

As I said, Passard is a brilliant griller (rotisseur) . The chicken and lobster were remarkable and accompanied with sauces that did not distract from his kitchen work on these two animal products.

I worked in Maison Troisgros many years ago and helped grill lobster there but it never came out at Passard's level. No idea how he does it but the days of "tourists" like me spending a few weeks in a great kitchen are over.

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#37 Post by Dave McCloskey » July 22nd, 2019, 2:11 pm

Nobody mentioned L'Atelier de Joël Robuchon and I can understand why. I was very disappointed in my experience, because I had an epic experience at their London establishment.

As someone who grew up in Europe and spent a lot of time in Paris I don't like to be pegged as a dumb tourist and certainly don't appreciate being stuffed into the "American" room - nothing against my countrymen. If you've traveled to Europe you know what I'm talking about. Adding insult to the experience L'Atelier thought it would be a good idea to give virtually no training to a waitress that was assigned to our table. She couldn't answer any questions about the menu, had no clue about wine and was totally incompetent. The food was quite good, but by then I'd been so turned off it overshadowed the Chef's effort.

Les 110 de Taillevent for lunch was a much better experience. Plus it's right across from a wine bar!

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#38 Post by George Hejna » July 22nd, 2019, 2:22 pm

Had a stunning lunch at L'Atelier a few years ago. Sat at the counter/bar with 2 "youngish" kids. Service was top notch. Did you sit at a table?

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#39 Post by Michael Bowden » July 22nd, 2019, 2:28 pm

Dave McCloskey wrote:
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Nobody mentioned L'Atelier de Joël Robuchon and I can understand why. I was very disappointed in my experience, because I had an epic experience at their London establishment.

As someone who grew up in Europe and spent a lot of time in Paris I don't like to be pegged as a dumb tourist and certainly don't appreciate being stuffed into the "American" room - nothing against my countrymen. If you've traveled to Europe you know what I'm talking about. Adding insult to the experience L'Atelier thought it would be a good idea to give virtually no training to a waitress that was assigned to our table. She couldn't answer any questions about the menu, had no clue about wine and was totally incompetent. The food was quite good, but by then I'd been so turned off it overshadowed the Chef's effort.

Les 110 de Taillevent for lunch was a much better experience. Plus it's right across from a wine bar!
Well, the OP was asking for 3* and Robuchon is a 2* so that's most likely why nobody mentioned it.
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